Zos could make ice mage viable by only Changing a set

GusTheWizard

I know how Zos could make ice mage viable and fun for pve by only changing the 5th piece of winterborn

Winterborn’s new 5th piece
When you have an enemy chilled Increase your groups damage against that enemy by 4% for each ice damage ability you have slotted :for a max of 15%

I think it’d be pretty balanced considering you’d probably have to run an ice staff on both bars and you’d likely not take the tri focus passive, you wouldn’t get anything out of the ancient knowledge passive

And if you were a warden which this set would probably be the best for you’d get no bonus from advanced species.

Taleof2Cities

Balanced for PvE? Maybe.

Balanced for PvP? Probably not.

GusTheWizard

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Balanced for PvE? Maybe.

Balanced for PvP? Probably not.

So make the buff only against dungeon and trial monsters.

SilverIce58

GusTheWizard wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Balanced for PvE? Maybe.

Balanced for PvP? Probably not.

So make the buff only against dungeon and trial monsters.

How would that be viable for those who want to be a solo ice mage?

LeHarrt91

I like Winterborn's current effect. What needs to happen is there needs to be more ice damage skills (Preferable Warden skills), and some new armor and monster sets that are ice damage. But as long as the frost staff heavy taunts and doesnt get a dps boost passive, ice mage wont happen unfortunately.

SilverIce58

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

I like Winterborn's current effect. What needs to happen is there needs to be more ice damage skills (Preferable Warden skills), and some new armor and monster sets that are ice damage. But as long as the frost staff heavy taunts and doesnt get a dps boost passive, ice mage wont happen unfortunately.

We definitely need more monster/armor sets for ice damage. Ysgramor's is a good set and so is winterborn, but we need an ice version of like...bsw and valkyn skoria or something.

LeHarrt91

SilverIce58 wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

I like Winterborn's current effect. What needs to happen is there needs to be more ice damage skills (Preferable Warden skills), and some new armor and monster sets that are ice damage. But as long as the frost staff heavy taunts and doesnt get a dps boost passive, ice mage wont happen unfortunately.

We definitely need more monster/armor sets for ice damage. Ysgramor's is a good set and so is winterborn, but we need an ice version of like...bsw and valkyn skoria or something.

Yes, and maybe Elemental Succession which also drops from Maelstrom could become the Frost version with a small change. But as it current stands, they want frost to be defensive/ tanking. So if ice dps is to become a thing it will need to be in the form of sets. (and a few tweaks to Frost heavy attack/ passives)

iCaliban

Why not make ice the generalist damage type? Fire for single target, lightning for aoe, ice for a slightly inferior version of both? And change chilled to something useful for a dps set up.

Example: ancient knowledge ice, increase all damage by 2% with ice staff equipped. Chilled: inflict minor fracture? Maybe something better?

ChunkyCat

ZoS don’t care.

Konstant_Tel_Necris

Could you please not touch perfectly working Winterborn set and instead take a look on Ice Furnace? At least swap Weapon Damage to Spell damage?

LeHarrt91

iCaliban wrote: »

Why not make ice the generalist damage type? Fire for single target, lightning for aoe, ice for a slightly inferior version of both? And change chilled to something useful for a dps set up.

Example: ancient knowledge ice, increase all damage by 2% with ice staff equipped. Chilled: inflict minor fracture? Maybe something better?

Yeah i think if they want to keep it a utility weapon they need to make it a bit more hybrid. Move the blocking passive from Ancient Knowledge to Tri Focus, Move the taunt to its own singular passive or to a skill, and add either, as you said an in between damage passive, or even 8% to Spell Crit (As Ice lacks sets with crit). If they changed chilled to inflict minor Fracture/ Breach that would be interesting and maybe the Warden can get minor maim added to Glacial Presence passive.

Kadoin

[insert dramatic Youtube sigh, and...] "no."

DanteYoda

No one cares about PvP

SilverIce58

DanteYoda wrote: »

No one cares about PvP

This isnt about pvp. This is just about ice magic.

