If you would start a tank today, would you choose Warden or Dragonknight?

ESO_Nightingale

Warden

Thalidar wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Thalidar wrote: »

Just made a Nord Warden for my first tank and loving it in both open world and dungeons. Just hit Level 47 after completing SCP and had no tanking issues at all in any dungeon, so in my opinion it's still really good.

It's probably an advantage for me that I haven't played one before, so I've just used what I believe is best and unlocked so far. Vs those who are use to the old skills and how they handled.

Nb: I use SnB on front and 2H on back with utilities. Bear/permafrost as ults.

So it does everything I've expected, has been a lot fun.

Nb: Also gonna start an ice warden tank using staves once the CP jump occurs so it'll be interesting to see how they compare.

a staff and snb? or just staves? you will be disappointing if you choose only staves.

@eso_nightingale Hmm. I guess both then but then what stats would I use? Would it still be mainly health or mag focus?

Cheers

i would do a normal amount but a little more magicka.

Swifigames

Dragonknight

I made a Bosmer Warden recently who I first made into a tank. It worked well enough to do stuff I guess.
But I had recently turned that character into a stamina dps. Since I had a baby Argonian Dragonknight ready to go for the Witches Festival along with two additional baby toons, I pushed to CP on the Argonian after finishing those other two.

Now I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to tanking...I'm also somehow not convinced that experience in that department would even make much of a difference unless you're just trying to get hardcore. It was more fun to play the Warden Tank to me personally, but the Dragonknight's class specific skills are basically just perfect in comparison, I like Fiery Grip more than Frozen Gate. To be completely honest I was dying for FG after trying FG

Anyway, I like DK Tank>Warden Tank, but I'm just a rookie
Also, I really want an Argonian Healer and a Dragonknight that's not Argonian...oh yeah, and a Redguard Stamina build of some sort too...where the hell is Santa when you need him!?!

ihazzit

Nope.

zaria

Dragonknight

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

Actually just recently leveled DK tank to 50. Choice was based on the amount of defensive class skills.

Warden seems more fun to play as a dps.

Same here, made an DK tank, has an warden I might turn into an tank to, also has another DK but since never tanked before I wanted an new character.

VaxtinTheWolf

Are those two my only options? Considering what's in my character list and all..

Personally I would choose Warden because it's not the all standard and expected Dragonknight Tank. I simply will not have a tank that is a Dragonknight and I would use it as a DPS or Healer instead, because that's just what I'd do. Same reasoning for me not making a Templar Healer, it's what people expect and desire for so long that it's not interesting to me.

Jeremy

Dragonknight

Gulnagel wrote: »

Please if you got time explain why?

I got a warden main (DPS) that pulls good numbers, but I've always liked tanking, played one in ffxiv in all the hardest content and im now thinking of changing since it's so few tanks in this game. But I want the best start.

I know what you are thinking "If you want the best why the he'll did you roll a warden for dps". Well I've always had a feeling that they would fix warden and now stamden is in a good place even tho it has taken way longer than I had anticipated, before that I did the best with what I was given holding on to the hope still pulling enough numbers for hardest content.

But playing a warden for so long now makes me want to min-max from the beginning since we wardens have lived in the shadows for so long (in pve) just looking at the history on leaderboards and the lack of wardens brings me an unpleasant feeling.

So now I don't want a 2nd, 3rd or 4th place choice master of nothing character. If Wardens and Dragonknights are equals I'm fine with that but no more 2nd place.

I only choose between Warden and Dragonknight because of utility that fits tanking.

Help appreciated 🙂

I'd roll a dragon knight. Being able to pull ranged enemies toward you and CC groups looks very nice as a tank.

That being said: I don't know much about warden tanks.

ccfeeling

Dragonknight

For guild and friends

MaxJrFTW

Warden

I'd pick a warden just because i like to challenge myself. I usually go for the underdog. Dk is better though.

HaruKamui

Warden

i like ice more than fire

OrdoHermetica

Dragonknight

I already have a fully leveled vet Trials-ready Warden tank, so I'd start a DK so I could add some diversity to my tanking toolbox.

OrdoHermetica

Dragonknight

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

I'd pick a warden just because i like to challenge myself. I usually go for the underdog. Dk is better though.

DK is better at main tanking, but Warden makes for a better off-tank, hands down.

