Nonvet Campaign & BGs are plagued by Warewolfs

Soris

Many players are exploiting the *** out of Warewolf. Not only it is bugged as hell but also it becomes too powerful with the buffs that a bellow level 50 character gets and general cluelessness of new players running with non optimal builds. When all these stars align, it creates nuclear bomb effect, and it's a very common thing nowadays.

I sometimes play on nonvet campaign for the lols and this level of brokenness is something i have never seen in this game for years. It is in the level of emperor vampire dk in 2014. NONE OF THE BUILDS in game have this much damage, healing and tanking potential that a good Warewolf build has in Kyne.

I hope you are at least aware of this issue and if you do, please do something!
@ZOS_GinaBruno

TiZzA93

*Werewolf

I thought a full 4 man WW in bgs and won barely might i say n i was a magden so no dbos

ChunkyCat

I play in the under 50 BGs with my alt.

The only time werewolves give me trouble is when 4-5 other players are also beating on me and my team of noobs are all dead.

If there were a polite way to say “get gud”, I would honestly use it.

StarOfElyon

If you can survive the fears you can beat them.

TiZzA93

I find just keep kiting them and spamming LA on mag toons is easy to put them on defensive then go super Saiyan on their ass lol

Ertosi

What's a warewolf and where can I buy one?

ganzaeso

They are not over powered.

The lack of knowledge on how to fight them is what makes it seem like that.

1. If a werewolf does not feed it is no more
2. If a werewolf can not land a hit it is no more
3. Stack the dawn breakers (This is difficult in below 50)
4. Poison the more the better
5. Defile the nightmare ulti or corrupting pollen

kringled_1

The only time I remember really having an issue was in a BG with 2-3 WW on one team, all running pack leader. When they were all on point with ult active, it was quite difficult to make headway, but that's more the targeting system than anything else and you can have the same issues with zoo pet sorcs.

The_Yellow_King

ganzaeso wrote: »

They are not over powered.

The lack of knowledge on how to fight them is what makes it seem like that.

1. If a werewolf does not feed it is no more
2. If a werewolf can not land a hit it is no more
3. Stack the dawn breakers (This is difficult in below 50)
4. Poison the more the better
5. Defile the nightmare ulti or corrupting pollen

For some builds its really hard though. Stamblades for example dont get poison injection until I think level 42? I have leveled 2 stamblades for the upcoming patch changes (1 kajjit and 1 bosmer) and bgs are the most fun/ least mindless way to level skills and werewolves are definitely OP in this regard.

I just dont really care, I'm there to level and grab some AP i honestly don't care if i win, but I do agree with the OP.

Malmai

Guys keep eye on that loot boxes...

geonsocal

we wery wary wof wem wascally warewolves...

Stebarnz

You guys are missing the point!
In under 50's there are very powerful, new players or casuals do under 50's, don't get me wrong you the odd twink troll master who cant cut over 50's but for the majority they don't know how to combat WW.
So for a new player or a casual they seem too strong because they lack the experience to combat them, ZOS didn't think about this when they buffed them plus with scaling they hit pretty hard with the bleeds, also I think the enchants are still firing from WW bleeds.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Dawnbreaker of Smiting = Problem solved

geonsocal

Stebarnz wrote: »

You guys are missing the point!
In under 50's there are very powerful, new players or casuals do under 50's, don't get me wrong you the odd twink troll master who cant cut over 50's but for the majority they don't know how to combat WW.
So for a new player or a casual they seem too strong because they lack the experience to combat them, ZOS didn't think about this when they buffed them plus with scaling they hit pretty hard with the bleeds, also I think the enchants are still firing from WW bleeds.

being able to pvp - enjoying pvp - takes a certain type of fortitude and resolve...there's always gonna be a build/player/situation which kicks your butt...gotta learn and adapt - or go crawl in dungeons or pick flowers while questing overland...

kringled_1

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Dawnbreaker of Smiting = Problem solved

Very few u50 players have dbos, though. You really have to be leveling by almost exclusively killing Daedra or undead, if you don't use Serk.

MartiniDaniels

geonsocal wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

You guys are missing the point!
In under 50's there are very powerful, new players or casuals do under 50's, don't get me wrong you the odd twink troll master who cant cut over 50's but for the majority they don't know how to combat WW.
So for a new player or a casual they seem too strong because they lack the experience to combat them, ZOS didn't think about this when they buffed them plus with scaling they hit pretty hard with the bleeds, also I think the enchants are still firing from WW bleeds.

being able to pvp - enjoying pvp - takes a certain type of fortitude and resolve...there's always gonna be a build/player/situation which kicks your butt...gotta learn and adapt - or go crawl in dungeons or pick flowers while questing overland...

