Ranged pve dps Options...what do we have?

Joxer61

Ok, Given the few responses I have gotten on other posts in regards to magdens, Im gonna just throw this out there and see if it sticks and if so, who on!
After finding that playing a melee (stam?) class just isn't working for me, for various reasons I wont bore you all with, what do people reckon is the....man I hate this word....but, "best" ranged dps class going at the moment? Leaving Sorc's out as I just cant get into to playing them (have one maxed...meh) it leaves Templars and Nightblades or the ever hard hitting Yogi bow/bow build. I recall seeing a lot of tears on here in regards to NB's so did they get , dare I say it, another crappy word, "nerfed" and if so was it magika or stam? I emjoyed NB such much to a point that I was keen to tank on him so maybe turn it into a magblade and don't look back?
And yes, I KNOW stam classes are uber and kick ass and all the above....its just not an option sadly. I can play my stamDK in trials with pretty decent success so there is that but for a toon that I can play everything else and not be on my face....I guess I am asking, magplar or magblade? Templars got some love did they not so yea.....maybe that's the best option. I shall venture out and see what "sticks" allt he while still giving my magden a fair go as well. You never know, just might be what I am looking for!
Cheers!!!!

Protossyder

Yes

Sparr0w

In a perfect scenario it goes

1. MagPlar
2. MagBlade
3. MagDK
4. MagSorc
5. MagDen

In a non-perfect scenario just swap MagPlar and MagBlade around.

Magblade's have the hardest rotation tho, MagSorc, MagDen and MagPlar being the easiest.

Joxer61

Sparr0w wrote: »

In a perfect scenario it goes

1. MagPlar
2. MagBlade
3. MagDK
4. MagSorc
5. MagDen

In a non-perfect scenario just swap MagPlar and MagBlade around.

Magblade's have the hardest rotation tho, MagSorc, MagDen and MagPlar being the easiest.

how does this apply to strictly ranged dps?

Royaji

If you really want a "strictly ranged" and "the best" - go magblade or go home.

Joxer61

Royaji wrote: »

If you really want a "strictly ranged" and "the best" - go magblade or go home.

cheers!! Just rolled one
...event and all...lol
any good builds around? (non alcast)

JobooAGS

Royaji wrote: »

If you really want a "strictly ranged" and "the best" - go magblade or go home.

If you are using soul harvest, you arent strictly ranged

idk

Sparr0w wrote: »

In a perfect scenario it goes

1. MagPlar
2. MagBlade
3. MagDK
4. MagSorc
5. MagDen

In a non-perfect scenario just swap MagPlar and MagBlade around.

Magblade's have the hardest rotation tho, MagSorc, MagDen and MagPlar being the easiest.

Yes, but magDKs should be last as they are the worst ranged magicka class in the game. Bow/Bow with any class may be better. Not sure why they are even in a list in the context of this thread.

Iskiab

Sparr0w wrote: »

In a perfect scenario it goes

1. MagPlar
2. MagBlade
3. MagDK
4. MagSorc
5. MagDen

In a non-perfect scenario just swap MagPlar and MagBlade around.

Magblade's have the hardest rotation tho, MagSorc, MagDen and MagPlar being the easiest.

This is correct but I'd say even in an imperfect situations magplars have an advantage due to group utility. MagPlars are extremely powerful this patch. A magblade provides nothing but single target dps. A magplar has; the same single target dps, better aoe dps, can use Ritual of Retribution without losing dps, and an aura to help group sustain (in limited situations). Magplars are like magblades plus you get other benefits.

kathandira

Joxer61 wrote: »

Ok, Given the few responses I have gotten on other posts in regards to magdens, Im gonna just throw this out there and see if it sticks and if so, who on!
After finding that playing a melee (stam?) class just isn't working for me, for various reasons I wont bore you all with, what do people reckon is the....man I hate this word....but, "best" ranged dps class going at the moment? Leaving Sorc's out as I just cant get into to playing them (have one maxed...meh) it leaves Templars and Nightblades or the ever hard hitting Yogi bow/bow build. I recall seeing a lot of tears on here in regards to NB's so did they get , dare I say it, another crappy word, "nerfed" and if so was it magika or stam? I emjoyed NB such much to a point that I was keen to tank on him so maybe turn it into a magblade and don't look back?
And yes, I KNOW stam classes are uber and kick ass and all the above....its just not an option sadly. I can play my stamDK in trials with pretty decent success so there is that but for a toon that I can play everything else and not be on my face....I guess I am asking, magplar or magblade? Templars got some love did they not so yea.....maybe that's the best option. I shall venture out and see what "sticks" allt he while still giving my magden a fair go as well. You never know, just might be what I am looking for!
Cheers!!!!

I've really been enjoying my MagBlade. They are very easy mechanics wise, and really pump out some nice DPS.

Donny_Vito

Iskiab wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

In a perfect scenario it goes

1. MagPlar
2. MagBlade
3. MagDK
4. MagSorc
5. MagDen

In a non-perfect scenario just swap MagPlar and MagBlade around.

Magblade's have the hardest rotation tho, MagSorc, MagDen and MagPlar being the easiest.

This is correct but I'd say even in an imperfect situations magplars have an advantage due to group utility. MagPlars are extremely powerful this patch. A magblade provides nothing but single target dps. A magplar has; the same single target dps, better aoe dps, can use Ritual of Retribution without losing dps, and an aura to help group sustain (in limited situations). Magplars are like magblades plus you get other benefits.

