Is Sorcery Healing Viable for Vet Trials?

Lab3360

I have a sorcery pet healer max cp
Wearing Necro and Olerim and Icehearts.

Healing Skills

Healing Springs
Wing Twlight heals
Rapid Regen
Ulti Barrier.

Is Sorcery Healing Viable? If yes or no, please explain.

If u have improvements please share.

Tasear

Yes and I do it well.

Lab3360

Tasear wrote: »

Yes and I do it well.

Suweeet. Thank you.
Do you have any recommendations outside of the above build?

Tasear

Lab3360 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Yes and I do it well.

Suweeet. Thank you.
Do you have any recommendations outside of the above build?

Sure do

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349428/sorcerer-healers-collection-dragon-bones-updated-new-build-added#latest

^ the most notorious or famous build page for Sorc healing.

Lab3360

Tasear wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Yes and I do it well.

Suweeet. Thank you.
Do you have any recommendations outside of the above build?

Sure do

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349428/sorcerer-healers-collection-dragon-bones-updated-new-build-added#latest

^ the most notorious or famous build page for Sorc healing.

Lmao. I literally just commented on that very post. Check out last comment their pls.

Lab3360

Lab3360 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Yes and I do it well.

Suweeet. Thank you.
Do you have any recommendations outside of the above build?

Sure do

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349428/sorcerer-healers-collection-dragon-bones-updated-new-build-added#latest

^ the most notorious or famous build page for Sorc healing.

Lmao. I literally just commented on that very post. Check out last comment their pls.

Actually, it was this one.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/374466/sorc-healer/p1

Tasear

Lab3360 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Yes and I do it well.

Suweeet. Thank you.
Do you have any recommendations outside of the above build?

Sure do

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349428/sorcerer-healers-collection-dragon-bones-updated-new-build-added#latest

^ the most notorious or famous build page for Sorc healing.

Lmao. I literally just commented on that very post. Check out last comment their pls.

Actually, it was this one.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/374466/sorc-healer/p1

https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/how-to-play-sorcerer-healer/


This is better I don't know, yet if I want to update the other one in future.

Aliyavana

While sorcerer healing and any healing spec can arguably perform well in trials, the end game trials community is very into min maxing and might exclude you for the sake of min/maxing. (not that I agree with it)

Lab3360

Aliyavana wrote: »

While sorcerer healing and any healing spec can arguably perform well in trials, the end game trials community is very into min maxing and might exclude you for the sake of min/maxing. (not that I agree with it)

I will not run with those type of people. Imo They make the game not fun

RogueShark

I don't often run rapid regen/mutagen in trials just because you have 12 people to worry about and you the hot is rather limited, and so is your bar space.
My bars change up a bit depending on the trial and my co-healer, but generally looks like:

Boundless Storm, Energy Orbs, Twilight Matriarch, Blockade, Drain, Horn
Bone Surge/Empowered Ward, Healing Springs, Matriarch, Combat Prayer, Altar. Barrier

I'll swap out ele drain or shield or altar for other abilities, like purge or liquid lightning, as needed and depending on the content and co-healer (streak can be nice too if kiting).

Tasear

On that note Sorc healing is actually welcomed part of the min/maxing aka competitive players too. The reason is because minor prophecy and conduit synergy is needed but Sorc dps isn't per say needed. Sorc dps isn't needed because of light attack changes that effective the Sorc sustain in dps testing on the dummy. Competitively Sorc, Warden, and Templar have a place for healing. Dragon Knight is okay but still needs work. Nightblade needs love.

The recommended a healer

Elemental Drain (unless tank has it or other healer)
Elemental blockade ( as long as fire blockade > shock)
Orbs (either morph but energy is better because sorc doesn't have heals over time)
One synergy besides orbs

The rest is just extra as long as nobody dies.

Facefister

Get Necropotence and heal as much as two templar healers combined

Lab3360

Facefister wrote: »

Get Necropotence and heal as much as two templar healers combined

Thats what I run with Olerim

Tasear

necropotance and shalks is really a evil blast in pvp healing/support

ezio45

I would say its a mixed bag.

Magsorc is capable of healing and sorc does get 1 spot per trial in endgame usually.

Magsorc, dps or healer is mainly allowed there for off balance and minor prophecy. Its what they "bring to the table"

That being said most magsorc dps is being forced into an off healer role and there arnt many groups that will let a sorc main heal a trial. Templar is more suit to main heal because they just work better with the standard style of healing trials groups have come to expect.

Lab3360

ezio45 wrote: »

I would say its a mixed bag.

Magsorc is capable of healing and sorc does get 1 spot per trial in endgame usually.

Magsorc, dps or healer is mainly allowed there for off balance and minor prophecy. Its what they "bring to the table"

That being said most magsorc dps is being forced into an off healer role and there arnt many groups that will let a sorc main heal a trial. Templar is more suit to main heal because they just work better with the standard style of healing trials groups have come to expect.

