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[Bug Report] Werewolf restore half the amount of stamina on their heavy attacks on PTS vs Live

Qbiken
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The original thread has been updated due to new findings. Had to change to topic to better reflect what the bug is all about.

BUG REPORT:
Currently on the PTS for Wrathstone DLC, werewolfs heavy attack restore significantly less stamina compared to live. This has a serious impact on werewolfs since heavy attacks is their primary tool/mechanic to sustain. In order to compare Live and PTS the following precautions was made:

* 0 points into Revitalize and Tenacity
* No armor slots were occupied
* Two identical dual-wield axes with same quality was used on both Live and PTS
* For all tests I would drain my stamina down as much as possible
* The "Target Dummies" used were the same in both the tests on Live and PTS (many Aliki´r Scarabs died for this)
* For the test in human form I would perform heavy attack on the target with and without off-balance debuff applied
* For the test in werewolf form I would perform heavy attacks on the target with and without off-balance debuff while having
0/2, 1/2 and 2/2 points into Pursuit to see what values I would get.

DATA COLLECTED FROM LIVE:

Human form:
- Dual Wield (no off-balance) = 1799 Stamina
- Dual Wield (with off-balance) = 3599 Stamina

Werewolf Form:
- 0/2 Points into Pursuit (no off-balance) = 3235 Stamina
- 0/2 Points into Pursuit (with off-balance) = 6471 Stamina

- 1/2 Points into Pursuit (no off-balance) = 4044 Stamina
- 1/2 Points into Pursuit (with off-balance) = 8088 Stamina

- 2/2 Points into Pursuit (no off-balance) = 4853 Stamina
- 2/2 Points into Pursuit (with off-balance) = 9707 Stamina

Images from all the tests on live can be found here = https://imgur.com/a/7j5vJdL

DATA COLLECTED FROM PTS:

Human form:
- Dual Wield (no off-balance) = 1799 Stamina
- Dual Wield (with off-balance) = 3599 Stamina

Werewolf Form:
- 0/2 Points into Pursuit (no off-balance) = 1617 Stamina
- 0/2 Points into Pursuit (with off-balance) = 3235 Stamina

- 1/2 Points into Pursuit (no off-balance) = 2426 Stamina
- 1/2 Points into Pursuit (with off-balance) = 4044 Stamina

- 2/2 Points into Pursuit (no off-balance) = 3235 Stamina
- 2/2 Points into Pursuit (with off-balance) = 4853 Stamina

Images from all the tests on PTS can be found here = https://imgur.com/a/xqQ99Td

As you can see it´s clear that the amount of stamina werewolfs gain on heavy attacks are severely reduced on PTS compared to LIVE. This needs to be fixed before Wrathstone goes live or werewolf will be seriously gutted and close to unplayable in certain contexts.

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
Edited by Qbiken on February 12, 2019 10:52PM
WTB a non-bugged werewolf for at least one patch
(PC/EU)
Probably the worst Werewolf on PC/EU


Characters:
EU
DC - Octius Ciel - Magicka Sorcerer - Breton
DC - Evelina Septim - Magicka Templar - Breton
EP - Josephine Tharn - Magicka Templar - Imperial
DC - Zireael the White Flame - Stamina Sorcerer - Redguard
EP - Qbi-One-Kenobi - (Previously Tankus Maximus II) - Argonian
AD - Anconeus - Magicka Nightblade - High Elf
EP - Cirilla Élen Riannon - Magica Dragonknight - Dark Elf
AD - The Cub of Cintra - Stamina Nightblade - Redguard
AD - Alinare Larentius - Magicka Templar - High Elf
DC - The Alt-Knight - Stamina Dragonknight - Redguard
DC - Féreldir - Magicka Warden - Argonian
DC - Commissioner Birch - Stamina Warden - Redguard
AD - Kuvirá - Stamina Sorcerer - Redguard
EP - Subcribe tó Pewdiepe - Stamina Warden - Orc

NA
EP - Sister Q - Stamina Sorcerer - Nord
EP - Barbe Q - Magicka Dragonknight - Dunmer

Trials
vAA + HM: Completed
vHRC + HM: Completed
vSO + HM: Completed
vMoL+ HM: Completed
vMA: Completed, and with 10 characters as Flawless Conquerors.
vDSA: Completed
vAS HM: Completed
vHoF + HM: Completed
vCR +1
vBRP
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Omfg they broke a werewolf passive again! TF!
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Wolf_Watching
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    This is legit the way werewolves sustain in pvp.
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Aznox
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    This is a crucial part of the werewolf toolkit, it is very important for this to be fixed before the update goes live.
    Aznox
    PC EU
    Khajiit Stamina Sorcerer and Werewolf
    Currently enjoys a bit of loneliness in Shor
    Battleground regular and Dueling addict
    Theorycrafting enthusiast
  • Qbiken
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    Will do a few more tests on both PTS and on Live to compare the stamina return with and without off-balance. Will also test to remove CP and all points from Rapid Mending to see if the results remains the same.

