ZOS can we please just take a breath and look at game issues instead of new content?

VinayExile

Take a breath and fix the bugs posted every week, gamebreaking bugs wich im not going to name all since gina replied you have a list of them.
server preformance issues, wich are currently out of hand, cyrodill, trials and dungeons unplayable from 7-11 prime time EU.

Why dont you just take the coming year ( 2019 ) to give every customer what they want? a working game?
Instead of pumping out a new chapter Elsewhyr with more and more patches that youve announced in the elsehwyr announcement, that bring new content ( with also more new bugs and preformance issues ).

Just stop the new contect pump and fix what we already have? or at least focus more on the fixing instead of focussing on pumping out more and more broken content?

Im pretty mad when i play the game of how bad it actually is, since ive spent so much money and time into it.

AlienatedGoat

ZOS does bug fixes in every major update. They happen concurrently with the release of new content. You could argue that there needs to be more bug fixes, but they do fix things in every patch.

We also need new content to retain players. Many people would get bored and leave if there wasn't anything new for months and months.

logarifmik

A "facelift" update of the base game content should also become a thing one day, right?

KhajiitFelix

Balance is a much bigger problem imo.

Lyserus

People like you....*signs

99% This is a pvper who think pvp optimization can magically happen when content designers like model/animation/quest/zone designers stop working, do you realize ZOS employees have, you know, division of labor?

It may surprise you but not every working place have such low job difficulties that everyone can do everyone else's job like fast food restaurant

theyancey

This again? It is just as ignorant and unworkable suggestion now as it was with the previous umpteen posts about it. Firing the creative staff who design new content does absolutely zilch for hardware/software fixes, whether server or client side.

GarnetFire17

even if they did "look"at the issues "harder" they wouldn't get solved any faster. So they might as well give us new content.

me_ming

It's kinda funny before Imperial City DLC, everyone wanted ZOS to make more content for the game. To be fair, it took ZOS 2-3 years? Just to make 1 DLC. lol. And now people are asking them to stop making content. As sad as it is now, I've learned to accept the fact that games these days will never be free of bugs and glitches.

To some point I will agree with OP though. As a returning player, all these "new" content is a little overwhelming for me. I haven't even done most of the new dungeons, which is really sad. And I have like 12 characters, 8 of them are still under 50. So yeah, I think it would benefit me if ZoS takes a break from making new content and let new and returning players catch up a bit. Just maybe a breathing room for a while, and yes, focus on the fixes rather than the changes and new content.

VinayExile

Lyserus wrote: »

People like you....*signs

99% This is a pvper who think pvp optimization can magically happen when content designers like model/animation/quest/zone designers stop working, do you realize ZOS employees have, you know, division of labor?

It may surprise you but not every working place have such low job difficulties that everyone can do everyone else's job like fast food restaurant

a pvp player? what does that matter, if i go into a trial or a dungeon you will get 300ms too.
dont sigh me the state is terrible look and read about it on the forums before you spit trash.

Jaraal

What good is new content when the lag gets worse, disconnects more frequent, and loading screens longer? Add to that the fact that with each new expansion comes more player and skill nerfs, more slowing down of players and more homogenization of skill sets so there's no way to separate one's self from the others, less distinction of classes, etc. It's just a downward spiral with no end in sight. But yay, dragons and necromancers!

zaria

Lyserus wrote: »

People like you....*signs

99% This is a pvper who think pvp optimization can magically happen when content designers like model/animation/quest/zone designers stop working, do you realize ZOS employees have, you know, division of labor?

It may surprise you but not every working place have such low job difficulties that everyone can do everyone else's job like fast food restaurant

This, note that it does not say they should not focus on server and performance issues.
They has an huge effect on gameplay, especially during events, and who would not want Cyrodil back at launch (yes people who hate zergs)

However this require skilled coders who are good at client - server performance.
They are rarer than good tanks and +40k dps players in pugs.

Content give income who can pay for them.

russelmmendoza

But 2019 is the season of the dragons, wyverns actually.
In all seriousness, zos is trying hard to fix the performance issues.
They dont just give us minute by minute update on it.
They said they see the problems but dont want to do a band aid fix.
Their preparing for a major surgery, so their diagnosing/observing the patient very deligently to make that major surgery a success.
But this is just my point of view.

