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Argonians - more effective options when picking a race for each role in tanking, healing, or damage"
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Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam , what's up with the change to +6% healing done for PTS Argonians (currently +5% healing done and received on Live)?
Shouldn't it be +3% healing done and received to make them a more versatile race? As the PTS patch notes stand, the style of Argonian that is most buffed is the Healer archetype, whereas the tank and the DPS would much prefer having more healing received.
I think the Argonian potion passive is great, and their healing passive should likewise benefit all playstyles.
Shouldn't it be +3% healing done and received to make them a more versatile race? As the PTS patch notes stand, the style of Argonian that is most buffed is the Healer archetype, whereas the tank and the DPS would much prefer having more healing received.
Honestly I think their potion passive is unique and showcases the Argonians' versatility, and it would be way cooler if their healing passives were similarly more universal."We targeted their Healing Done bonus to help make it feel more impactful for their identity as strong healers, and their Resourceful passive to help highlight their ability to stay in the fray."
I think the Argonian potion passive is great, and their healing passive should likewise benefit all playstyles.
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✭✭Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam , what's up with the change to +6% healing done for PTS Argonians (currently +5% healing done and received on Live)?
Shouldn't it be +3% healing done and received to make them a more versatile race? As the PTS patch notes stand, the style of Argonian that is most buffed is the Healer archetype, whereas the tank and the DPS would much prefer having more healing received.
Honestly I think their potion passive is unique and showcases the Argonians' versatility, and it would be way cooler if their healing passives were similarly more universal."We targeted their Healing Done bonus to help make it feel more impactful for their identity as strong healers, and their Resourceful passive to help highlight their ability to stay in the fray."
I think the Argonian potion passive is great, and their healing passive should likewise benefit all playstyles.
What is goign on with ESO community,
Some want Argonian as Tank?
Some want best healers?
Some want Best DPS?
Edited by Lord_Eomer on February 5, 2019 5:15PM1 -
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✭✭Healing done and Healing received makes no difference in reference to your own healing. That's why Argonian has been so OP on live is because they have 10% bonus to their self heals. I believe it also increases health resource return from their Potin passive.0 -
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@Lord_DexterLord_Dexter wrote: »Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam , what's up with the change to +6% healing done for PTS Argonians (currently +5% healing done and received on Live)?
Shouldn't it be +3% healing done and received to make them a more versatile race? As the PTS patch notes stand, the style of Argonian that is most buffed is the Healer archetype, whereas the tank and the DPS would much prefer having more healing received.
Honestly I think their potion passive is unique and showcases the Argonians' versatility, and it would be way cooler if their healing passives were similarly more universal."We targeted their Healing Done bonus to help make it feel more impactful for their identity as strong healers, and their Resourceful passive to help highlight their ability to stay in the fray."
I think the Argonian potion passive is great, and their healing passive should likewise benefit all playstyles.
What is goign on with ESO community,
Some want Argonian as Tank?
Some want best healers?
Some want Best DPS?
Not the best.
To be effective in the role.
That is what the point of these changes is supposed to be in the first place.
It's kind of incredible how many people have missed the point entirely...skingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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I do believe that Argonians should be "Jack of all trades, master of none" at this point. Currently (If PTS 4.3.2 changes will go to live server in current state) Argonians will no longer be "BIS" for tanks (Nords, Imperials and possibly even Redguards will be far better). Also pretty much every magicka focused race will be a better choice for healers (+6% healing done is pretty weak tbh).Lord_Dexter wrote: »Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam , what's up with the change to +6% healing done for PTS Argonians (currently +5% healing done and received on Live)?
Shouldn't it be +3% healing done and received to make them a more versatile race? As the PTS patch notes stand, the style of Argonian that is most buffed is the Healer archetype, whereas the tank and the DPS would much prefer having more healing received.
Honestly I think their potion passive is unique and showcases the Argonians' versatility, and it would be way cooler if their healing passives were similarly more universal."We targeted their Healing Done bonus to help make it feel more impactful for their identity as strong healers, and their Resourceful passive to help highlight their ability to stay in the fray."
I think the Argonian potion passive is great, and their healing passive should likewise benefit all playstyles.
What is goign on with ESO community,
Some want Argonian as Tank?
Some want best healers?
Some want Best DPS?
At this point ZOS should add some form of weapon / spell dmg bonus to Argonian passives. Nothing super OP. Just so Argonias will be able to preform every role (Tank / healer / DPS) but they will not be BIS or even close to BIS (Average at best).Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on February 5, 2019 6:03PM7 -
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✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
I do believe that Argonians should be "Jack of all trades, master of none" at this point. Currently (If PTS 4.3.2 changes will go to live server in current state) Argonians will no longer be "BIS" for tanks (Nords, Imperials and possibly even Redguards will be far better). Also pretty much every magicka focused race will be a better choice for healers (+6% healing done is pretty weak tbh).Lord_Dexter wrote: »Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam , what's up with the change to +6% healing done for PTS Argonians (currently +5% healing done and received on Live)?
Shouldn't it be +3% healing done and received to make them a more versatile race? As the PTS patch notes stand, the style of Argonian that is most buffed is the Healer archetype, whereas the tank and the DPS would much prefer having more healing received.