If you're using Ritual of Retribution, then of course you are losing some DPS. That's one less "offensive" spell (Ele weapon, swallow soul, etc..) that you're using in lieu-of a "defensive" spell. MagBlades typically do more DPS than MagPlars (perfect world) but there is some truth that the MagPlar does have a little more utility.

BooPerScOOper

Joxer61 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

If you really want a "strictly ranged" and "the best" - go magblade or go home.

cheers!! Just rolled one
...event and all...lol
any good builds around? (non alcast)

in short.... no.... Alcast/Liko/Lane= meta (basically all testers zero in on the same gear)

Monster (1 heavy 1 medium):
-Zaan
-Valkyn
-Grothdarr

Gear:
-Siroria
-Spell Strat
-Mothers Sorrow
-Burning Spellweave
-Master Architect
-Scathing Mage
-Julianos

kathandira

JobooAGS wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

If you really want a "strictly ranged" and "the best" - go magblade or go home.

If you are using soul harvest, you arent strictly ranged

True. But I also have a rule that even if you are ranged, you should stay within 10m of the enemy for the sake of healing and keeping things near the tank.

I'd still count

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

If you really want a "strictly ranged" and "the best" - go magblade or go home.

cheers!! Just rolled one
...event and all...lol
any good builds around? (non alcast)

in short.... no.... Alcast/Liko/Lane= meta (basically all testers zero in on the same gear)

Monster (1 heavy 1 medium):
-Zaan
-Valkyn
-Grothdarr

Gear:
-Siroria
-Spell Strat
-Mothers Sorrow
-Burning Spellweave
-Master Architect
-Scathing Mage
-Julianos

Basically. This can basically be copied to just about any Mag build for any of the classes.

For example, Mother's Sorrow and Julianos is a good base combo that will perform well enough to do anything PvE wise outside of Vet Trials. No proc's to worry about, and the pure stats are great for any magicka based build.

Going to add Spinners to your list for those who are looking for Penetration.

JobooAGS

kathandira wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

If you really want a "strictly ranged" and "the best" - go magblade or go home.

If you are using soul harvest, you arent strictly ranged

True. But I also have a rule that even if you are ranged, you should stay within 10m of the enemy for the sake of healing and keeping things near the tank.

I'd still count

BooPerScOOper wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

If you really want a "strictly ranged" and "the best" - go magblade or go home.

cheers!! Just rolled one
...event and all...lol
any good builds around? (non alcast)

in short.... no.... Alcast/Liko/Lane= meta (basically all testers zero in on the same gear)

Monster (1 heavy 1 medium):
-Zaan
-Valkyn
-Grothdarr

Gear:
-Siroria
-Spell Strat
-Mothers Sorrow
-Burning Spellweave
-Master Architect
-Scathing Mage
-Julianos

Basically. This can basically be copied to just about any Mag build for any of the classes.

For example, Mother's Sorrow and Julianos is a good base combo that will perform well enough to do anything PvE wise outside of Vet Trials. No proc's to worry about, and the pure stats are great for any magicka based build.

Going to add Spinners to your list for those who are looking for Penetration.

Doesnt soul harvest have a 5m range still? Though you can still go in and out to hit it (may be a danger to melee in bosses with anti stacking mechanics)

kathandira

JobooAGS wrote: »

Doesnt soul harvest have a 5m range still? Though you can still go in and out to hit it (may be a danger to melee in bosses with anti stacking mechanics)

Not sure about 5m, but it is totally a melee attack.

And anti stacking bosses, you are totally right. But I figured that is a given ; )

JobooAGS

kathandira wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Doesnt soul harvest have a 5m range still? Though you can still go in and out to hit it (may be a danger to melee in bosses with anti stacking mechanics)

Not sure about 5m, but it is totally a melee attack.

And anti stacking bosses, you are totally right. But I figured that is a given ; )

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Death_Stroke If you can trust this website, here it is... otherwise a quick trip online should suffice once we log in

kathandira

JobooAGS wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

Doesnt soul harvest have a 5m range still? Though you can still go in and out to hit it (may be a danger to melee in bosses with anti stacking mechanics)

Not sure about 5m, but it is totally a melee attack.

And anti stacking bosses, you are totally right. But I figured that is a given ; )

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Death_Stroke If you can trust this website, here it is... otherwise a quick trip online should suffice once we log in

I usually use ESO Academy, which confirms 5m range on Soul Harvest

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

In a perfect scenario it goes

1. MagPlar
2. MagBlade
3. MagDK
4. MagSorc
5. MagDen

In a non-perfect scenario just swap MagPlar and MagBlade around.

Magblade's have the hardest rotation tho, MagSorc, MagDen and MagPlar being the easiest.

This is correct but I'd say even in an imperfect situations magplars have an advantage due to group utility. MagPlars are extremely powerful this patch. A magblade provides nothing but single target dps. A magplar has; the same single target dps, better aoe dps, can use Ritual of Retribution without losing dps, and an aura to help group sustain (in limited situations). Magplars are like magblades plus you get other benefits.

If you're using Ritual of Retribution, then of course you are losing some DPS. That's one less "offensive" spell (Ele weapon, swallow soul, etc..) that you're using in lieu-of a "defensive" spell. MagBlades typically do more DPS than MagPlars (perfect world) but there is some truth that the MagPlar does have a little more utility.

Yes, I would like to see this "without loseing DPS" when using ritual of retribution.