A poll for people who pug tank daily pledges, in regards to crowd control.

Sheezabeast

When you pug tank the daily pledges, do you provide crowd control for the mobs to assist your team?

Mintaka5

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

Do your *** job. 'nuff said.

Shalktonin

No, even though I could, I have no room on my bars to offer this group utility.

Mintaka5 wrote: »

Do your *** job. 'nuff said.

make me

Shawn_PT

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

Always nice to hear 'awesome tank' after a run where all I did was do my job.

Suddwrath

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

I believe tanks have the responsibility to provide crowd control the same way that it is the healer's responsibility to provide resources.

While it is not the "main" responsibility, it is still one of them nonetheless.

Sheezabeast

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

SaltySudd wrote: »

I believe tanks have the responsibility to provide crowd control the same way that it is the healer's responsibility to provide resources.

While it is not the "main" responsibility, it is still one of them nonetheless.

I completely agree! I like to pug tank on lowbies, I have an Imperial Stamplar baby with Silver Leash, and a baby Stam Warden with Silver Leash, even at lvl 30 it makes runs go so much smoother! I main a PVE Healer and I use shards, orbs, and Ele Drain. Providing these things are important.

firedrgn

Yes, I use Chains/Silver Leash/Talons/Time Stop/Frost Wall or other skills to help speed up things, it's my choice.

Most mobs will die before u can cc and silver leash them all. So ya its part of tanking , but half the time you dont need to . The other half ya dps needs help. It does take the pressure off of low dps.

Ogou

Yes, I use Chains/Silver Leash/Talons/Time Stop/Frost Wall or other skills to help speed up things, it's my choice.

I got the feeling a lot of these answers are not gonna be from tanks.

Sheezabeast

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

firedrgn wrote: »

Most mobs will die before u can cc and silver leash them all. So ya its part of tanking , but half the time you dont need to . The other half ya dps needs help. It does take the pressure off of low dps.

Some dungeons have layouts that make no crowd control real aggravating. Darkshade Caverns 1 is one of these, so many people wipe to the big mob pull, it's hard on healers with baddies on them and dps dying left and right. Any help, like Swarm Mothers even, helps there.

Loves_guars

Yes, I use Chains/Silver Leash/Talons/Time Stop/Frost Wall or other skills to help speed up things, it's my choice.

I do it, but if I'm on other role I won't get mad if my tank doesn't do it. So I guess I don't consider it mandatory, more like something to be grateful, like templar's shards.

Ogou wrote: »

I got the feeling a lot of these answers are not gonna be from tanks.

And also have this feeling that many of these are also those lovely pugs that think that is their job to run ahead of tank pulling everything they see.

linoge63

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

Shawn_PT wrote: »

Always nice to hear 'awesome tank' after a run where all I did was do my job.

Yeah for sure, and I have communicated that and then the healer and other DPS personalizes this as a slight.

So now, I just say thx all.

At the end of the day 99% of the time everyone does their best with what they have and currently can do.

DeadlyRecluse

Yes, I use Chains/Silver Leash/Talons/Time Stop/Frost Wall or other skills to help speed up things, it's my choice.

Kind of? If I'm pugging, I go in with the mindset that I'm going to have to carry. Everything gets taunted, and I CC things that I need to CC to solo the fights.

If the group is competent, I quickly swap to a more buff/debuff style that is what people associate with ESO tanking. Generally, this does mean CCing some mobs (though as a templar tank I tend to focus more on taunt management rather than CC, as my only AOE CC is pretty much time stop and I think I have the channeled/healcut morph). I'm only going to bother with silver leash in a pug on fights where it's important rather than just convenient, tbh.

Sheezabeast

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

Loves_guars wrote: »

I do it, but if I'm on other role I won't get mad if my tank doesn't do it. So I guess I don't consider it mandatory, more like something to be grateful, like templar's shards.

Ogou wrote: »

I got the feeling a lot of these answers are not gonna be from tanks.

And also have this feeling that many of these are also those lovely pugs that think that is their job to run ahead of tank pulling everything they see.

Those types of dps speedsters that go head first into mobs are the reason Earth Gore is so clutch in PVE.