Morgul667

Dragonknight

Dk for tank
Templar for heal

Sad but true

Gulnagel

Dragonknight clearly is the winner here, but question is, if it's just because it's what people know or is it because Dragonknight is simply better. Someone mentioned engulfing flames as the 1 thing that makes DK better (what happens if it gets nerfed?).

If I would have made a poll about what stam dps to choose I guess warden would be out of question to(pve).

I have to think about this..

Runschei

Dragonknight

I just cannot get myself to play a bear loving, flower licking frost fanatic >.<

dtsharples

Dragonknight

For the more difficult 4 man content I would take a DK every single time.
For Trials, you could go with a Warden and play 'Off-Tank' as they offer so many useful buffs for the group. So long as your main Tank is a DK.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Warden

I have tanked on both to decent levels (skin runs and some vet trials) and for most content i honestly prefer Warden tanking.

If i know spawns i can prepare my 3 portals ahead for ad stacking and then find my main tanking concern (big ads/bosses). This is more efficient than chains but again relies on being an experienced tank.

Both styles have their major up sides though.

DK's are much better to learn to tank on because they are much more forgiving resources wise due to battle roar and their Earthen Heart tree overall is a gods sent gift for their tanking.

Wardens give so much more group utility and freedom with setups. In most dungeons (even some DLC's on vet) you can be both the healer and the tank, even without slotting trees.

When built correctly both sit very high on the scale for tankyness, utility and support. It just becomes a preference of playstyle at that point.

FrancisCrawford

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

I have tanked on both to decent levels (skin runs and some vet trials) and for most content i honestly prefer Warden tanking.

If i know spawns i can prepare my 3 portals ahead for ad stacking and then find my main tanking concern (big ads/bosses). This is more efficient than chains but again relies on being an experienced tank.

Both styles have their major up sides though.

DK's are much better to learn to tank on because they are much more forgiving resources wise due to battle roar and their Earthen Heart tree overall is a gods sent gift for their tanking.

Wardens give so much more group utility and freedom with setups. In most dungeons (even some DLC's on vet) you can be both the healer and the tank, even without slotting trees.

When built correctly both sit very high on the scale for tankyness, utility and support. It just becomes a preference of playstyle at that point.

What kind of stats, roughly, does one have on a warden expected to both tank and heal? (Argonian is a fine race to assume, since I recently leveled one of those. )

dtsharples

Dragonknight

I also run Warden as Tank / Healer for non DLC Vet Dungeons.
It makes daily pledges a doddle as you can have 3 full DDs nuking everything.
It does work in some DLC dungeons, but some are a bit tricky to juggle.

Personally I use Willows Path + Twice-Born Star. Both crafted, so you can perfect the armour weight + trait as you require (definitely recommend 5-1-1 + the Undaunted Passive buff.)
Unusual combo in any other situation, but it works well for what I need it to do. And you can change mundus depending on which dungeon you are doing.

I Enchant my large pieces + Shield in Tri-Stat, the smaller 4 in Stamina.
2 Block cost reduction on Jewelry + 1 Increased Armour.
Infused Crusher on Weapons.
Purple Tri-Stat Food.
*You will need to do some PVP to get the Vigour Skill, this will be your main HOT and you apply it whenever it runs out (5seconds?) Go for the yellow one with the larger radius.
You'll also obviously want the Warden healing forest ultimate. If you use the Bloodspawn undaunted Hat, you'll be swimming in ultimate, and can keep the ultimate up on any necessary fight.
For boss fights, the Healing Well is a god-send, definitely worth using that.

The ability to use a Frost Staff for your taunt means you can restore both Stamina + Magika as you prefer, and means you can be a viable tank even when situations get difficult, and you'd ordinarily run out of a resource.
Being an Argonian is just great for the potion passive, and you could alternatively swap a block cost ring enchant for either a potion effect, or potion cooldown enchant instead.

My Attributes I split evenly between all 3 stats, you don't need that much HP, even as a tank, except for some of the DLC dungeons mentioned above.
When tanking DLC Dungeons I usually switch out Twice-Born for Plague Doctor, as it makes your HP skyrocket

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Warden

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

I have tanked on both to decent levels (skin runs and some vet trials) and for most content i honestly prefer Warden tanking.

If i know spawns i can prepare my 3 portals ahead for ad stacking and then find my main tanking concern (big ads/bosses). This is more efficient than chains but again relies on being an experienced tank.

Both styles have their major up sides though.