    When I compare my current setup on Live to PTS I get half the amount of stamina back when heavy attacking on an off-balanced target while in WW-form, so something is clearly malfunctioning.
    WTB a non-bugged werewolf for at least one patch
    (PC/EU)
    Probably the worst Werewolf on PC/EU


    Characters:
    EU
    DC - Octius Ciel - Magicka Sorcerer - Breton
    DC - Evelina Septim - Magicka Templar - Breton
    EP - Josephine Tharn - Magicka Templar - Imperial
    DC - Zireael the White Flame - Stamina Sorcerer - Redguard
    EP - Qbi-One-Kenobi - (Previously Tankus Maximus II) - Argonian
    AD - Anconeus - Magicka Nightblade - High Elf
    EP - Cirilla Élen Riannon - Magica Dragonknight - Dark Elf
    AD - The Cub of Cintra - Stamina Nightblade - Redguard
    AD - Alinare Larentius - Magicka Templar - High Elf
    DC - The Alt-Knight - Stamina Dragonknight - Redguard
    DC - Féreldir - Magicka Warden - Argonian
    DC - Commissioner Birch - Stamina Warden - Redguard
    AD - Kuvirá - Stamina Sorcerer - Redguard
    EP - Subcribe tó Pewdiepe - Stamina Warden - Orc

    NA
    EP - Sister Q - Stamina Sorcerer - Nord
    EP - Barbe Q - Magicka Dragonknight - Dunmer

    Trials
    vAA + HM: Completed
    vHRC + HM: Completed
    vSO + HM: Completed
    vMoL+ HM: Completed
    vMA: Completed, and with 10 characters as Flawless Conquerors.
    vDSA: Completed
    vAS HM: Completed
    vHoF + HM: Completed
    vCR +1
    vBRP
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Really?
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • FThisIWantALongerNam
    Bumping for the attention it needs and deserves
  • CrazyWolf712
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    Oh my God!!! If this doesn’t get fixed before Wrathstone goes live, we may get stuck with this until Elsweyr!!! It happened with the resistances in Wolfhunter. If this goes live, werewolves won’t be able to do PvP and end game content will be just about impossible! With how expensive the werewolf moves are, this is serious. @ZOS_GinaBruno can we please see a fix to this before Wrathstone goes live? And @Chrlynsch get the wolves together. We need to keep this thread going.
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Guess this bug is going live. Thanks for not posting players and here’s to another 3 months of bugged werewolf in a critical way!
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • CrazyWolf712
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno since this is not in the patch notes can we get a hotfix? Heavy attacks are werewolves’ primary way of getting stam back. Just let us know this is being seen.
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Don’t let us know like you did shadow image I want a mention and a proper eta
    Edited by Wolf_Watching on February 11, 2019 7:31PM
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Qbiken
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    UPDATE:
    I´ve done my control tests on live, once PTS is available I´ll do a double check with same stuff/gear.
    WTB a non-bugged werewolf for at least one patch
    (PC/EU)
    Probably the worst Werewolf on PC/EU


    Characters:
    EU
    DC - Octius Ciel - Magicka Sorcerer - Breton
    DC - Evelina Septim - Magicka Templar - Breton
    EP - Josephine Tharn - Magicka Templar - Imperial
    DC - Zireael the White Flame - Stamina Sorcerer - Redguard
    EP - Qbi-One-Kenobi - (Previously Tankus Maximus II) - Argonian
    AD - Anconeus - Magicka Nightblade - High Elf
    EP - Cirilla Élen Riannon - Magica Dragonknight - Dark Elf
    AD - The Cub of Cintra - Stamina Nightblade - Redguard
    AD - Alinare Larentius - Magicka Templar - High Elf
    DC - The Alt-Knight - Stamina Dragonknight - Redguard
    DC - Féreldir - Magicka Warden - Argonian
    DC - Commissioner Birch - Stamina Warden - Redguard
    AD - Kuvirá - Stamina Sorcerer - Redguard
    EP - Subcribe tó Pewdiepe - Stamina Warden - Orc

    NA
    EP - Sister Q - Stamina Sorcerer - Nord
    EP - Barbe Q - Magicka Dragonknight - Dunmer