I dont think anything is going to bring what templar brings to the table. Its a spray and play style easy mode healing class.

ccfeeling

Can Sorc healer replace the temp healer competely in high tier trial content ?

idk

Sorcs can heal trials fine though they are not the preference for progression.

However, a good raid lead will probably ask you to replace the necro set with something that helps the group (there are a variety of sets that are common for a healer to have).

Also, Aggressive Warhorn is the go to ult for healers in trial with sometimes using a damaging ult. In the case of Sorcs that damaging ult is likely to be the dStaff ult. iirc, barrier was nerfed to hit only 6 people making not so desirable for a 12 man group.

You will also want combat prayer from the rStaff, ele drain from dStaff and orbs from the Undaunted line . The first boosts damage while the last two help the group with sustain.

Healing in trials is more than just healing. Buffing, debuffing is a big part of it.

ezio45

Lab3360 wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

I would say its a mixed bag.

Magsorc is capable of healing and sorc does get 1 spot per trial in endgame usually.

Magsorc, dps or healer is mainly allowed there for off balance and minor prophecy. Its what they "bring to the table"

That being said most magsorc dps is being forced into an off healer role and there arnt many groups that will let a sorc main heal a trial. Templar is more suit to main heal because they just work better with the standard style of healing trials groups have come to expect.

I dont think anything is going to bring what templar brings to the table. Its a spray and play style easy mode healing class.

its more that the style for healing in eso has been build around templar. group make up ans how we run groups works well with templar

ezio45

idk wrote: »

Sorcs can heal trials fine though they are not the preference for progression.

However, a good raid lead will probably ask you to replace the necro set with something that helps the group (there are a variety of sets that are common for a healer to have).

Also, Aggressive Warhorn is the go to ult for healers in trial with sometimes using a damaging ult. In the case of Sorcs that damaging ult is likely to be the dStaff ult. iirc, barrier was nerfed to hit only 6 people making not so desirable for a 12 man group.

You will also want combat prayer from the rStaff, ele drain from dStaff and orbs from the Undaunted line . The first boosts damage while the last two help the group with sustain.

Healing in trials is more than just healing. Buffing, debuffing is a big part of it.

when tf did they nerf barrier >_< and why

warhorn and barrier are the only good alts for non dps roles.....

thats going on the " dumb decisions from zos that need to be changed" list.... more of a book at this point but whatever

Tasear

ccfeeling wrote: »

Can Sorc healer replace the temp healer competely in high tier trial content ?

As long as Sorc dps isn't needed. They can because they bring utility that sorc DPS should which is minor buff and synergy. This is what makes them competitive for end game competitive players. I personally think they have issues that will need looking at in future to restore the style of gameplay but thet can do everything a healer needs for endgame and competitive end game content.

Tasear

ezio45 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Sorcs can heal trials fine though they are not the preference for progression.

However, a good raid lead will probably ask you to replace the necro set with something that helps the group (there are a variety of sets that are common for a healer to have).

Also, Aggressive Warhorn is the go to ult for healers in trial with sometimes using a damaging ult. In the case of Sorcs that damaging ult is likely to be the dStaff ult. iirc, barrier was nerfed to hit only 6 people making not so desirable for a 12 man group.

You will also want combat prayer from the rStaff, ele drain from dStaff and orbs from the Undaunted line . The first boosts damage while the last two help the group with sustain.

Healing in trials is more than just healing. Buffing, debuffing is a big part of it.

when tf did they nerf barrier >_< and why

warhorn and barrier are the only good alts for non dps roles.....

thats going on the " dumb decisions from zos that need to be changed" list.... more of a book at this point but whatever

Metoeor for regain and Max Magicka
Overload for DPS and sustain
Temploral guard for minor protection and sustain
Resto ultimate for recovery of situation and dps boost

ccfeeling

Tasear wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

Can Sorc healer replace the temp healer competely in high tier trial content ?

As long as Sorc dps isn't needed. They can because they bring utility that sorc DPS should which is minor buff and synergy. This is what makes them competitive for end game competitive players. I personally think they have issues that will need looking at in future to restore the style of gameplay but thet can do everything a healer needs for endgame and competitive end game content.

Sounds cool , could you share your build ? I may change to healer from pet sorc dps .

Start from claglorn v-trial

idk

ezio45 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Sorcs can heal trials fine though they are not the preference for progression.

However, a good raid lead will probably ask you to replace the necro set with something that helps the group (there are a variety of sets that are common for a healer to have).

Also, Aggressive Warhorn is the go to ult for healers in trial with sometimes using a damaging ult. In the case of Sorcs that damaging ult is likely to be the dStaff ult. iirc, barrier was nerfed to hit only 6 people making not so desirable for a 12 man group.

You will also want combat prayer from the rStaff, ele drain from dStaff and orbs from the Undaunted line . The first boosts damage while the last two help the group with sustain.