DK's are much better to learn to tank on because they are much more forgiving resources wise due to battle roar and their Earthen Heart tree overall is a gods sent gift for their tanking.

Wardens give so much more group utility and freedom with setups. In most dungeons (even some DLC's on vet) you can be both the healer and the tank, even without slotting trees.

When built correctly both sit very high on the scale for tankyness, utility and support. It just becomes a preference of playstyle at that point.

What kind of stats, roughly, does one have on a warden expected to both tank and heal? (Argonian is a fine race to assume, since I recently leveled one of those. )

Most of that is skill selection. I sit on 46.6k health on an imperial warden without minor toughness, 2.2k magicka regen with pot up and i run efficient purge and polar winds and back bar the healing ult.

Most of the healing comes from light attacks with the secondary effect of lotus. Big burst heals from polar winds as needed.

You can also use certain sets in jewellery and weapons, like Spell Power Cure or Draugr's Rest or even Sanctuary to further buff the heals.

It takes DPS who know their spots and mechs but a good team can pull it off no dramas.

It's much easier to pull this off with wardens.

max_only

Warden

Jeremy wrote: »

Gulnagel wrote: »

Please if you got time explain why?

I got a warden main (DPS) that pulls good numbers, but I've always liked tanking, played one in ffxiv in all the hardest content and im now thinking of changing since it's so few tanks in this game. But I want the best start.

I know what you are thinking "If you want the best why the he'll did you roll a warden for dps". Well I've always had a feeling that they would fix warden and now stamden is in a good place even tho it has taken way longer than I had anticipated, before that I did the best with what I was given holding on to the hope still pulling enough numbers for hardest content.

But playing a warden for so long now makes me want to min-max from the beginning since we wardens have lived in the shadows for so long (in pve) just looking at the history on leaderboards and the lack of wardens brings me an unpleasant feeling.

So now I don't want a 2nd, 3rd or 4th place choice master of nothing character. If Wardens and Dragonknights are equals I'm fine with that but no more 2nd place.

I only choose between Warden and Dragonknight because of utility that fits tanking.

Help appreciated 🙂

I'd roll a dragon knight. Being able to pull ranged enemies toward you and CC groups looks very nice as a tank.

That being said: I don't know much about warden tanks.

You can do those two things as a warden.

Frozen device is the best “chain” skill in the game right now. Even if you don’t use Frozen Device, everyone has access to Silver Leash. My Dk uses Silver Leash because it’s stamina based and I can spam it where as Dk chains is magica based and he barely has enough magicka to apply his buffs.

Gripping shards is the group CC. Artic Blast used to be the icing on the cake because it applied “chill” effect.


This confirms my suspicion that people voting Dragonknight just don’t know anything about Warden.

FrancisCrawford

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

I have tanked on both to decent levels (skin runs and some vet trials) and for most content i honestly prefer Warden tanking.

If i know spawns i can prepare my 3 portals ahead for ad stacking and then find my main tanking concern (big ads/bosses). This is more efficient than chains but again relies on being an experienced tank.

Both styles have their major up sides though.

DK's are much better to learn to tank on because they are much more forgiving resources wise due to battle roar and their Earthen Heart tree overall is a gods sent gift for their tanking.

Wardens give so much more group utility and freedom with setups. In most dungeons (even some DLC's on vet) you can be both the healer and the tank, even without slotting trees.

When built correctly both sit very high on the scale for tankyness, utility and support. It just becomes a preference of playstyle at that point.

What kind of stats, roughly, does one have on a warden expected to both tank and heal? (Argonian is a fine race to assume, since I recently leveled one of those. )

Most of that is skill selection. I sit on 46.6k health on an imperial warden without minor toughness, 2.2k magicka regen with pot up and i run efficient purge and polar winds and back bar the healing ult.

Most of the healing comes from light attacks with the secondary effect of lotus. Big burst heals from polar winds as needed.

You can also use certain sets in jewellery and weapons, like Spell Power Cure or Draugr's Rest or even Sanctuary to further buff the heals.

It takes DPS who know their spots and mechs but a good team can pull it off no dramas.

It's much easier to pull this off with wardens.

Ahh. Not the traditional magicka-based heals then.

Uh -- is Lotus health-based?

max_only

Warden

Runschei wrote: »

I just cannot get myself to play a bear loving, flower licking frost fanatic >.<

There are no bears or flowers when tanking as a Warden.

