Help me get gud with magplar

Hunharibo

I need you all to tell me how to play magplar guys. I cant make magplar work, although its my main, been first char since beta, has max cp, all nice equipment. I am slow af, cant really kite even with mist. I can go tanky with heavy armor but without a nice hot, all you can do is block and spam bol under heavy pressure and you cant go offensive, no window. Not to mention than in order to be that tanky you need to sacrifice offensive sets and even when you get some ult for smthing like bats its damage is often not that impressive. Sweeps are so easy to miss with, i dont even know when i saw all 4 of its hits hit the same target in 1 channel. Is there something that i need to "get" here that i am missing or what?
Thanks.

Syiccal

firstly wear light armour, you arnt gonna kill anyone except potatoes in heavy.
use lightning staff/ s+b.
your dmg comes from light armour passivs and possibly 1 offensive set, you will definitly need at least 1 defensive set, imo pirate skeleton is bis here.
Run total dark on your defensive bar and use it to shut down burst from an attacking player this giving you a window to get off that bar.
only really use sweeps when you have stunned the enemy and have your other dots running.
ults are a preference again but imo shooting star is nice if you land the stun first for hitting huge burst.
kiting can be achieved by animation cancelling mist form to give snare removal and major expedition

Brutusmax1mus

Use that skill that makes your health go up and the other one that makes enemies die. I like to kill before they kill me.

usmguy1234

Hunharibo wrote: »

I need you all to tell me how to play magplar guys. I cant make magplar work, although its my main, been first char since beta, has max cp, all nice equipment. I am slow af, cant really kite even with mist. I can go tanky with heavy armor but without a nice hot, all you can do is block and spam bol under heavy pressure and you cant go offensive, no window. Not to mention than in order to be that tanky you need to sacrifice offensive sets and even when you get some ult for smthing like bats its damage is often not that impressive. Sweeps are so easy to miss with, i dont even know when i saw all 4 of its hits hit the same target in 1 channel. Is there something that i need to "get" here that i am missing or what?
Thanks.

What are you calling nice equipment? I atleast need your gear layout for context. A gear problem is the easiest thing to fix... skill, that's another story.

Hunharibo

In my opinion gear is a big shuffle. You always adjust to new patches etc. I have tried everything along the timeline of this game, followed the meta patch to patch. I have tried everything everyone has tried, shackle, amber, lich, pariah, wizards, rattle, spinner whatever you name it - liiterally. I am not a complete noob, i am a seasoned average PVP-er, i have millions of unused AP. You adjust your gear to your playstyle.
What I am asking specifically is how do you handle extreme, coordinated pressure from like 2-3 enemies and recover and do so in such a build that your damage in return is not insignificant.

Syiccal

Hunharibo wrote: »

In my opinion gear is a big shuffle. You always adjust to new patches etc. I have tried everything along the timeline of this game, followed the meta patch to patch. I have tried everything everyone has tried, shackle, amber, lich, pariah, wizards, rattle, spinner whatever you name it - liiterally. I am not a complete noob, i am a seasoned average PVP-er, i have millions of unused AP. You adjust your gear to your playstyle.
What I am asking specifically is how do you handle extreme, coordinated pressure from like 2-3 enemies and recover and do so in such a build that your damage in return is not insignificant.

you don't!! the only ppl you can 1vx is noobs. nobody is 1vxing players of equal skill.

Baconlad

Magplar are extremely versatile.

My personal favorite setup is desert rose, bloodspawn, transmutation, overwhelming surge, skoria, or wizards riposte. Lightning staff, DW, SnB or resto work. Mix and match I would really suggest you slot desert rose and swap the rest as you see fit. Desert rose and mist form go together like white on rice...amazing.

When ur fighting, just stay close to a rock of LOS just in case. Once you find a set up you like, STICK WITH IT. Testing takes multiple hours before you fully grasp any changes to ur build.

FrancisCrawford

Syiccal wrote: »

firstly wear light armour, you arnt gonna kill anyone except potatoes in heavy.
use lightning staff/ s+b.
your dmg comes from light armour passivs and possibly 1 offensive set, you will definitly need at least 1 defensive set, imo pirate skeleton is bis here.
Run total dark on your defensive bar and use it to shut down burst from an attacking player this giving you a window to get off that bar.
only really use sweeps when you have stunned the enemy and have your other dots running.
ults are a preference again but imo shooting star is nice if you land the stun first for hitting huge burst.
kiting can be achieved by animation cancelling mist form to give snare removal and major expedition

Can Total Dark be placed on more than one enemy at once?