"Being able to pvp", lol. Go prove yourself in counter-strike, OW or SC2 and show your MMR. Farming kills and rewards for the worthy on newbies in below 50 BGs is such a fortitude and resolve

Soris

I hope you are reading the title properly because many of the suggested counter skills are high level stuffs that won't be unlocked before level 40-45. And i dont remember asking how to properly fight a ww.

Save your epeen and git gud messages to the end game pvp please. This thread is meant for nonvet campaign where many of the new players and the new characters roam inside. Im just pointing out that the WW in nonvet has balance issues unlike the normal endgame pvp. And it seems that there are quite a lot of players who take advantage of it by exclusively building for it with golded out gear. If the scaling of ww power rewised for lower levels, there wont be any problem.

Wildberryjack

I disagree. I've gone Werewolf in an under 50 BG and got blown up fast by players who, well, actually know how to PvP. Werewolf is not god mode, you simply haven't bothered to learn how to counter it.

Stebarnz

geonsocal wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

You guys are missing the point!
In under 50's there are very powerful, new players or casuals do under 50's, don't get me wrong you the odd twink troll master who cant cut over 50's but for the majority they don't know how to combat WW.
So for a new player or a casual they seem too strong because they lack the experience to combat them, ZOS didn't think about this when they buffed them plus with scaling they hit pretty hard with the bleeds, also I think the enchants are still firing from WW bleeds.

being able to pvp - enjoying pvp - takes a certain type of fortitude and resolve...there's always gonna be a build/player/situation which kicks your butt...gotta learn and adapt - or go crawl in dungeons or pick flowers while questing overland...

Jesus! you got 2 awsome's for that, you must have an alt account.
There are many bugs in pvp that if you know how to use them provide unfair advantages!
New player logs on then decides ill try my first bg, gets absolutely tanned by someone running a twinked out WW build then new player goes, ill ask that person how they beat me so easy, they get 'STFU noob' as the kind of player who needs to run under 50's with twinked wolf is very weak minded, new player thinks, well pvp isn't for me and there goes 1 opportunity for an addition to the pvp ranks.
Multiply this experience exponentially and you end up with low pop and less servers or massive queue times for bg's just like happens on NA in between now and launch. EU is more populated in pvp. (PC)
Under 50's is a place for new players to learn how to pvp and build their skills ready for the toxicity that is over 50's, not get ripped with no possible response by some try hard small peen.
I gimp myself with level 4 white gear if I am running under 50's for fun but if I see a twinked out scrub 'pwning noobs' then I gear up and just focus that person and no one else, little message afterwards 'enjoy that? noobs don't either!'
Lets build the pvp population not kill it.

Girl_Number8

Soris wrote: »

Many players are exploiting the *** out of Warewolf. Not only it is bugged as hell but also it becomes too powerful with the buffs that a bellow level 50 character gets and general cluelessness of new players running with non optimal builds. When all these stars align, it creates nuclear bomb effect, and it's a very common thing nowadays.

I sometimes play on nonvet campaign for the lols and this level of brokenness is something i have never seen in this game for years. It is in the level of emperor vampire dk in 2014. NONE OF THE BUILDS in game have this much damage, healing and tanking potential that a good Warewolf build has in Kyne.

I hope you are at least aware of this issue and if you do, please do something!
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Nothing is near the vampy dks, Cx. That is a very large exaggeration, as they could fight an entire zerg solo and hold on. The servers were actually smooth then too, I should know.

Though what platform are you on? Because there is a fix in place for a certain issue but it won't help you if you are playing where it has already been fixed, or if your build is not a decent one, and your PvP skills are in need of some polishing. Because to be honest the WW builds are not near some of the most used ones in cyro at all. Also, in non-cp proc sets work even more so then if you were in a cp campaign.

In non-cp werewolves die fine, in cp they die fine. There is one person on pc bgs that is a famous streamer who is pretty okie at PvP and his werewolf with guard on it from another player still dies. So I just don't see it beyond the one issue that was fixed.