    Trials
    vAA + HM: Completed
    vHRC + HM: Completed
    vSO + HM: Completed
    vMoL+ HM: Completed
    vMA: Completed, and with 10 characters as Flawless Conquerors.
    vDSA: Completed
    vAS HM: Completed
    vHoF + HM: Completed
    vCR +1
    vBRP
  • Wolf_Watching
    Wolf_Watching
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    ...
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Chrlynsch
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    Thanks @Qbiken for finding this bug. @ZOS_GinaBruno please pass this along asap so we can have a fix in place before live.
    Caius
    Pack Leader of Scourge Alliance- First Fang of Hircine, The Beast of Bruma
    PC NA
  • Typical_T_ReX
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    Heavies are the main sustain function of Werewolf and should be fixed before patch.
  • Tasear
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    Hope this gets seen.
    Famous Healer, Loving Guild Master, Support Theory Crater
    Former Class Representative, & Former Community Ambassador
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    Sorc Dungeon Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=91310
    Sorc Dungeon Healer (Easy Version): https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=91335
    Sorc PvP Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=78983
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    DK Dungeon Tank: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=83069


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    Trial History: Magic Society Core Healer, Rolling Cliff Hangers Core Healer, Kongpanions Core Healer, Moonlight Core Healer
  • Dashmatt
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    Please fix this before it goes live.
  • Aztlan
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    This has to be a priority.
  • Glaiceana
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    Putting my voice to this as well, please look into this.
    Priests of Hircine
    Werewolves who bite for FREE! PC/EU
    Our total free bites: 4612
    Guild Subreddit | Forum Thread | YouTube Playlist
    Total Champion Points: 950+
    Main Character: Ithaera - Stam DK, Nord, Female, DD, Werewolf. (TITLES)
    Rothelnog - Stam NB, Orc, Male, DD, Werewolf.
    J'Xena - Mag DK, Khajiit, Female, DD, Werewolf.
    Dances-With-Frost-Dragons - DK, Argonian, Male, Tank, Werewolf.
    Raziel The Paradox - Mag TP, Dark Elf, Male, DD, Vampire.
    Swims-Through-Starlight - TP, Argonian, Female, Healer, Werewolf.
    Glaicean Mag Ward, High Elf, Male, Ice DD, Werewolf.
    Hjurne Hircine's Forsaken - Sorc, Redguard, Male, PvP DD, Werewolf.
    My Total Free Werewolf Bites: 381 (Ask me about bites if you need one!)
    Playing since July 2015!
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Bump
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Cough
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • sneakymitchell
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    @Qbiken Well crap but hey At least we can still survive rather than dying to passives from the other bug with resistance. Plus I do use heavy Attack but I run drinks with recovery. Im sure I can tell the difference if I’m on PTS. Hopefully it’s going get addressed and fixed soon before elsweryer.


    @ZOS_GinaBruno Hopefully you guys will address this sooner or later I rather not wait till elsweryer for another werewolf passive to finally work as intended.
    NA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Dk Stam
  • Wolf_Watching
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    @Qbiken Well crap but hey At least we can still survive rather than dying to passives from the other bug with resistance. Plus I do use heavy Attack but I run drinks with recovery. Im sure I can tell the difference if I’m on PTS. Hopefully it’s going get addressed and fixed soon before elsweryer.


    @ZOS_GinaBruno Hopefully you guys will address this sooner or later I rather not wait till elsweryer for another werewolf passive to finally work as intended.

    Well see if they wait to Else where they will just create another bug that someone will notice near the end and then IT won’t be addressed for another 3 months, so... it’s now or never.
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Aeschere3
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    I don't want to hound you too much, but this is pretty important to us WW players @ZOS_GinaBruno
    ZOS please give Maormer skin
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Bump. Please don’t ban me I just don’t want my gameplay to suffer for the next 3 months after patch (console). You can have all the badges I’m not concerned with them.
    Edited by Wolf_Watching on February 12, 2019 5:24AM
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Hope this gets seen.

    Agreed!
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Dashmatt
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    The Savage Strength passive was broken for the entire Wolfhunter update, making it awful to play WW. The bleed/enchant bug has been happening since Murkmire, making cheesy WW builds awful to play against.

    We can’t have another 3 months of broken gameplay.
  • Kilcosu
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    I'd also like to see some sort of response here and would not like to suffer through another werewolf bug for months at a time
  • Wolf_Watching
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    Kilcosu wrote: »
    I'd also like to see some sort of response here and would not like to suffer through another werewolf bug for months at a time

    Still nothing.
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
  • Wolf_Watching
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    I mean literally whining about a little dps drop on the mag side of khajit but when it comes to a game breaking glitch they don’t care for
    If This Iz Mispelld, I Totelly Mint to Due Tht.
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