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Shields........
Frag is now useless in short fights as the "in combat" system sucks and by the time it starts being able to proc the fights over
Frag minimum travel time also feels terrible at close range, feels like its a second haunting curse
Overload is now completely useless, the 50% decrease to light attack completely ruined magsorc gank builds (Im assuming bow and nb ganking will be "brought into line" with overload next patch and it conveniently slipped the combat devs minds...... that or their a bunch of stamblade hypocrites... ya thats probably more like it) The 50% increase to heavy attack didnt help either, its still a massive time sink that isnt worth it in a pve rotation.
boundless, this is by far the stupidest nerf I have ever seen and I cant imagine anything lazier from zos then blanket nerfing a MAG ability to deal with the swift problem. I only rarely use this ability and somehow I find this change as infuriating as the shield nerf. Simply because there is 0 reason for it.
dark exchange, we have told the devs that we dont use this skill as it isnt good enough to take up room on a bar, so what do they do? nerf it
We want Sorcerers to be strategic about how they maximize their resource return from this skill, while maintaining the powerful feel of seeing resources shoot up after completing the cast time. This ability will now restore more total resource than previously, but requires better timing to maximize.
^ and we get this insulting *** instead. ITS AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME THAT CAN BE INTERRUPTED, it already requires strategic use. Also you want a SORCERER to be more strategic about how they maximize their resources... DID YOU NOT LISTEN TO A DAMN THING THE CLASS REPS SAID.... what do yall do while the reps are wasting their volunteered time to collect problems a class is having? Sit there daydreaming about toy monkeys banging cymbal together? Cause clearly you werent listening to a thing they were saying.
You want sorc skills to maintain feeling powerful yet you gut half of the classes skills including ones that are already weak.
I hate to break it to you zos but what you "want" for sorc, sorcs not on board with.
And again my apologies as Im sure you want everyone to shut up, this to blow over and everyone to give you money but Im not shutting up and Im for sure not giving any money until you start LISTENING to your customers. I havent spent hundreds of days worth of time and hundreds of dollars for zos to make sorc nerf of the month. By all means ban me if you like, plenty of more places I can go. Theres a whole internet for people to state their opinion and alot of them are more public than this forum.
Fix the stupid nerfs, start listening and developing for YOUR player base rather than whatever backward ideas you have for this game. Lets face it the only time you make good combat changes are when your rolling back a nerf you put in place
To anyone without a zos logo next to their name, peace and see ya around
Frag is now useless in short fights as the "in combat" system sucks and by the time it starts being able to proc the fights over
Frag minimum travel time also feels terrible at close range, feels like its a second haunting curse
Overload is now completely useless, the 50% decrease to light attack completely ruined magsorc gank builds (Im assuming bow and nb ganking will be "brought into line" with overload next patch and it conveniently slipped the combat devs minds...... that or their a bunch of stamblade hypocrites... ya thats probably more like it) The 50% increase to heavy attack didnt help either, its still a massive time sink that isnt worth it in a pve rotation.
boundless, this is by far the stupidest nerf I have ever seen and I cant imagine anything lazier from zos then blanket nerfing a MAG ability to deal with the swift problem. I only rarely use this ability and somehow I find this change as infuriating as the shield nerf. Simply because there is 0 reason for it.
dark exchange, we have told the devs that we dont use this skill as it isnt good enough to take up room on a bar, so what do they do? nerf it
We want Sorcerers to be strategic about how they maximize their resource return from this skill, while maintaining the powerful feel of seeing resources shoot up after completing the cast time. This ability will now restore more total resource than previously, but requires better timing to maximize.
^ and we get this insulting *** instead. ITS AN ABILITY WITH A CAST TIME THAT CAN BE INTERRUPTED, it already requires strategic use. Also you want a SORCERER to be more strategic about how they maximize their resources... DID YOU NOT LISTEN TO A DAMN THING THE CLASS REPS SAID.... what do yall do while the reps are wasting their volunteered time to collect problems a class is having? Sit there daydreaming about toy monkeys banging cymbal together? Cause clearly you werent listening to a thing they were saying.
You want sorc skills to maintain feeling powerful yet you gut half of the classes skills including ones that are already weak.
I hate to break it to you zos but what you "want" for sorc, sorcs not on board with.
And again my apologies as Im sure you want everyone to shut up, this to blow over and everyone to give you money but Im not shutting up and Im for sure not giving any money until you start LISTENING to your customers. I havent spent hundreds of days worth of time and hundreds of dollars for zos to make sorc nerf of the month. By all means ban me if you like, plenty of more places I can go. Theres a whole internet for people to state their opinion and alot of them are more public than this forum.