Girl_Number8

VinayExile wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

People like you....*signs

99% This is a pvper who think pvp optimization can magically happen when content designers like model/animation/quest/zone designers stop working, do you realize ZOS employees have, you know, division of labor?

It may surprise you but not every working place have such low job difficulties that everyone can do everyone else's job like fast food restaurant

a pvp player? what does that matter, if i go into a trial or a dungeon you will get 300ms too.
dont sigh me the state is terrible look and read about it on the forums before you spit trash.

They are most likely understaffed and overworked, playing other games.

Rukzadlithau

No, because a business model like this has an estimated run time, and as employees they‘re obliged to generate as much revenue during this period as possible. Aberrations are unnecessary, as long as their current is lucrative enough. It‘s just astonishing, that some people really believe the devs have any passion for this game and some evil „suit“ is the reason they can‘t even get simple QOL changes done. Sure, maybe this isn‘t in their work schedule, as it is tight knit to pump out all the cash grab content - but it‘s still their own choice. Believe in common sense: No business owner would ever deny any employee to put in extra effort to improve the product. Most people on this forum simply prefer to demonize an unidentified higher up, because it is cooler to sympathize with some people that display manchild profanity on live streams that represent this company.

The entity that hired the staff wants profit, wether they achieve it by Quality or by Quantity is entierly up to them. One thrives without the other, you have at hand which path they chose.

Bouldercleave

Content creation and bug fixes are two different departments.

You don't need to eliminate one to work on the other.

zaria

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

VinayExile wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

People like you....*signs

99% This is a pvper who think pvp optimization can magically happen when content designers like model/animation/quest/zone designers stop working, do you realize ZOS employees have, you know, division of labor?

It may surprise you but not every working place have such low job difficulties that everyone can do everyone else's job like fast food restaurant

a pvp player? what does that matter, if i go into a trial or a dungeon you will get 300ms too.
dont sigh me the state is terrible look and read about it on the forums before you spit trash.

They are most likely understaffed and overworked, playing other games.

You can outgear problems
here is an hint.
https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/7U/7089/SYS-7089P-TR4T.cfm

Ertosi

What new content? Yeah, they're adding a little bit, but nowhere near as much new content as previous years. Elsweyr is just a new zone, dragons are just a new boss. Where are the new major game systems like Player Housing of 2017 or Outfitting of 2018? Where are the new types of crafting?

With this minimal amount of new content coming this year, they have more than enough time to work on performance and optimization.

Diminish

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Balance is a much bigger problem imo.

You're right, as long as the game is balanced who cares if major aspects of the game are extremely broken.

/s

Shantu

Balance is like making soup in the toilet. No matter how you mix it up, it comes out tasting like crap.

ESO is a numbers game. As long as the profit margins are acceptable, nothing will fundamentally change. No matter how much the game performance sucks, ZOS makes more money from people buying stupid pixel pets, costumes, and trinkets than they'll ever make from PVP or end game players who actually care about performance. Thus the effort to create evermore content rather than fix stuff.

eso_lags

russelmmendoza wrote: »

But 2019 is the season of the dragons, wyverns actually.
In all seriousness, zos is trying hard to fix the performance issues.
They dont just give us minute by minute update on it.
They said they see the problems but dont want to do a band aid fix.
Their preparing for a major surgery, so their diagnosing/observing the patient very deligently to make that major surgery a success.
But this is just my point of view.

A minute by minute update? Wow... Try 1-2 updates a year about over all game performance, and thats if they're feeling kind.

DaveMoeDee

There is always going to be a disconnect in topics like this because we are on different platforms and locations. As far as I experience, game performance is fine but we are light on content.

eso_lags

Its such a shame that every thread like this gets filled with certain types of people who arent impacted by this issue. Its also sad that so many people just forget that console exists and has these issues but even worse.

I always see people trying to give advice about ISP's and PC specs in similar threads, but what about console? What should we do? Upgrade internet? Check. Upgrade to the newest console? Check. Put the game on an external ssd? Check. Upgrade internet gear? Check. Open ports? Check. Troubleshoot and use every tip, tool, and trick possible to reduce lag and fix performance? Check.