Syiccal

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

firstly wear light armour, you arnt gonna kill anyone except potatoes in heavy.
use lightning staff/ s+b.
your dmg comes from light armour passivs and possibly 1 offensive set, you will definitly need at least 1 defensive set, imo pirate skeleton is bis here.
Run total dark on your defensive bar and use it to shut down burst from an attacking player this giving you a window to get off that bar.
only really use sweeps when you have stunned the enemy and have your other dots running.
ults are a preference again but imo shooting star is nice if you land the stun first for hitting huge burst.
kiting can be achieved by animation cancelling mist form to give snare removal and major expedition

Can Total Dark be placed on more than one enemy at once? (Presumably, this is more of a PvE issue, but I thought I'd ask here anyway.)

yes it can

Minno

Syiccal wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

firstly wear light armour, you arnt gonna kill anyone except potatoes in heavy.
use lightning staff/ s+b.
your dmg comes from light armour passivs and possibly 1 offensive set, you will definitly need at least 1 defensive set, imo pirate skeleton is bis here.
Run total dark on your defensive bar and use it to shut down burst from an attacking player this giving you a window to get off that bar.
only really use sweeps when you have stunned the enemy and have your other dots running.
ults are a preference again but imo shooting star is nice if you land the stun first for hitting huge burst.
kiting can be achieved by animation cancelling mist form to give snare removal and major expedition

Can Total Dark be placed on more than one enemy at once? (Presumably, this is more of a PvE issue, but I thought I'd ask here anyway.)

yes it can

but you will grant all those targets cc immunity.

Just be mindful you arent casting it on a target your ally is trying to CC burst down.

Syiccal

Minno wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

firstly wear light armour, you arnt gonna kill anyone except potatoes in heavy.
use lightning staff/ s+b.
your dmg comes from light armour passivs and possibly 1 offensive set, you will definitly need at least 1 defensive set, imo pirate skeleton is bis here.
Run total dark on your defensive bar and use it to shut down burst from an attacking player this giving you a window to get off that bar.
only really use sweeps when you have stunned the enemy and have your other dots running.
ults are a preference again but imo shooting star is nice if you land the stun first for hitting huge burst.
kiting can be achieved by animation cancelling mist form to give snare removal and major expedition

Can Total Dark be placed on more than one enemy at once? (Presumably, this is more of a PvE issue, but I thought I'd ask here anyway.)

yes it can

but you will grant all those targets cc immunity.

Just be mindful you arent casting it on a target your ally is trying to CC burst down.

yea i onpy use it for defensive measures, reach is my go to cc

fred4

I was running DW / ice staff for some time and had the same problem. I am now running Lightning / resto. Lightning works out as good or better for damage. I run a vMA resto and Mutagen to get some healing over time into the class. Other measures include:

Infused Absorb Health enchant on destro
Tri pots or lingering health pots
Total Dark
Resto ult (obviously)
Steed mundus
Clockwork Citrus Fillet
Degeneration (hey, every little helps)

Set wise, I've gone with Pirate + Amber Plasm + A.N.Other. I still find stam sustain tight without tri-pots, so I'm torn about the lingering pots. My front bar set is another damage set, Spell Strategist or Spinner. All Protective jewelry.

I duelled a player who used Spinner with Transmutation back bar, Master lightning staff front bar and Shadowrend, which was strong in duels. Overwhelming Surge seems to be popular; it hits NBs in cloak. Bottom line, 2 light damage / sustain sets with Pirate + Protective jewelry and some HOT feels decent. I'm not accomplished enough to successfully 1vX very often on any class, but I'm happy I made the switch away from blocking and risk of Honor the Dead spamming. I use that skill far less now. You could argue block + burst heal would work better, if tankier, but I find magplar damage takes a nosedive in heavy. I play in CP.

SugaComa

Syiccal wrote: »

firstly wear light armour, you arnt gonna kill anyone except potatoes in heavy.
use lightning staff/ s+b.
your dmg comes from light armour passivs and possibly 1 offensive set, you will definitly need at least 1 defensive set, imo pirate skeleton is bis here.
Run total dark on your defensive bar and use it to shut down burst from an attacking player this giving you a window to get off that bar.
only really use sweeps when you have stunned the enemy and have your other dots running.
ults are a preference again but imo shooting star is nice if you land the stun first for hitting huge burst.
kiting can be achieved by animation cancelling mist form to give snare removal and major expedition

Lots of good information here ... But personally I don't like TD ... The cc immunity it grants can hurt you ...

For me back bar self buffs and heals

Two mage guild ability
Three Templar healing damage mitigation skills
SnB

Front bar is offence lightening preferred
Vamp bane and purifying light to open
Toppling charge to gap close and stun
Sweeps to damage and self heal
Jesus beam to finish if they're not dead already

Sets...

Sloads, calurrians , knight slayer, wizards riposte, transmutation ,spell power cure ,warmaiden, innate axiom, amberplasm, shackle breaker and overwhelming surge are all good sets to mix n match together

Skoria , mighty chudan, pirates skelly, and slimecraw are good monster sets

My advice is start of with at least two defence one offence set and practice switching between bars ... As you get more confident with your ability, switch to another offence set eventually you should get to 3 offencive sets ... Carry multiple sets so in BGs you can switch it up if you need to be more tanky or more offencive


For ultimate I prefer undo from psijic skill line on my defense bar and comet on my offence but go what you fancy

I also prefer not to be a vampire