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Why are streamers so unjustly glorified in every game, despite there being far better players?

Nyladreas
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Title. I'm just confused why people glorify and accredit people who decided to slap a camera in front of their face and make fools of themselves, despite there being literally hundreds of far better players ingame who don't seek any sort of attention.

I guess the same question could be asked about real life celebrities, most of which make me barf and roll my eyes, but yeah... How come?

Seems silly and stupid, especially when I see so many people (fans) completely unable to think for themselves, or follow the crowd cause it's "cool".

Kinda sad.
Edited by Nyladreas on January 17, 2019 9:11PM
  • DMuehlhausen
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    Cause they are in the public eye.

    People that are really good play the game and thats why they are good.

  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Why has an egg gotten more votes on instragram than another vapid thing that also doesn't deserve votes?

    Welcome to the wacky new world of croudsourced celebrity.
  • Turelus
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    Because no one knows who any of the better players are.

    It's hard to be show interest in someone who doesn't put themself out there to be seen by a bigger audience.

    As an example, I couldn't tell you any top PC NA PvP players because I don't play PC NA, but I could tell you PC NA streamers who PvP.
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  • Nyladreas
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    Cause they are in the public eye.

    People that are really good play the game and thats why they are good.

    I understand this. What I do NOT understand is what actually makes people believe they're good? It makes no sense to me.

    Also, quite ironically, the actually good players who DO stream as well are usually barely popular. Don't know anyone specifically in ESO like that but wow had plenty.
    Edited by Nyladreas on January 17, 2019 9:09PM
  • acw37162
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    Free marketing
    People who stream have viewers
    Viewers watch then play
    Once they play they spend money

    “Good” Players who don’t slap a camera in front of their face and make fools of themselves have no audience and no reach.

    It’s really not that hard to understand at all with the added benefit of a censure over streamers comments and coverage
    Edited by acw37162 on January 17, 2019 9:11PM
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    It will be fun to wait until the new chapter is out and we see twitch streamer that NEVER play eso regularly but have huge audiences just randomly playing ESO again.
  • AlienatedGoat
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    Nyladreas wrote: »
    Cause they are in the public eye.

    People that are really good play the game and thats why they are good.

    I understand this. What I do NOT understand is what actually makes people believe they're good? It makes no sense to me.

    It's groupthink mentality meets name recognition.

    Followers often jade themselves into believing their leader is the greatest. It's how they rationalize their behavior.
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  • DMuehlhausen
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    Nyladreas wrote: »
    Cause they are in the public eye.

    People that are really good play the game and thats why they are good.

    I understand this. What I do NOT understand is what actually makes people believe they're good? It makes no sense to me.

    Also, quite ironically, the actually good players who DO stream as well are usually barely popular. Don't know anyone specifically in ESO like that but wow had plenty.

    I don't think people glorify them because the are "good" or better than other players. It's cause they put themselves out there. So they are excited to talk to, or interact with literally a global celebrity.
  • Chufu
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    It's kind of the same with TV shows. There are good and bad ones, but those who have the lowest niveau are watched the most. Just laughing that even those receive hundreds of Euro from unknown donators for just streaming blabla.

    I even think a lot of really good ESO players would never do streaming, just because they don't like to be in front of a camera and to be watched all the time. So there would be a lot of potential in the community, but most of them don't want a camera. Can understand that though.

    I still try to watch some Twitchlers and find new ones as well and if I like them, they get a follow. So i think the potential is growing as well, just need more players to try it maybe.

    And to mention as well: There are a lot of nice streamers as well, competent, funny, humorous, so it's even fun to watch.
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    Chufu wrote: »
    And to mention as well: There are a lot of nice streamers as well, competent, funny, humorous, so it's even fun to watch.

    These are the only ones that I regularly watch, and IMHO people should focus more on these "traits" and channels. :)
  • LaveniaRose
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    Why do you even care? I don't understand all the recent streamer threads. They're streaming however makes sense for them. And you can watch or not watch. I watch a couple of streamers as background noise while I play. There's many, many more I don't watch because their humor isn't my favorite or I don't like the pace of their gameplay etc. But I don't feel any need to have strong opinions on either group. Best of luck to the streamers that are recognized as good players and the glorified overrated ones.
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    Why do you even care? I don't understand all the recent streamer threads. They're streaming however makes sense for them. And you can watch or not watch. I watch a couple of streamers as background noise while I play. There's many, many more I don't watch because their humor isn't my favorite or I don't like the pace of their gameplay etc. But I don't feel any need to have strong opinions on either group. Best of luck to the streamers that are recognized as good players and the glorified overrated ones.

    I care because people often point or go to them for advice or even use them to prove some random points. Or in the worst case, reflect on their words when it comes to gameplay and even development.

    I also care because I'm genuinely concerned about thinking of these blinded fine people (fans). Some won't even accept another answer to a problem, because Mr./Ms. Streamer said something.
    Edited by Nyladreas on January 17, 2019 9:21PM
  • LaveniaRose
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    Nyladreas wrote: »
    Why do you even care? I don't understand all the recent streamer threads. They're streaming however makes sense for them. And you can watch or not watch. I watch a couple of streamers as background noise while I play. There's many, many more I don't watch because their humor isn't my favorite or I don't like the pace of their gameplay etc. But I don't feel any need to have strong opinions on either group. Best of luck to the streamers that are recognized as good players and the glorified overrated ones.