But the game still doesn't work for so many of us on all platforms. How many performance threads need to come up every day before they take it serious? I dont know. The answer isn't to stop barfing out content, because the game needs to stay alive. But maybe the answer is to focus a bit more on solving performance. And maybe offer some better communication.

Sure it effects cyrodil and competitive players more, but anyone should be able to call a spade a spade. If the problem was reversed I would be able to say "hey there are countless threads coming up every day about X issue, maybe there is a serious problem here".. I dont understand why people are so quick to dismiss this problem when some of us have been talking about it for years. And here we are in murkmire, 2019, and its the worst I've ever seen.

I would love to see the devs, or anyone who thinks this is BS, to come play in vivec on xbox for a few nights and tell me if you have fun. Tell me if it feels rewarding to have the game itself fight you.

Cążki

I agree ! They should stop.making everything, go take a cold shower and then repair all major bugs.

Hello, all serious bug dissatisfaction here, if you interested to be active read and write: here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459667/d-u-n-g-e-o-n-f-i-n-d-e-r-d-e-f-e-c-t-i-v-e-mega-thread-before-buy-elswyer-come-and-write/p1

And also choose your side on this poll very important:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459831/pc-eu-quality-of-game-poll-only-for-eu-players/p1

rabid64

dont disrespect the necromancer ever again like that

Reistr_the_Unbroken

Cążki wrote: »

I agree ! They should stop.making everything, go take a cold shower and then repair all major bugs.

Hello, all serious bug dissatisfaction here, if you interested to be active read and write: here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459667/d-u-n-g-e-o-n-f-i-n-d-e-r-d-e-f-e-c-t-i-v-e-mega-thread-before-buy-elswyer-come-and-write/p1

And also choose your side on this poll very important:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459831/pc-eu-quality-of-game-poll-only-for-eu-players/p1

Stop derailing threads

Vapirko

What we need is a regular round of bug fixes. Once a month. This should take care of clearly broken mechanics like enchants procing of WW incorrectly, and also bugs from around the zones.

Waynerx8

VinayExile wrote: »

Take a breath and fix the bugs posted every week, gamebreaking bugs wich im not going to name all since gina replied you have a list of them.
server preformance issues, wich are currently out of hand, cyrodill, trials and dungeons unplayable from 7-11 prime time EU.

Why dont you just take the coming year ( 2019 ) to give every customer what they want? a working game?
Instead of pumping out a new chapter Elsewhyr with more and more patches that youve announced in the elsehwyr announcement, that bring new content ( with also more new bugs and preformance issues ).

Just stop the new contect pump and fix what we already have? or at least focus more on the fixing instead of focussing on pumping out more and more broken content?

Im pretty mad when i play the game of how bad it actually is, since ive spent so much money and time into it.

Haaaahaaaaaahaaa no profit in that for ZOS, sorry not laughing at you, I agree but wont happen.

amir412

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

Balance is a much bigger problem imo.

How can you worry about balance, when the game isnt even playable?

Haashhtaag

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

ZOS does bug fixes in every major update. They happen concurrently with the release of new content. You could argue that there needs to be more bug fixes, but they do fix things in every patch.

We also need new content to retain players. Many people would get bored and leave if there wasn't anything new for months and months.

Correcting an article of clothing or a misspelling of something isn’t s big fix. There have been bugs that’s have existed for months and years yet go unfixed.

zaria

Ertosi wrote: »

What new content? Yeah, they're adding a little bit, but nowhere near as much new content as previous years. Elsweyr is just a new zone, dragons are just a new boss. Where are the new major game systems like Player Housing of 2017 or Outfitting of 2018? Where are the new types of crafting?

With this minimal amount of new content coming this year, they have more than enough time to work on performance and optimization.

This, add that very little of the new stuff involves core mechanics, its all art. Even the skevatron mechanic in the new dungeon is reused from CWC.
This might be because they focus on performance.

Also they can not use 3d designers to code the client and server code here so should ZoS fire them as they can only play test for half a year.

Haashhtaag

In the end 90% of this games population just runs around pretending this is Skyrim so they rarely run into the bugs a lot of the 10% who die end game content and etc at high levels run into.

But hey them crown store bugs are fixed ASAP!