Fix the stupid nerfs, start listening and developing for YOUR player base rather than whatever backward ideas you have for this game. Lets face it the only time you make good combat changes are when your rolling back a nerf you put in place
To anyone without a zos logo next to their name, peace and see ya around
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✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Sounds like yet ANOTHER L2P Post right here..... smh
very funny
I laughed as hard as I did at the murkimire patch notesEdited by ezio45 on November 7, 2018 4:35PM1 -
nryerson1025✭✭✭✭I picture a sad sorc giving his final words about to face the guillotine for his horrific crimes against mechanics2 -
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✭✭✭nryerson1025 wrote: »I picture a sad sorc giving his final words about to face the guillotine for his horrific crimes against mechanics
I mean probably, definitely a dead sorc at leastEdited by ezio45 on November 7, 2018 4:43PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, Alcast did try to warn us about the approaching changes to Magsorcs."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
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✭And then you gave really good sorcs saying "It's still decent, but weaker than last patch". :thonk:Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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Miswar✭✭✭✭✭The mag sorc is just as bad or even worse as predicted by the patch notes.
Absolutely F grade work from the "combat team"... well good luck sorting that out. It is not going to happen so you might as well look for other game products.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs are not supposed to be gankers, NBs are. The very fact that Overload sorcs ganked better than most NBs was unbalanced.
The new overload is great for keeping up pressure. Dark Exchange can't be interrupted.
Every combat source of Major Expedition has been nerfed, including stamina sources.
Frags got more of a buff than a nerf.
So L2P.2 -
Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs are not supposed to be gankers, NBs are. The very fact that Overload sorcs ganked better than most NBs was unbalanced.
The new overload is great for keeping up pressure. Dark Exchange can't be interrupted.
Every combat source of Major Expedition has been nerfed, including stamina sources.
Frags got more of a buff than a nerf.
So L2P.
Frags got buff?? Don't make me laugh. They move sloooooooooooooooowwwwww that anyone getting hit by it just plain and simple deserves that.
What on earth are you talking about and this pretty much recaps why these ridicilious nerfmires keep on coming. People posting about stuff they have no idea what they are talking about,
Having said that ... have a nice day.0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs are not supposed to be gankers, NBs are. The very fact that Overload sorcs ganked better than most NBs was unbalanced.
The new overload is great for keeping up pressure. Dark Exchange can't be interrupted.
Every combat source of Major Expedition has been nerfed, including stamina sources.
Frags got more of a buff than a nerf.
So L2P.
Frags got buff?? Don't make me laugh. They move sloooooooooooooooowwwwww that anyone getting hit by it just plain and simple deserves that.
What on earth are you talking about and this pretty much recaps why these ridicilious nerfmires keep on coming. People posting about stuff they have no idea what they are talking about,
Having said that ... have a nice day.
Damage increase is a massive buff. I agree that the travel time is way too high, but chaining Frags with other CC/burst skills deals huge damage.0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sorcs are not supposed to be gankers, NBs are. The very fact that Overload sorcs ganked better than most NBs was unbalanced.
The new overload is great for keeping up pressure. Dark Exchange can't be interrupted.
Every combat source of Major Expedition has been nerfed, including stamina sources.
Frags got more of a buff than a nerf.
So L2P.
the new overload sucks, and only 1 class is suppose to be able to gank? that stupid
and yes, they shouldnt have blanket nerfed expedition, that was my point
and no frag didnt get a buff, by the damn time im showing in combat and have got one wither ive killed the trash add or am dead from a player0 -
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✭✭You had to have known this would bring out the L2P troll buzzards who perpetually hover about looking for targets to take a dump on.
I do agree with the essence of your post; that the need for the recent avalanche of nerfs seems to exist only in the abstract of theory crafting developers and not from the overall desire from the part of the community that has a huge time investment in the combat system. Personally, I can live with the changes, I just wish they would fix things that are actually broken.0 -
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Well, take it from a deadric prince:Unfadingsilence wrote: »Sounds like yet ANOTHER L2P Post right here..... smh
Seriously though, yeah, its annoying for people who "had fun" ganking others with a build more effective then the powers that be intended.
But that's why they nerfed it, duh!
Now the people who didn't have any fun at the other end of such builds will get a better experience, and those who did run such builds need to find a new tactic.
What else is new?
This happens -every- time they do a round of nerfings!
It has happened before, and it will happen again.
And some whine about it on the forums... while others adapt to the new rules of the game.
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✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
Well, take it from a deadric prince:Unfadingsilence wrote: »Sounds like yet ANOTHER L2P Post right here..... smh
Seriously though, yeah, its annoying for people who "had fun" ganking others with a build more effective then the powers that be intended.
But that's why they nerfed it, duh!
Now the people who didn't have any fun at the other end of such builds will get a better experience, and those who did run such builds need to find a new tactic.
What else is new?
This happens -every- time they do a round of nerfings!
It has happened before, and it will happen again.
And some whine about it on the forums... while others adapt to the new rules of the game.
overload was no more powerful then incap ambush or leathal arrow and that isnt even a damn ult0 -
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My mage sorc who had healed most of the vet dlc dungeons put on medium armor two daggers and an bow and started handing in master writs. Shields was essential of that build. Decent damage, survival enough to rez tank. Tons of utility,nryerson1025 wrote: »I picture a sad sorc giving his final words about to face the guillotine for his horrific crimes against mechanics
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0
