Can we show Nord some actual love, before new passives come out?

Nyladreas

Post made by @Masel in another thread (Many Thanks!) shows that Nord comes out as the ultimate worst in every aspect, even after the new currently proposed changes.

A nord! One of the most iconic races. Why... This is really sad. They're not just useless drunks. They deserve love. They deserve some power. But right now they look sadly pathetic.

The new 5 ultimate every 10 seconds on taking damage is a neat idea but badly executed. Anything that can be done?

I mean look... It almost indicates Nord players might as well be labeled as having no race. The difference between Nord and None is so tiny.

Masel wrote: »

...In order to prove some of this, i made an excel sheet where i implemented these into a standard build for stamina and magicka DDs in PvE. Magicka build was (as far as i remember) Zaan, Siroria and Sorrow/Spell Strategist, while the stamina version uses Relequen+Advancing Yokeda+Velidreth.
Formula is the same as above.

Here's the comparison of effective spell power and weapon power:



Here, altmer comes out as the clear winner, and for stamina, dunmer puts out the highest damage. This does not yet factor in sustain components. In order to do so, I introduced a ranking system that basically just ranks races based on damage and sustain with equal weights. The weights can ofc be adjusted, so if sustain is more important to you, the ranks will change accordingly.



With equal weights, altmer still comes out on top, but not by much. Shifting the weights towards sustain more and more makes breton the best choice.

Shifting the weights to 30% sustain and 70% damage yields the following:



And the other way around:



It all depends on what you need, and the gaps are not as cear and big as many make them seem.

D0PAMINE

I wonder how Nord will be as an Ultigen build. Maybe off tank even. @Nyladreas I agree with you however.

Finviuswe

Nord have never gotten any love everyone hates nord.

lol

Nyladreas

D0PAMINE wrote: »

I wonder how Nord will be as an Ultigen build. Maybe off tank even. @Nyladreas I agree with you however.

I almost feel like ultigen might be the only really fun way to play a nord. But I'm still skeptical.

Aliyavana

they are the best tanking race tho now apparently

D0PAMINE

Nyladreas wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

I wonder how Nord will be as an Ultigen build. Maybe off tank even. @Nyladreas I agree with you however.

I almost feel like ultigen might be the only really fun way to play a nord. But I'm still skeptical.

Like an Ultigen Synergy build with whatever jewelry trait ups synergies. Still would be forced into a certain playstyle.

ccmedaddy

What? Nords just got a pretty nice set of buffs and will probably the BiS race for tanking in both PvE and PvP. Just because it's not top DPS doesn't mean it's bad.

Nyladreas

ccmedaddy wrote: »

What? Nords just got a pretty nice set of buffs and will probably the BiS race for tanking in both PvE and PvP. Just because it's not top DPS doesn't mean it's bad.

And you see nothing wrong with "forcing" a race into a specific playstyle to do really well? Nothing wrong with being really bad in terms of pure freedom of choice? Wasn't the point of the racial changes to allow more versatility?

Also, the chart isn't just dps. It looks at the game from all aspects.

Rake

Worst race ever

AlienatedGoat

Aliyavana wrote: »

they are the best tanking race tho now apparently

I think Imperial is back in the #1 spot with the change on Red Diamond and the addition of the block/bash reduction.

Changing the Nord damage reduction into phys/spell resists really lessened the pull of Nord for me. It's very simple to hit the resist cap with gear+passives+skills without putting anything else into it, so this is a waste of a passive for tanking IMO since there isn't anything to positively offset it.

ccmedaddy

Nyladreas wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

What? Nords just got a pretty nice set of buffs and will probably the BiS race for tanking in both PvE and PvP. Just because it's not top DPS doesn't mean it's bad.

And you see nothing wrong with "forcing" a race into a specific playstyle to do really well? Nothing wrong with being really bad in terms of pure freedom of choice? Wasn't the point of the racial changes to allow more versatility?

Also, the chart isn't just dps. It looks at the game from all aspects.

It sounds like you have problems with the way races are handled in this game. That's a whole another discussion and has nothing to do with how good/bad Nords are as a race.

And of course the charts are about dps. What are you even talking about? And from the same post you quoted above Masel says "It all depends on what you need, and the gaps are not as cear and big as many make them seem" so it really looks to me like you're QQing over nothing.

zaria

Nyladreas wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

What? Nords just got a pretty nice set of buffs and will probably the BiS race for tanking in both PvE and PvP. Just because it's not top DPS doesn't mean it's bad.

And you see nothing wrong with "forcing" a race into a specific playstyle to do really well? Nothing wrong with being really bad in terms of pure freedom of choice? Wasn't the point of the racial changes to allow more versatility?

Also, the chart isn't just dps. It looks at the game from all aspects.

Good pint, Nord is probably also one of the player select race first then build races and been worse off than Khajiit.
Now the boasting lively Nord get slotted into the soulless machine like warfare of our age to deliver timed ulitmates for rolling fire. This one feel with you.
Sail west, PM this one if you find vine

susmitds

Nyladreas wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

What? Nords just got a pretty nice set of buffs and will probably the BiS race for tanking in both PvE and PvP. Just because it's not top DPS doesn't mean it's bad.

And you see nothing wrong with "forcing" a race into a specific playstyle to do really well? Nothing wrong with being really bad in terms of pure freedom of choice? Wasn't the point of the racial changes to allow more versatility?

Also, the chart isn't just dps. It looks at the game from all aspects.

That chart is just DPS.

ezio45

I dont know ive never considered running a nord but now im putting serious thought into running a nord for a permafrost or negate tank