Healing in trials is more than just healing. Buffing, debuffing is a big part of it.

when tf did they nerf barrier >_< and why

warhorn and barrier are the only good alts for non dps roles.....

thats going on the " dumb decisions from zos that need to be changed" list.... more of a book at this point but whatever

I stand corrected it seems. It may have been a change Zos reverted but they were looking at capping it at 6 targets. I have not seen it used in trials for a long time so I do not keep up with it.

FrancisCrawford

Suppose I threw together a semi-fake healer build that basically just provided emergency heals, Major Courage and Minor Magickasteal. along the lines of:

Earthgore
Spell Power Cure
Necropotence

2x Matriarch
2x Scamp
Daedric Prey
Lightning Blockade
Liquid Lightning
Elemental Drain
Mutagen
Ward Ally
Warhorn or other offensive ultimate
Resto ultimate

What content would that likely suffice for? What content wouldn't it work in? If the answer is different for Groupfinder PUGs and premade groups of the kind that commonly go 3 DD, by all means please specify.

To be clear, what I ACTUALLY do when I sorc heal is use gear like that, but remove the the melee pet x2 and Daedric Prey to make room for more healer skills , or sometimes Crushing Shock. With builds of that kind I've healed normal mode DLCs and medium-difficulty non-DLC HMs.

Nifty2g

Aliyavana wrote: »

While sorcerer healing and any healing spec can arguably perform well in trials, the end game trials community is very into min maxing and might exclude you for the sake of min/maxing. (not that I agree with it)

PvE is at a point where if something is ahead bring that instead and if something can do something just as well, then optimise around that instead. Sorc has pretty low DPS and whatever a Sorc DD can do the Healer can do as well which is why typically you'd have your healer play the Sorc so you can bring other classes in. Same goes for Templar.

Most positive side for the Sorc Healer is the amount of damage they can do, reliable synergy that deals damage as well as a skill that can proc by just healing and hit for 30kish on a healer. The only thing they lack compared to the other classes is good sustain. So yeah that's partly why some classes are used over others. ZOS needs to bring back the class synergies and uniqueness otherwise it's going to stay like this for awhile

But for this question, yes they can heal but they're not the best of healers on their own, they are good healers when paired with a certain group comp. The best healers on their own would be a Templar or Warden. Cause if you're just doing random dailies and get grouped up with a Sorcerer DD, that kind of ruins the whole point of Sorcerer Healers in the first place. But it doesn't really matter.

Runschei

I don't heal much myself, but I had a khajjit sorc heal me through vMoL with no problem so I don't mind sorc healers as long as they know what they're doing. But then again, that applies for everyone

Beardimus

+1 for @Tasear s Sorc healing knowledge its second to none. Also, sorc healing is just more fun i find

Tasear

ccfeeling wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

Can Sorc healer replace the temp healer competely in high tier trial content ?

As long as Sorc dps isn't needed. They can because they bring utility that sorc DPS should which is minor buff and synergy. This is what makes them competitive for end game competitive players. I personally think they have issues that will need looking at in future to restore the style of gameplay but thet can do everything a healer needs for endgame and competitive end game content.

Sounds cool , could you share your build ? I may change to healer from pet sorc dps .

Start from claglorn v-trial

Builds
Sorc Trial Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=90740
Sorc Dungeon Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=91310
Sorc Dungeon Healer (Easy Version): https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=91335
Sorc PvP Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=78983
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DK Dungeon Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=101376
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Warden Dungeon Healer:https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=92350
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Sorc Dungeon Tank: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=78878
DK Dungeon Tank: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=83069

I am experimenting things but what competitive groups want is usually conduct, and minor prophecy proc. I personally think jorvulds should be on the sorc in groups as it's the one with ultimate cost reduction. So the typical jorvulds/olo work.

Zelos

Yea Its great honestly, I learned how to pet sorc heal from the best magsorc healer back in like thieves guild.

ccfeeling

Tasear wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

Can Sorc healer replace the temp healer competely in high tier trial content ?

As long as Sorc dps isn't needed. They can because they bring utility that sorc DPS should which is minor buff and synergy. This is what makes them competitive for end game competitive players. I personally think they have issues that will need looking at in future to restore the style of gameplay but thet can do everything a healer needs for endgame and competitive end game content.

Sounds cool , could you share your build ? I may change to healer from pet sorc dps .

Start from claglorn v-trial

Builds
Sorc Trial Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=90740
Sorc Dungeon Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=91310
Sorc Dungeon Healer (Easy Version): https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=91335
Sorc PvP Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=78983
----
DK Dungeon Healer: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=101376
---
Warden Dungeon Healer:https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=92350
========
Sorc Dungeon Tank: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=78878
DK Dungeon Tank: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=83069

I am experimenting things but what competitive groups want is usually conduct, and minor prophecy proc. I personally think jorvulds should be on the sorc in groups as it's the one with ultimate cost reduction. So the typical jorvulds/olo work.

Noted with thanks.

Mend spirit? I have never see healer run this skill, hows it working in trial?