Girl_Number8

Stebarnz wrote: »

You guys are missing the point!
In under 50's there are very powerful, new players or casuals do under 50's, don't get me wrong you the odd twink troll master who cant cut over 50's but for the majority they don't know how to combat WW.
So for a new player or a casual they seem too strong because they lack the experience to combat them, ZOS didn't think about this when they buffed them plus with scaling they hit pretty hard with the bleeds, also I think the enchants are still firing from WW bleeds.

You are referring to one issue that has been fixed and has a fix ready for where it still exists but it is not god mode in the least. If you're a new player join a PvP guild and get advice from your guildies, group with other people till you learn how PvP works better. New players and casuals will pretty much die a lot because you're new. PvP does take time to learn and if you just put some effort into knowing the classes you play and developing your own playstyle, you will have a lot more fun. The best thing you can do is to study how to theory craft a decent build that you enjoy. It is well worth it because you will also know why it works. Good Luck

Ravereth

Soris wrote: »

Many players are exploiting the *** out of Warewolf. (...)

Well... You will get the same answer... Works as intended...

MasterSpatula

Wherewolf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQQtgx4iG8E

Soris

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Many players are exploiting the *** out of Warewolf. Not only it is bugged as hell but also it becomes too powerful with the buffs that a bellow level 50 character gets and general cluelessness of new players running with non optimal builds. When all these stars align, it creates nuclear bomb effect, and it's a very common thing nowadays.

I sometimes play on nonvet campaign for the lols and this level of brokenness is something i have never seen in this game for years. It is in the level of emperor vampire dk in 2014. NONE OF THE BUILDS in game have this much damage, healing and tanking potential that a good Warewolf build has in Kyne.

I hope you are at least aware of this issue and if you do, please do something!
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Nothing is near the vampy dks, Cx. That is a very large exaggeration, as they could fight an entire zerg solo and hold on. The servers were actually smooth then too, I should know.

Though what platform are you on? Because there is a fix in place for a certain issue but it won't help you if you are playing where it has already been fixed, or if your build is not a decent one, and your PvP skills are in need of some polishing. Because to be honest the WW builds are not near some of the most used ones in cyro at all. Also, in non-cp proc sets work even more so then if you were in a cp campaign.

In non-cp werewolves, die fine in cp they die fine. There is one person on pc bgs that is a famous streamer who is pretty okie at PvP and his werewolf with guard on it from another player still dies. So I just don't see it beyond the one issue that was fixed.

You talk like im asking for nerfs to ww. It is fine in general at endgame. Only at low levels it performs much better than anything in game. Thats why i said it has a very similar effect of dk in release times. It just can not facetank the zerg like the dk but it does everything else. Because why? Because your stats already scaled up if you have at least 4 star equipment bonus. WW by default gives lots of extra stats mainly armor/resist and weapon damage. Those extra stats should be toned down for low level battle leveling.
Im not saying everyone who turned into wolf instantly become godlike. Thats not correct. But when you specificly build for it and has not out leveled your gear for at least 5 levels, it becames the beast mode. (literally lol) And most of the counters are locked behind level 40s.
This does not apply for other builds since they dont have extra free stats out of nowhere.

Ertosi

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Wherewolf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQQtgx4iG8E

"There wolf"

geonsocal

Stebarnz wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

You guys are missing the point!
In under 50's there are very powerful, new players or casuals do under 50's, don't get me wrong you the odd twink troll master who cant cut over 50's but for the majority they don't know how to combat WW.
So for a new player or a casual they seem too strong because they lack the experience to combat them, ZOS didn't think about this when they buffed them plus with scaling they hit pretty hard with the bleeds, also I think the enchants are still firing from WW bleeds.

being able to pvp - enjoying pvp - takes a certain type of fortitude and resolve...there's always gonna be a build/player/situation which kicks your butt...gotta learn and adapt - or go crawl in dungeons or pick flowers while questing overland...

Jesus! you got 2 awsome's for that, you must have an alt account.

oh, thank you - i really needed that laugh

okay then, let's get serious for a moment...

werewolves themselves ain't the issue...

i have 10 characters on the NA server - the last two i started were wardens...

when i brought them in to non-vet battlegrounds - they performed really really well, because, although i couldn't carry my cp into the environment - i sure as heck was able to put them in some fine crafted epic gear sets, along with having some excellent potions and food/drink buffs at my disposal...

the same issues happens in kyne - sure everyone is a non-vet with no cp - but, our characters are not all wearing the same gear, or, have the same resources at their disposal...

you wanna really talk about a non-vet issue - i give you: class imbalance:

i have 5 more toons i created on the EU server...took them through battlegrounds during the recent mayhem event...

in my first match i brought in my mag sorc whom proceeded to get 21 kills, zero deaths and 11 assists...

yeah, that sounds fair...

pvp ain't for the weak of heart...and, you can't carry new players along - even with a MMR system in place...

life's not fair, and, neither is eso pvp...

maybe fortnite might be more suitable for some - at least there if you're fighting a werewolf you won't get mauled to death...