Caligamy_ESO

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

I like Winterborn's current effect. What needs to happen is there needs to be more ice damage skills (Preferable Warden skills), and some new armor and monster sets that are ice damage. But as long as the frost staff heavy taunts and doesnt get a dps boost passive, ice mage wont happen unfortunately.

Agree ^ and why does Warden need a full skill line dedicated to healing, AND healing in the ice skill line (for some reason)?

Zekka

just remove winterborn's innate 2 seconds cooldown, give the stun to deep fissure back and make arctic blast what people really wanted: a magicka scaling ice dot
the damage part of iceheart could also do with a buff

LeHarrt91

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

I like Winterborn's current effect. What needs to happen is there needs to be more ice damage skills (Preferable Warden skills), and some new armor and monster sets that are ice damage. But as long as the frost staff heavy taunts and doesnt get a dps boost passive, ice mage wont happen unfortunately.

Agree ^ and why does Warden need a full skill line dedicated to healing, AND healing in the ice skill line (for some reason)?

Well Arctic Wind is the Tank heal, that scales with Health just like, Unstable Clannfear, Dark Cloak and Green Dragons Blood. all the skills on Green Balance either scale with Magicka or Stamina which a tank has little of.

SydneyGrey

I'd love to farm for Winterborn, but doing Maelstrom makes me want to jab out my own eyeballs with a fork.

ESO_Nightingale

No. Winterborn is not what will save ice mages. A bunch of new ice dps skills and passives will. Not to mention a rework of trifocus for ice staves to do something that helps tanks and/or dps like lowering an enemy's resistance.

SilverIce58

Personally I'd be completely fine with taking the taunt away from tri-focus, and putting it on frozen clench instead, and ancient knowledge a 2/4% or 3/5% critical damage boost. Fire has increased single target, shock has increased AoE, and ice should be increased crit damage. The three types of damage and the three types of elemental magic. What is currently on ancient knowledge can be moved to tri-focus, the taunt moved to clench, and spell crit is given to ancient knowledge. Sounds good to me.

What does frozen clench do at the moment? Just keeps the target immobilized for a longer period of time? It could definitely use the taunt.

Taleof2Cities

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I'd love to farm for Winterborn, but doing Maelstrom makes me want to jab out my own eyeballs with a fork.

You can farm Maelstrom on normal without much difficulty. So armor drops are pretty straightforward.

The downside is don't expect Winterborn weapons right away ... with the very large loot tables and weapons only dropping on Round 9.

I'm not going to tell you how many Winterborn 2H weapons I've sent to the decon table.

Zekka

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I'd love to farm for Winterborn, but doing Maelstrom makes me want to jab out my own eyeballs with a fork.

You can farm Maelstrom on normal without much difficulty. So armor drops are pretty straightforward.

The downside is don't expect Winterborn weapons right away ... with the very large loot tables and weapons only dropping on Round 9.

I'm not going to tell you how many Winterborn 2H weapons I've sent to the decon table.

same, got every winterborn weapon possible except a staff
wtb token system for arena weapons

dsalter

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

I like Winterborn's current effect. What needs to happen is there needs to be more ice damage skills (Preferable Warden skills), and some new armor and monster sets that are ice damage. But as long as the frost staff heavy taunts and doesnt get a dps boost passive, ice mage wont happen unfortunately.

this is why we need a necromancer or more soul skill line abilities. soultrap has potential in itself to be a good frost DoT but its made useless because reasons

ccfeeling

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

No. Winterborn is not what will save ice mages. A bunch of new ice dps skills and passives will. Not to mention a rework of trifocus for ice staves to do something that helps tanks and/or dps like lowering an enemy's resistance.

He is right .

ESO_Nightingale

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Personally I'd be completely fine with taking the taunt away from tri-focus, and putting it on frozen clench instead, and ancient knowledge a 2/4% or 3/5% critical damage boost. Fire has increased single target, shock has increased AoE, and ice should be increased crit damage. The three types of damage and the three types of elemental magic. What is currently on ancient knowledge can be moved to tri-focus, the taunt moved to clench, and spell crit is given to ancient knowledge. Sounds good to me.