    I care because people often point or go to them for advice or even use them to prove some random points. Or in the worst case, reflect on their words when it comes to gameplay and even development.

    That's a fair point. I think your original post was a bit harsh. But I this is a valid reason to dislike the size of their voice in the game.
    Edited by LaveniaRose on January 17, 2019 9:18PM
  • Finviuswe
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    I never met a streamer who was good they're always terrible lol the only good streamer I know I've beaten.

    Pretty funny, isn't it?
  • CrazYDunm3r
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    Well, streamers are usually entertaining to watch so people tend to watch with joy and copy their toughts or views on specific topics. For information from other people, you yourself should know who is a reliable source, but for newer players these streamers are very easy to watch and get somewhat good information from.

    Since you already know these "better" people, you can turn to them, but I don't see any reason to change other people their views on a streamer unless they want to change it themselves. If they need to find this "better" player, they will find it during their encounters :)
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  • Nyladreas
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    Well, streamers are usually entertaining to watch so people tend to watch with joy and copy their toughts or views on specific topics. For information from other people, you yourself should know who is a reliable source, but for newer players these streamers are very easy to watch and get somewhat good information from.

    Since you already know these "better" people, you can turn to them, but I don't see any reason to change other people their views on a streamer unless they want to change it themselves. If they need to find this "better" player, they will find it during their encounters :)

    I'm not directly trying to change anyone's perspective on streamers. I am merely sharing my thoughts and asking a question :) it's up to every individual to figure out what they like and want to watch or listen to.
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    It's called marketing
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    Nyladreas wrote: »
    people who decided to slap a camera in front of their face and make fools of themselves
    You don't sound bitter or jealous at all.
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    ccmedaddy wrote: »
    Nyladreas wrote: »
    people who decided to slap a camera in front of their face and make fools of themselves
    You don't sound bitter or jealous at all.

    I may sound bitter, which I don’t mean to, I'm not a native English speaker.

    Also, jealous of what exactly?
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    Successful streamers have good personalities & are essentially entertainers. I think that quality attracts more viewers than being "the best" player at any game.
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    dem0n1k wrote: »
    Successful streamers have good personalities & are essentially entertainers. I think that quality attracts more viewers than being "the best" player at any game.

    I understand that and I'm fully supporting that. If they're entertaining and get fame for that, good for them! :)

    However, I'm asking a different question here. Why are some people glorifying them as the ultimate masters :)
    Edited by Nyladreas on January 17, 2019 9:40PM
  • Leogon
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    Mindless people think they're the best and smart people know they're not. This is kinda like those "The most handsome man/beautiful woman on the planet" articles. Smart people know they're not the most handsome men/beautiful women on the planet because smart people know they only looked at famous people and not the entire planet.
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    Most people aren't even good enough to tell the difference between very good and great players.
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  • ShimmeringWitchy
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    Streamers, depending on their skill-set, are the equivalent of crappy musicians or "celebrities" who somehow maintain a so-called fame/popularity for no real talent and/or apparent reason. i.e. the Kardashians.

    I will say, however, that there are some talented streamers out there. It's just a matter of who is more flashy and sparkles on camera.
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    Nyladreas wrote: »
    dem0n1k wrote: »
    Successful streamers have good personalities & are essentially entertainers. I think that quality attracts more viewers than being "the best" player at any game.

    I understand that and I'm fully supporting that. If they're entertaining and get fame for that, good for them! :)

    However, I'm asking a different question here. Why are some people glorifying them as the ultimate masters :)

    I'm guessing it's because although the successful streamers might not be the best players, they are good players & many viewers would see them as much better than themselves. IF the viewer had never personally played against someone better.. they would probably think the streamer is among the best players.
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    A bit of a generalization in the title. In Fortnite, for example, the best players are generally also streamers. That is how they monetize their skill.

    In ESO, no one cares who the best players are. It isn't an e-sport. People care about who is entertaining and who is informative.

    A better question is why some people are bothered by what other people like?
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    nvm
    Edited by Loves_guars on January 17, 2019 9:59PM
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    Nyladreas wrote: »
    Cause they are in the public eye.

    People that are really good play the game and thats why they are good.

    I understand this. What I do NOT understand is what actually makes people believe they're good? It makes no sense to me.

    Also, quite ironically, the actually good players who DO stream as well are usually barely popular. Don't know anyone specifically in ESO like that but wow had plenty.


    To answer your question - Success

    Success makes anyone believe that they are "good" and 'qualified' in whatever endeavor you want to name.

    Now, my question to you is - Why do you care? What is it about streamers that irritates you sooooo much that you would bring this question to the forums?
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    DaveMoeDee wrote: »
    A bit of a generalization in the title. In Fortnite, for example, the best players are generally also streamers. That is how they monetize their skill.

    In ESO, no one cares who the best players are. It isn't an e-sport. People care about who is entertaining and who is informative.

    A better question is why some people are bothered by what other people like?

    I'm not bothered by the streamers being liked or popular. Not at all. I support that in fact.

    What I AM bothered by, is how they're being seen as exceptionally good, and why do people sometimes think that whatever they say must be right.

    There's nothing wrong with liking something for whatever reason. But to give someone credit for something they're not or to call someone the best when there are many better choices that remain unrecognized, is not something I can understand.
    Edited by Nyladreas on January 17, 2019 10:03PM
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    because people have become sheep



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