Stebarnz

geonsocal wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

You guys are missing the point!
In under 50's there are very powerful, new players or casuals do under 50's, don't get me wrong you the odd twink troll master who cant cut over 50's but for the majority they don't know how to combat WW.
So for a new player or a casual they seem too strong because they lack the experience to combat them, ZOS didn't think about this when they buffed them plus with scaling they hit pretty hard with the bleeds, also I think the enchants are still firing from WW bleeds.

being able to pvp - enjoying pvp - takes a certain type of fortitude and resolve...there's always gonna be a build/player/situation which kicks your butt...gotta learn and adapt - or go crawl in dungeons or pick flowers while questing overland...

Jesus! you got 2 awsome's for that, you must have an alt account.

oh, thank you - i really needed that laugh

okay then, let's get serious for a moment...

werewolves themselves ain't the issue...

i have 10 characters on the NA server - the last two i started were wardens...

when i brought them in to non-vet battlegrounds - they performed really really well, because, although i couldn't carry my cp into the environment - i sure as heck was able to put them in some fine crafted epic gear sets, along with having some excellent potions and food/drink buffs at my disposal...

the same issues happens in kyne - sure everyone is a non-vet with no cp - but, our characters are not all wearing the same gear, or, have the same resources at their disposal...

you wanna really talk about a non-vet issue - i give you: class imbalance:

i have 5 more toons i created on the EU server...took them through battlegrounds during the recent mayhem event...

in my first match i brought in my mag sorc whom proceeded to get 21 kills, zero deaths and 11 assists...

yeah, that sounds fair...

pvp ain't for the weak of heart...and, you can't carry new players along - even with a MMR system in place...

life's not fair, and, neither is eso pvp...

maybe fortnite might be more suitable for some - at least there if you're fighting a werewolf you won't get mauled to death...

I 100% agree with you, twinked out characters and a player with experience will dominate under 50's BG's no matter what.

Ive got 30 characters over 4 accounts pc na and eu, played since launch and ive started every class in under 50's and its cool if you don't believe me but WW on any stam class is a little too strong. The level boost it receives is a little crazy when you can fully level WW and still be level 10. If you don't believe me, come and duel me, ill make a new WW and show you.

My point wasn't that I have a problem i can deal with them because i can equip twinked gear and i have experience, my point was that a new player doesn't stand even a chance so gets negative about the experience immediately and stops playing, I just want more people to play and enjoy so the community and game grows and doesn't stagnate like it currently is. low cyro pop and less servers than ever, massive q times for BG's and so on.
But im very close to not caring anymore so, it is what it is.

ChunkyCat

^ with that logic, “new players” would never get anywhere in the game because they’d quit the minute they get steamrolled in VMA, VDSA, VDLC dungeons, etc.

If a “new player” gets wrecked in BGs, maybe the new player should rethink doing PvP in mismatched sets of light armor.

russelmmendoza

My lvl 25 w-elf stam nb can kill a wolf [removed profanity] from a distance. Upclose and his dogmeat.

Choose your fight, that dog will not roll over and play dead for you.

I get the newbies getting steamrolled by wolf [removed profanity] but theyll learn soon enough.

Either that or they quit.

Oh whelp.

Stebarnz

ChunkyCat wrote: »

^ with that logic, “new players” would never get anywhere in the game because they’d quit the minute they get steamrolled in VMA, VDSA, VDLC dungeons, etc.

If a “new player” gets wrecked in BGs, maybe the new player should rethink doing PvP in mismatched sets of light armor.

Ye f**k em, stoopid noobs need to be better at things!
That's why there are NORMAL versions of these dungeons so they can have a learning curve!
I get it, its not ideal, or a good way ZOS have setup this game.
My point which I keep repeating is, if you wanna twink out a character and run around 'pwning noobs' massaging your tiny epeen in under 50's with no effort or skill to inflate some weird ego, that's cool, have fun.
I would rather help someone learn a little about the game and how to play it hopefully bringing more people into the fold, but its only an opinion, what do I know.

Thevampirenight

Soon we will have
Werewolf Necromancers!