Honestly I think their potion passive is unique and showcases the Argonians' versatility, and it would be way cooler if their healing passives were similarly more universal."We targeted their Healing Done bonus to help make it feel more impactful for their identity as strong healers, and their Resourceful passive to help highlight their ability to stay in the fray."
I think the Argonian potion passive is great, and their healing passive should likewise benefit all playstyles.
What is goign on with ESO community,
Some want Argonian as Tank?
Some want best healers?
Some want Best DPS?
At this point ZOS should add some form of weapon / spell dmg bonus to Argonian passives. Nothing super OP. Just so Argonias will be able to preform every role (Tank / healer / DPS) but they will not be BIS or even close to BIS (Average at best).
I doubt argonian sustain can be underestimated!
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Anoregon✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »I doubt argonian sustain can be underestimated!
They will do very much fine!
Argonian sustain is, if anything, overestimated. It only becomes remarkable when gearing specifically for it, which requires you to not be using enchants that would otherwise be flat damage increases. At the current average rate of 4000 per 45 seconds, that becomes ~178 per 2 seconds, which is nothing to write home about. Yes it's for all 3 stats, but in actual gameplay you are infrequently getting the full benefit for anything beyond your main resource. It's something that has always been stronger on paper than in practice.
Edited by Anoregon on February 5, 2019 7:04PM2 -
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✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »At this point ZOS should add some form of weapon / spell dmg bonus to Argonian passives. Nothing super OP. Just so Argonias will be able to preform every role (Tank / healer / DPS) but they will not be BIS or even close to BIS (Average at best).
They should have done that for all races, as announced in:ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »I’m guessing many of you will be interested to know more about the racial balance changes. While we aren’t ready to share specific details yet, here’s a peek at the goals driving the team’s effort:- When selecting a race, players should have multiple effective options for any given gameplay role.
- The combat power provided by each race should be more equalized.
- Players should feel a stronger sense of power progression through racial passives as they level up.
- The unique feeling and flavor each race provides should be retained and enhanced where possible, and remain faithful to established lore.
And not just another (questionable) spin to the fotm wheel.ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »Allow more effective options when picking a race for each role in tanking, healing, or damage dealing.
Edited by eso_nya on February 5, 2019 7:36PM1 -
Anoregon✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »At this point ZOS should add some form of weapon / spell dmg bonus to Argonian passives. Nothing super OP. Just so Argonias will be able to preform every role (Tank / healer / DPS) but they will not be BIS or even close to BIS (Average at best).
They should have done that for all races, as announced in:ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »I’m guessing many of you will be interested to know more about the racial balance changes. While we aren’t ready to share specific details yet, here’s a peek at the goals driving the team’s effort:- When selecting a race, players should have multiple effective options for any given gameplay role.
- The combat power provided by each race should be more equalized.
- Players should feel a stronger sense of power progression through racial passives as they level up.
- The unique feeling and flavor each race provides should be retained and enhanced where possible, and remain faithful to established lore.
And not just another (questionable) spin to the fotm wheel.ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »Allow more effective options when picking a race for each role in tanking, healing, or damage dealing.
4.3: "We want there to be more options for all races"
4.3.2: "Argonians are healers."
I guess that didn't last long.Edited by Anoregon on February 5, 2019 7:39PM5 -
Koronach✭✭✭✭✭It would be nice if they would give our Shadowscale side some attention. The only race hatched/born into a guild of assassins and trained to kill from a young age. Yet we are healers and tanks, tank making the least amount of sense to me considering we had bad Endurance in other TES games.1 -
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Argonian master race I guess?Lord_Dexter wrote: »Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam , what's up with the change to +6% healing done for PTS Argonians (currently +5% healing done and received on Live)?
Shouldn't it be +3% healing done and received to make them a more versatile race? As the PTS patch notes stand, the style of Argonian that is most buffed is the Healer archetype, whereas the tank and the DPS would much prefer having more healing received.
Honestly I think their potion passive is unique and showcases the Argonians' versatility, and it would be way cooler if their healing passives were similarly more universal."We targeted their Healing Done bonus to help make it feel more impactful for their identity as strong healers, and their Resourceful passive to help highlight their ability to stay in the fray."
I think the Argonian potion passive is great, and their healing passive should likewise benefit all playstyles.
What is goign on with ESO community,
Some want Argonian as Tank?
Some want best healers?
Some want Best DPS?
Edited by sneakymitchell on February 5, 2019 8:51PMNA-Xbox one- Ebonheart Pact- Nord Tank DK
PC-NA Ebonheart Pact Nord Stam Templar1 -
Roboplus✭✭✭Self healing has been nerfed by 4%. Healing Received has been nerfed by 5%.
Just drop the plus healing and give them a thousand stamina. There's everything in the lore that indicates Argonians regularly practice magic. There's everything in the lore that indicates Argonians regularly practice Restoration magic. There's nothing that indicates they're especially good at it. There's no well-known Argonian mages. No one journeys to Argonia to study Restoration spells.
What Argonians are known to be good at are being sneaky hunters that regularly wield swords and spears, when they aren't fighting with their bare hands.
And since Dark Elves dropped their Max Health boost, no race has a bonus to all 3 resources anymore.0