Dealy Strikes + Relequen + Master's Weapons

BadShogun

I've been testing out Deadly Strikes in many different combinations on my stamDK on the PTS, and have now found two combinations using it that parse higher than the current live meta of AY + Relequen + Velidreth.

One - the vMA DW setup that uses Rapid Strikes as spammable, is parsing higher for me on the 6 mill dummy. Others have tested this as well and came to the same conclusion.

I just finished testing out a similar build, using Master's DW + Master's Bow / vMA Bow on the backbar, and it might be even better....

Here's the setup:

Race: Redguard
Class: StamDK

Gear:
Head & Shoulders : Deadly Strikes - divines, max stam enchant
Body armor: Relequen - divines, max stam enchant
Jewelry: Deadly Strikes - all bloodthirsty, weapon damage enchants
front bar weapons: Master's DW Daggers - MH Nirnhoned, OH Precise - double dot poisons
back bar weapon: vMA Bow OR Master's Bow - Infused, weapon damage enchant. ( they are within 1-200 dps of each other margin of error )

Rotation and bar setup is the exact same as is with the standard AY + Relequen + Velidreth on live.

This setup works super well with that rotation because the spammable is Rending Slashes, which gets a single tick between each strike.

That one tick is now empowered by +14% damage over time from Deadly Strikes 5pc bonus + 1350 extra damage from the Master's DW.

My initial results are looking really good, parsing at least 500 dps higher than I was with the vMA DW setup ( maybe due to the rotation being more difficult ), and at least 2k higher than the live meta setup.

Give it a shot!

Deadly strikes is making me a happy experimenter right now. I think that we are going to end up with three possible setups that will all be within 1% of each other.

Choices are good. Now we just need an alternative to Relequen for single target.

Parse and superstar screens: ( I am not an expert level player. Only been playing ESO since October, I'm sure others will be able to parse much higher than me with this setup )

validifyedneb18_ESO

Ill be trying this out on a stamsorc in the near future.

My hope is ill be able to swap out between BloodDrinker and Relequens on the fly to do PVP/PVE.

I do have my doubts as to the worth of the masters weapons. While I haven't tested this in a PVE rotation I found that on a Deadly Strikes + BloodDrinker setup where you would expect masters weps to fit in perfectly, they where actually fairly bad.

At 100% uptime they're only providing like 1.3k dps, which can easily be outmatched by a good monster set no?

As a stamsorc without a good way to keep minor berserk up, I ended up using slimecraw for more damage. Although again, thats for PVP.

Edit: And DS adds 14% to Rapid Strikes as a spammable anyway, did you test this as an alternative to spamming the bleed?

Edit2: Also I can see a lot of people selling DS 1h Axes for huge amounts on live even now, but I am somewhat convinced that the 6% from swords or crit from daggers will provide more dps even for a pure PVP bleed build than the ~60% uptime on axe bleed provides.

BadShogun

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Ill be trying this out on a stamsorc in the near future.

My hope is ill be able to swap out between BloodDrinker and Relequens on the fly to do PVP/PVE.

I do have my doubts as to the worth of the masters weapons. While I haven't tested this in a PVE rotation I found that on a Deadly Strikes + BloodDrinker setup where you would expect masters weps to fit in perfectly, they where actually fairly bad.

At 100% uptime they're only providing like 1.3k dps, which can easily be outmatched by a good monster set no?

As a stamsorc without a good way to keep minor berserk up, I ended up using slimecraw for more damage. Although again, thats for PVP.

The problem for PVE is Relequen. I also tried out the combination of blood drinker + deadly strikes + master's dw.

Rending Slashes in that setup hits extraordinarily hard, but still not enough to make up for the loss of Relequen's dot + minor slayer.

Unless ZOS releases a new trial set that has minor slayer plus some other single target damage proc to compete with Relequen, we're stuck with it in any single target setup combo.

LiquidPony

I had much better luck with vMA DW on a stamDK and better luck with Masters DW on a stamsorc.



That's my Deadly Strikes + Relequen + vMA DW parse on a stamDK.

BadShogun

LiquidPony wrote: »

I had much better luck with vMA DW on a stamDK and better luck with Masters DW on a stamsorc.

That's my Deadly Strikes + Relequen + vMA DW parse on a stamDK.

It might be a skill/comfort level issue for me. Been running the standard live setup for a while and I'm very practiced on it. Would like to see how others like yourself that are of higher skill level than me do with this.