Malthazar

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

it's common sense, since tank is the one who goes first, it's our job to do all we can to make dps/healers' jobs easier

zaria

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

Note that healer and even DD can help here, however this require some coordination != pug
And CC is expensive, it can not hold for a long time.
So dps has to be good enough to burn the trash.

max_only

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

I knew I should have leveled my templar tank before my dk tank. Now with the time stop nerf it’s going to be a bad time in el queue-o

Mr_Walker

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

I do my best.

GallantGuardian

No, I'm a class without crowd control and I don't mess with it. The dps will get the mobs down eventually.

I only chose this option cause after pts time stop will be too expensive to bother with

I’m a Templar tank and it is the only option I have to really get anything like talons

So I’ll only be grabbing the large adds and bosses and the rest will be up to the do’s

Thanks pvp

Mr_Walker

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

GallantGuardian wrote: »

I only chose this option cause after pts time stop will be too expensive to bother with

I’m a Templar tank and it is the only option I have to really get anything like talons

So I’ll only be grabbing the large adds and bosses and the rest will be up to the do’s

Thanks pvp

I use caltrops as a "soft" CC, it gets their attention for 5 seconds or so.

BejaProphet

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

Nothing to say beyond my vote. But I find the poll interesting soooo....

BUMP!

Taleof2Cities

Other: What is your reason for pug tanking and offering no crowd control? Feel free to discuss why or why not.

If you have a specific checklist for the tank in your group, @Sheezabeast, you don’t use the dungeon finder. Period.

Find a guildie or friend that meets the requirements ... which will save you from ranting in the forums later.

mochicake

No, I'm a class without crowd control and I don't mess with it. The dps will get the mobs down eventually.

I'm a templar tank and have gotten some people in the group that are snarky about the lack of chains/grouping despite knowing that the class doesn't have anything like that. This is for the normal easy dungeons never vet. So I've quit doing them unless forced to for events. 1 bad experience ruins all the 1000 good runs. Haven't ventured into dungeons after getting Time Stop so maybe that would help now.

max_only

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

mochicake wrote: »

I'm a templar tank and have gotten some people in the group that are snarky about the lack of chains/grouping despite knowing that the class doesn't have anything like that. This is for the normal easy dungeons never vet. So I've quit doing them unless forced to for events. 1 bad experience ruins all the 1000 good runs. Haven't ventured into dungeons after getting Time Stop so maybe that would help now.

Silver Leash and Time Stop for templar Tanks. Time Stop is getting a double cost increase next week so you’ll have to get more Psijic quests done for the cost reduction passives if you’re serious about it.

mochicake

No, I'm a class without crowd control and I don't mess with it. The dps will get the mobs down eventually.

max_only wrote: »

Silver Leash and Time Stop for templar Tanks. Time Stop is getting a double cost increase next week so you’ll have to get more Psijic quests done for the cost reduction passives if you’re serious about it.

Yep got the line to max a few days ago. Thanks.

ArchMikem

Yes, I use Chains/Silver Leash/Talons/Time Stop/Frost Wall or other skills to help speed up things, it's my choice.

StamDK can only do grabby claws so many times before Magic is dry.

VaxtinTheWolf

I feel like I should explain my setups so I will attempt keeping my post short to avoid rambling on this particular topic.. I will add that I specifically do not have a Dragonknight Tank or Templar healer because it's "expected" or "the best", and I also have not participated in Trials or any DLC dungeons other than White-Gold Tower.


- Argonian Nightblade Tank
It has around 35k magicka, 27-30k health and 14k stamina in its current setup. No crowd control other than Soul Tether ultimate and very sparring use of Silver Leash. Provides enough off healing to keep DPS alive should the healer not be adequate or fall in combat. The sets used are Dragonguard and Spellpower Cure for the 'group buff' and pairs that with various Monster Sets like Blood Spawn, Sentinel of Rkugamz, Nightflame, or Grothdarr. If not fighting Trash packs and I have the chance to, I'll use War Horn instead of Soul Tether.