What does frozen clench do at the moment? Just keeps the target immobilized for a longer period of time? It could definitely use the taunt.

Frost clench is much more useful than elemental susceptibility and thus should recieve a damaging effect like more initial damage synergising well with vDSA staff making it a powerful spammable. People forget about succeptibility. that skill should have different effects based off the element. Such as flame succeptibility applying something like deals x% more dot damage to the target. Frost would give major fracture and taunt and be able to be applied to multiple targets.

SilverIce58

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Personally I'd be completely fine with taking the taunt away from tri-focus, and putting it on frozen clench instead, and ancient knowledge a 2/4% or 3/5% critical damage boost. Fire has increased single target, shock has increased AoE, and ice should be increased crit damage. The three types of damage and the three types of elemental magic. What is currently on ancient knowledge can be moved to tri-focus, the taunt moved to clench, and spell crit is given to ancient knowledge. Sounds good to me.

What does frozen clench do at the moment? Just keeps the target immobilized for a longer period of time? It could definitely use the taunt.

Frost clench is much more useful than elemental susceptibility and thus should recieve a damaging effect like more initial damage synergising well with vDSA staff making it a powerful spammable. People forget about succeptibility. that skill should have different effects based off the element. Such as flame succeptibility applying something like deals x% more dot damage to the target. Frost would give major fracture and taunt and be able to be applied to multiple targets.

I actually dont hate that idea. Itd be pretty interesting and maybe more people would take that morph instead of literally everyone taking ele drain. Altho, I'd make each effect be something like flame susceptibility makes enemies afflicted by burning take more damage, and same thing with shock and concussed, and frost and chilled.

ESO_Nightingale

SilverIce58 wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Personally I'd be completely fine with taking the taunt away from tri-focus, and putting it on frozen clench instead, and ancient knowledge a 2/4% or 3/5% critical damage boost. Fire has increased single target, shock has increased AoE, and ice should be increased crit damage. The three types of damage and the three types of elemental magic. What is currently on ancient knowledge can be moved to tri-focus, the taunt moved to clench, and spell crit is given to ancient knowledge. Sounds good to me.

What does frozen clench do at the moment? Just keeps the target immobilized for a longer period of time? It could definitely use the taunt.

Frost clench is much more useful than elemental susceptibility and thus should recieve a damaging effect like more initial damage synergising well with vDSA staff making it a powerful spammable. People forget about succeptibility. that skill should have different effects based off the element. Such as flame succeptibility applying something like deals x% more dot damage to the target. Frost would give major fracture and taunt and be able to be applied to multiple targets.

I actually dont hate that idea. Itd be pretty interesting and maybe more people would take that morph instead of literally everyone taking ele drain. Altho, I'd make each effect be something like flame susceptibility makes enemies afflicted by burning take more damage, and same thing with shock and concussed, and frost and chilled.

I don't know about flame succeptibility and shock succeptibility. It was just an idea that i didnt give much thought. Frost succeptibility has to have those effects i listed though. It just works. Even the name checks out.

LeHarrt91

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Personally I'd be completely fine with taking the taunt away from tri-focus, and putting it on frozen clench instead, and ancient knowledge a 2/4% or 3/5% critical damage boost. Fire has increased single target, shock has increased AoE, and ice should be increased crit damage. The three types of damage and the three types of elemental magic. What is currently on ancient knowledge can be moved to tri-focus, the taunt moved to clench, and spell crit is given to ancient knowledge. Sounds good to me.

What does frozen clench do at the moment? Just keeps the target immobilized for a longer period of time? It could definitely use the taunt.