LiquidPony

BadShogun wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

I had much better luck with vMA DW on a stamDK and better luck with Masters DW on a stamsorc.

That's my Deadly Strikes + Relequen + vMA DW parse on a stamDK.

It might be a skill/comfort level issue for me. Been running the standard live setup for a while and I'm very practiced on it. Would like to see how others like yourself that are of higher skill level than me do with this.

I haven't played a stamDK in ages to be honest, not since Morrowind. But this is pretty similar to the old Maelstrom DW rotation from back when it was meta on all stam classes.

The Maelstrom DW rotation I'm doing is basically:

Endless Hail, LA Caltrops, LA Poison Inject, swap

LA Rapid Strikes, LA Noxious, LA Rapid Strikes, LA Claw, LA Rapid Strikes, LA Rending Slashes, LA Trap, LA Rapid Strikes, LA, swap

Flames of Oblivion every other pass through the rotation-ish. Make sure to LA before swapping off of DW bar. Doing it the way listed there ensures that you empower Poison Injection rather than Rearming Trap.

Sometimes it changes a bit. If I cast FoO and drop a Standard for instance I skip the Rapid Strikes at the end.

I'm also on an Orc and using 1 Infused and 2 Bloodthirsty.

Ohhgrizyyy

BadShogun wrote: »

I've been testing out Deadly Strikes in many different combinations on my stamDK on the PTS, and have now found two combinations using it that parse higher than the current live meta of AY + Relequen + Velidreth.

One - the vMA DW setup that uses Rapid Strikes as spammable, is parsing higher for me on the 6 mill dummy. Others have tested this as well and came to the same conclusion.

I just finished testing out a similar build, using Master's DW + Master's Bow / vMA Bow on the backbar, and it might be even better....

Here's the setup:

Race: Redguard
Class: StamDK

Gear:
Head & Shoulders : Deadly Strikes - divines, max stam enchant
Body armor: Relequen - divines, max stam enchant
Jewelry: Deadly Strikes - all bloodthirsty, weapon damage enchants
front bar weapons: Master's DW Daggers - MH Nirnhoned, OH Precise - double dot poisons
back bar weapon: vMA Bow OR Master's Bow - Infused, weapon damage enchant. ( they are within 1-200 dps of each other margin of error )

Rotation and bar setup is the exact same as is with the standard AY + Relequen + Velidreth on live.

This setup works super well with that rotation because the spammable is Rending Slashes, which gets a single tick between each strike.

That one tick is now empowered by +14% damage over time from Deadly Strikes 5pc bonus + 1350 extra damage from the Master's DW.

My initial results are looking really good, parsing at least 500 dps higher than I was with the vMA DW setup ( maybe due to the rotation being more difficult ), and at least 2k higher than the live meta setup.

Give it a shot!

Deadly strikes is making me a happy experimenter right now. I think that we are going to end up with three possible setups that will all be within 1% of each other.

Choices are good. Now we just need an alternative to Relequen for single target.

Parse and superstar screens: ( I am not an expert level player. Only been playing ESO since October, I'm sure others will be able to parse much higher than me with this setup )

Great to see/hear but technically AY might still be your best bet in a fully optimized trial group with good Major Force uptime as you will have more crit with AY and overall the scaling with that may out damage both the vMA and Masters weapon setups

vesselwiththepestle

Does Deadly Strike buff Spawn of Mephala?

John_Falstaff

@LiquidPony , I wonder which traits you had on vMA DW? That's parse from PTS, right?

SaintSubwayy

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

Does Deadly Strike buff Spawn of Mephala?

yes it deos, but Mephala requires a Heavyattack once every 10 Sec, to keep it up
so unless to have to heavyattack to sustain you would be better off with veliderth or selens.

LiquidPony

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@LiquidPony , I wonder which traits you had on vMA DW? That's parse from PTS, right?

@John_Falstaff Nirn + Precise with Poisons. And yes on PTS, Deadly Strike is garbage on Live.

MassTerror23

BadShogun wrote: »

I've been testing out Deadly Strikes in many different combinations on my stamDK on the PTS, and have now found two combinations using it that parse higher than the current live meta of AY + Relequen + Velidreth.

One - the vMA DW setup that uses Rapid Strikes as spammable, is parsing higher for me on the 6 mill dummy. Others have tested this as well and came to the same conclusion.