- Redguard Templar Tank
Just barely achieves 40k health, with 13-14k magicka and around 26k stamina. If given time, will switch between Caltrops for trash packs or Luminous Shards for group support. Has the ability to spam Silver Leash and use repentance to recover all of that stamina drain. For the Monster set, will use two +Magicka Regen pieces, or Sellistrix for the stun in trash packs. Reliant on the healer since I can't over use Echoing Vigor and mostly just use Blazing Shield and Bone Shield(replacing Echoing Vigor) for my defense. Also uses Plague Doctor and Brands of Imperium for shield support, however will sometimes swap it with Ebon Armor.

- Dark Elf Sorcerer Tank
This one was supposed to be my "Big-D Shield Tank" build but it's lost some of it's power due to game changes. Hardened Ward used to provide 18-20k shielding, which now only gives around 13k. For resource pools, it has 25-27k Health, around 38k Magicka, and 14-15k stamina. I use Torug's Pact and Necropotence paired with either Shadowrend, Grothdarr or Infernal Guardian monster Set. The reason for keeping the high Magicka still allows the Twilight Matriarch to push for an 8k burst Heal, which I use for extra healing support as needed. Will use either Liquid Lightning/Elemental Blockade or Restraining Prison. Uses Silver Leash as needed with the ability to restore stamina with Dark Deal. Does not have any PvP experience, so I use the Greater Storm Atronach and Suppression Field as my chosen ultimates.

VaranisArano

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

A basic tank holds boss aggro and doesn't die.

A good tank holds boss aggro, doesn't die, holds the boss more or less still in the AOEs, taunts priority adds, debuffs the boss, buffs the group, follows mechanics, and provides crowd control.

I main a tank and controlling the battlefield is one of the things I love about the role. With my DK tank, I have a lot of crowd control built into my class skills. Even on my sorc and nightblade tank, I would use Encase, Caltrops, or an ice staff to slow, lock down, and bunch up mobs. It just makes the fight smoother.

And when I get that DD who wants to rush ahead and scatter everything, my philosophy is, "Okay. You aggro it, you can tank it until I get there. And I'm not rushing."

firedrgn

Yes, I use Chains/Silver Leash/Talons/Time Stop/Frost Wall or other skills to help speed up things, it's my choice.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

Most mobs will die before u can cc and silver leash them all. So ya its part of tanking , but half the time you dont need to . The other half ya dps needs help. It does take the pressure off of low dps.

Some dungeons have layouts that make no crowd control real aggravating. Darkshade Caverns 1 is one of these, so many people wipe to the big mob pull, it's hard on healers with baddies on them and dps dying left and right. Any help, like Swarm Mothers even, helps there.

I have swarm never have used it .. i might try it

Sheezabeast

Yes, it is part of my job as tank to provide this utility.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you have a specific checklist for the tank in your group, @Sheezabeast, you don’t use the dungeon finder. Period.

Find a guildie or friend that meets the requirements ... which will save you from ranting in the forums later.

This is hardly a list of requirements or a rant. I wanted to hear from people why they do or don't. Since I only alt tank, I don't main tank, so I wanted to hear from others about their patterns, habits, and what they feel their role requires from them.

r34lian

Yes, I use Chains/Silver Leash/Talons/Time Stop/Frost Wall or other skills to help speed up things, it's my choice.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Loves_guars wrote: »

I do it, but if I'm on other role I won't get mad if my tank doesn't do it. So I guess I don't consider it mandatory, more like something to be grateful, like templar's shards.

Ogou wrote: »

I got the feeling a lot of these answers are not gonna be from tanks.

And also have this feeling that many of these are also those lovely pugs that think that is their job to run ahead of tank pulling everything they see.

Those types of dps speedsters that go head first into mobs are the reason Earth Gore is so clutch in PVE.

Whenever i get those types of dps I simply stay back and wait for them to die and tebag them.

Ohtimbar

Other: What is your reason for pug tanking and offering no crowd control? Feel free to discuss why or why not.

It's completely situational. If I'm just running normals for keys I generally won't need to bother with cc, but will if the group struggles for some reason. In the case of vet pledges I always offer some cc unless I'm testing a weird build idea or the dps are burning too quickly for it to matter (not often with vet pugs).