Frost clench is much more useful than elemental susceptibility and thus should recieve a damaging effect like more initial damage synergising well with vDSA staff making it a powerful spammable. People forget about succeptibility. that skill should have different effects based off the element. Such as flame succeptibility applying something like deals x% more dot damage to the target. Frost would give major fracture and taunt and be able to be applied to multiple targets.

Or either make susceptibility it just straight up taunt or make heavy attacks taunt (like the passive but on this morph). No other elemental effects. This would be the easier option otherwise they will need to come up with other effects and balance them accordingly. I've never seen this morph used, ever. No one will miss it if its made a tank morph.

ESO_Nightingale

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Personally I'd be completely fine with taking the taunt away from tri-focus, and putting it on frozen clench instead, and ancient knowledge a 2/4% or 3/5% critical damage boost. Fire has increased single target, shock has increased AoE, and ice should be increased crit damage. The three types of damage and the three types of elemental magic. What is currently on ancient knowledge can be moved to tri-focus, the taunt moved to clench, and spell crit is given to ancient knowledge. Sounds good to me.

What does frozen clench do at the moment? Just keeps the target immobilized for a longer period of time? It could definitely use the taunt.

Frost clench is much more useful than elemental susceptibility and thus should recieve a damaging effect like more initial damage synergising well with vDSA staff making it a powerful spammable. People forget about succeptibility. that skill should have different effects based off the element. Such as flame succeptibility applying something like deals x% more dot damage to the target. Frost would give major fracture and taunt and be able to be applied to multiple targets.

Or either make susceptibility it just straight up taunt or make heavy attacks taunt (like the passive but on this morph). No other elemental effects. This would be the easier option otherwise they will need to come up with other effects and balance them accordingly. I've never seen this morph used, ever. No one will miss it if its made a tank morph.

We NEED major fracture on it too. To allow less reliance on snbs. We need more main tank weapon options. This is the perfect skill to give fracture too making it a similar skill to pierce armour but ranged and costs less. But doesnt provide damage or a synergy like the other 2. My idea is probably the most effective thing to give "frost succeptibility". Maybe you can compensate by giving it a cost if that is too op.

Somewhere

Fire is direct damage, lightning is area. Frost could have been like DOT damage. But zos is pretty set on it being a defensive weapon. So no luck there.

LeHarrt91

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Personally I'd be completely fine with taking the taunt away from tri-focus, and putting it on frozen clench instead, and ancient knowledge a 2/4% or 3/5% critical damage boost. Fire has increased single target, shock has increased AoE, and ice should be increased crit damage. The three types of damage and the three types of elemental magic. What is currently on ancient knowledge can be moved to tri-focus, the taunt moved to clench, and spell crit is given to ancient knowledge. Sounds good to me.

What does frozen clench do at the moment? Just keeps the target immobilized for a longer period of time? It could definitely use the taunt.

Frost clench is much more useful than elemental susceptibility and thus should recieve a damaging effect like more initial damage synergising well with vDSA staff making it a powerful spammable. People forget about succeptibility. that skill should have different effects based off the element. Such as flame succeptibility applying something like deals x% more dot damage to the target. Frost would give major fracture and taunt and be able to be applied to multiple targets.

Or either make susceptibility it just straight up taunt or make heavy attacks taunt (like the passive but on this morph). No other elemental effects. This would be the easier option otherwise they will need to come up with other effects and balance them accordingly. I've never seen this morph used, ever. No one will miss it if its made a tank morph.

We NEED major fracture on it too. To allow less reliance on snbs. We need more main tank weapon options. This is the perfect skill to give fracture too making it a similar skill to pierce armour but ranged and costs less. But doesnt provide damage or a synergy like the other 2. My idea is probably the most effective thing to give "frost succeptibility". Maybe you can compensate by giving it a cost if that is too op.

Yeah sure it can also have Major Fracture and taunt but maybe not other elemental effects depending on staff type (i say this because it might be difficult for them to impliment). Just a plain skill like it is but the Elemental Susceptibility morph adds Fracture and Taunt. and the name is still befitting as they are now susceptible to all elements including Poison and Disease.