Leeching vines is the heal when you are expecting to take a lot of damage (tanking). Lotus is the heal when you are expecting to do a lot of damage/hits (dps). No flowers when Wardens tank.

Never use the bear when tanking.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/378661/end-game-pve-warden-main-tank-build-by-liofa/p1

Just go here people. Warden Tank is equal to Dk tank. It’s just lack of knowledge that is keeping Dk preferred.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Warden

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

I have tanked on both to decent levels (skin runs and some vet trials) and for most content i honestly prefer Warden tanking.

If i know spawns i can prepare my 3 portals ahead for ad stacking and then find my main tanking concern (big ads/bosses). This is more efficient than chains but again relies on being an experienced tank.

Both styles have their major up sides though.

DK's are much better to learn to tank on because they are much more forgiving resources wise due to battle roar and their Earthen Heart tree overall is a gods sent gift for their tanking.

Wardens give so much more group utility and freedom with setups. In most dungeons (even some DLC's on vet) you can be both the healer and the tank, even without slotting trees.

When built correctly both sit very high on the scale for tankyness, utility and support. It just becomes a preference of playstyle at that point.

What kind of stats, roughly, does one have on a warden expected to both tank and heal? (Argonian is a fine race to assume, since I recently leveled one of those. )

Most of that is skill selection. I sit on 46.6k health on an imperial warden without minor toughness, 2.2k magicka regen with pot up and i run efficient purge and polar winds and back bar the healing ult.

Most of the healing comes from light attacks with the secondary effect of lotus. Big burst heals from polar winds as needed.

You can also use certain sets in jewellery and weapons, like Spell Power Cure or Draugr's Rest or even Sanctuary to further buff the heals.

It takes DPS who know their spots and mechs but a good team can pull it off no dramas.

It's much easier to pull this off with wardens.

Ahh. Not the traditional magicka-based heals then.

Uh -- is Lotus health-based?

Our burst heal is health based. Lotus is generally a static heal giving a set amount per light or heavy attack. I'd guess things like minor and major mending would affect it but I would need to test that.

A fully charged heavy attack will give over 4k in healing so getting a heavy in now and then works wonders.

POps75p

I would chose warden for anything except a bank

Wolfpaw

Warden

Pick on theme (fire or ice for example), & fun. Bis changes with patches and content.

evoniee

Warden

dlc class = p2w
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jk, but i would choose warden cause it can be turned into a good pvp class (oops)

AlienatedGoat

Both.

I like choices.

Tommy_The_Gun

I miss my NB sap Tank...

FrancisCrawford

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

I have tanked on both to decent levels (skin runs and some vet trials) and for most content i honestly prefer Warden tanking.

If i know spawns i can prepare my 3 portals ahead for ad stacking and then find my main tanking concern (big ads/bosses). This is more efficient than chains but again relies on being an experienced tank.

Both styles have their major up sides though.

DK's are much better to learn to tank on because they are much more forgiving resources wise due to battle roar and their Earthen Heart tree overall is a gods sent gift for their tanking.

Wardens give so much more group utility and freedom with setups. In most dungeons (even some DLC's on vet) you can be both the healer and the tank, even without slotting trees.

When built correctly both sit very high on the scale for tankyness, utility and support. It just becomes a preference of playstyle at that point.

What kind of stats, roughly, does one have on a warden expected to both tank and heal? (Argonian is a fine race to assume, since I recently leveled one of those. )

Most of that is skill selection. I sit on 46.6k health on an imperial warden without minor toughness, 2.2k magicka regen with pot up and i run efficient purge and polar winds and back bar the healing ult.

Most of the healing comes from light attacks with the secondary effect of lotus. Big burst heals from polar winds as needed.

You can also use certain sets in jewellery and weapons, like Spell Power Cure or Draugr's Rest or even Sanctuary to further buff the heals.

It takes DPS who know their spots and mechs but a good team can pull it off no dramas.

It's much easier to pull this off with wardens.

Ahh. Not the traditional magicka-based heals then.

Uh -- is Lotus health-based?

Our burst heal is health based. Lotus is generally a static heal giving a set amount per light or heavy attack. I'd guess things like minor and major mending would affect it but I would need to test that.

A fully charged heavy attack will give over 4k in healing so getting a heavy in now and then works wonders.

I just checked tooltips, and the numbers were indeed unafffected by either max magicka or max health.

D0PAMINE

Dragonknight

The class is more natural to me, and the skills are more obvious to me.