I just finished testing out a similar build, using Master's DW + Master's Bow / vMA Bow on the backbar, and it might be even better....

Here's the setup:

Race: Redguard
Class: StamDK

Gear:
Head & Shoulders : Deadly Strikes - divines, max stam enchant
Body armor: Relequen - divines, max stam enchant
Jewelry: Deadly Strikes - all bloodthirsty, weapon damage enchants
front bar weapons: Master's DW Daggers - MH Nirnhoned, OH Precise - double dot poisons
back bar weapon: vMA Bow OR Master's Bow - Infused, weapon damage enchant. ( they are within 1-200 dps of each other margin of error )

Rotation and bar setup is the exact same as is with the standard AY + Relequen + Velidreth on live.

This setup works super well with that rotation because the spammable is Rending Slashes, which gets a single tick between each strike.

That one tick is now empowered by +14% damage over time from Deadly Strikes 5pc bonus + 1350 extra damage from the Master's DW.

My initial results are looking really good, parsing at least 500 dps higher than I was with the vMA DW setup ( maybe due to the rotation being more difficult ), and at least 2k higher than the live meta setup.

Give it a shot!

Deadly strikes is making me a happy experimenter right now. I think that we are going to end up with three possible setups that will all be within 1% of each other.

Choices are good. Now we just need an alternative to Relequen for single target.

Parse and superstar screens: ( I am not an expert level player. Only been playing ESO since October, I'm sure others will be able to parse much higher than me with this setup )

Where do you find this set at?

LiquidPony

MassTerror23 wrote: »

BadShogun wrote: »

I've been testing out Deadly Strikes in many different combinations on my stamDK on the PTS, and have now found two combinations using it that parse higher than the current live meta of AY + Relequen + Velidreth.

One - the vMA DW setup that uses Rapid Strikes as spammable, is parsing higher for me on the 6 mill dummy. Others have tested this as well and came to the same conclusion.

I just finished testing out a similar build, using Master's DW + Master's Bow / vMA Bow on the backbar, and it might be even better....

Here's the setup:

Race: Redguard
Class: StamDK

Gear:
Head & Shoulders : Deadly Strikes - divines, max stam enchant
Body armor: Relequen - divines, max stam enchant
Jewelry: Deadly Strikes - all bloodthirsty, weapon damage enchants
front bar weapons: Master's DW Daggers - MH Nirnhoned, OH Precise - double dot poisons
back bar weapon: vMA Bow OR Master's Bow - Infused, weapon damage enchant. ( they are within 1-200 dps of each other margin of error )

Rotation and bar setup is the exact same as is with the standard AY + Relequen + Velidreth on live.

This setup works super well with that rotation because the spammable is Rending Slashes, which gets a single tick between each strike.

That one tick is now empowered by +14% damage over time from Deadly Strikes 5pc bonus + 1350 extra damage from the Master's DW.

My initial results are looking really good, parsing at least 500 dps higher than I was with the vMA DW setup ( maybe due to the rotation being more difficult ), and at least 2k higher than the live meta setup.

Give it a shot!

Deadly strikes is making me a happy experimenter right now. I think that we are going to end up with three possible setups that will all be within 1% of each other.

Choices are good. Now we just need an alternative to Relequen for single target.

Parse and superstar screens: ( I am not an expert level player. Only been playing ESO since October, I'm sure others will be able to parse much higher than me with this setup )

Where do you find this set at?

It's in Vlastrus @MassTerror23.

simeion

Why masters and not Maelstrom? Buff all you DoTs!

BadShogun

simeion wrote: »

Why masters and not Maelstrom? Buff all you DoTs!

They have different rotations - using master's weapons means you can keep rending slashes as spammable and stick to the rotation you've been using if you follow the meta.

using the vMA weapons requires the use of rapid strikes - the point of this post was to show that Deadly Strikes update opens up a few choices for StamDK's especially:

1. It's a good alternative to AY, (use jewelry + DW) only slightly less powerful
2. If you use the jewelry + head and shoulders then you can use vMA + rapid strikes
3. If you use the jewelry + head and shoulders then you can use Master's DW + existing rotation

Three new options for us that are all very close in power to existing meta.

booksmcread

Does Deadly Strike's 5-piece affect Biting Jabs?

SaintSubwayy

booksmcread wrote: »

Does Deadly Strike's 5-piece affect Biting Jabs?

As much as I know it should affect Jabs yes.