Does the general public's consensus for buffing Magden lie with Winters Embrace? And thus, ice dps?

ESO_Nightingale

I ask this because i am a big supporter of it and it seems like a lot of magdens agree.

This is just my opinion here, so please dont scorn me for it, but we have the room for it, some passives are lacking and can provide extra utility. We only have a small amount of viable magden options for dps. Dive, Scorch, Bugs and Winters Revenge when there are at the VERY least 2 options open for changes depending on how you look at it (crystallized slab and arctic blast). You can possibly extend the list out to expancive frost cloak and MAYBE if we are pushing it, frozen retreat. And bear being the only viable top dps ultimate is still a problem, meaning you can possibly look at northern storm as well.

Magden also lacks a lot of interesting dps skills too. Dive offers no debuffs or buffs. Just raw damage. Same with swarm. Winters revenge is also uninteresting hosting only a 30% snare where as similar skills in other classes have synergies, increased initial damage etc. Scorch is good though! And a really interesting skill. But that is 1 out of 4 pve viable skills. Giving really unique frost DPS skills nails down our unique identity and helps our class be exactly in line with the others instead of lagging behind a little bit.

I forgot to mention that magden doesn't really offer anything to a group that stamden, healden or tankden bring

Carbonised

Making frost staff a tanking weapon while introducing a class with frost damage DPS dependency was the first mistake. Wardens even have a passive for + % frost damage, while not having the tools to utilize it.

Making most of the skills in the winter skill line utility/healing/tanking skills was the second mistake. Why the F do wardens need more frost healing skills when they have an entire nature's embrace skill line dedicated to healing?

Yes, warden frost damage skills should be looked at and buffed. That would also mean stam-wardens get nothing out of it, seeing as they already own pvp.

Lysette

Well, frost staff is not by default a tanking weapon - just if you insist on taking tri-focus it becomes one.

Turelus

Lysette wrote: »

Well, frost staff is not by default a tanking weapon - just if you insist on taking tri-focus it becomes one.

Right, but by making that passive turn it into one that's what it is. Having to skip a passive which grants the other two staves damage potential because this one forces it to taunt instead.

I'm with many others on the fact that frost staves can be a tanking weapon, but make it the skill morphs which set that up, then there is a choice of build based on morphs.

ESO_Nightingale

Turelus wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Well, frost staff is not by default a tanking weapon - just if you insist on taking tri-focus it becomes one.

Right, but by making that passive turn it into one that's what it is. Having to skip a passive which grants the other two staves damage potential because this one forces it to taunt instead.

I'm with many others on the fact that frost staves can be a tanking weapon, but make it the skill morphs which set that up, then there is a choice of build based on morphs.

I think making it reduce enemy resistance is the way to go. Its thematically appropriate and it works for both dps and tanking.

ESO_Nightingale

Gargath wrote: »

I also love my magden frost DPS skills setup, and see just minor issues.

Blockade of Frost (Destro Staff skill) + Winter's Revenge + strong shield + light attacks of Frost Charged Staff, is more then enough in most combat situations. Most enemies are chilled and immobilized 95% uptime of Blockade of Frost, even some of the world bosses, like the Abomination in Deshaan, so they can be easily killed while being tanked even in DD gears and setup. This is an undeniable advantage of Frost Magden, and probably a reason why ZOS doesn't wish to buff the damage on other skills.

I like also my stats and damage .

I see what you're trying to say but things like Eruption and Warmth make enemies slow when you're playing a magDK but their element is VERY viable. Using this, i would say that the damage on ice dps is still pretty low. i personally think what the ice dps mage play style needs is more ice dps skills and accommodating passives for the play style.

also i live for tooltips like that. those numbers are my babies and i want them to keep rising.

FrancisCrawford

I enjoy the magden DPS skillset. Shalks is central, and that makes the playstyle different from other magicka classes'. I'd be happy if the damage numbers were simply increased as needed.

Alternatively, replace Expansive Frost Cloak with a morph that converts all spell damage to frost, and then generally buff frost damage as needed to make the numbers work. Two virtues of this idea are:

• Serious frosty mageness.
• An opportunity for Nords to get a passive change that gets them a cut of the frostiness, so that Nords would be to wardens as Dunmer are to DKs.

That said, Swarm doesn't work. The single-target version is another skill that doesn't quite make it onto optimized skillbars, much like Destructive Touch, Cripple and so on. The quasi-AoE version is good mainly for oddly long trash fights or sibling-bosses.

Carbonised

Lysette wrote: »

Well, frost staff is not by default a tanking weapon - just if you insist on taking tri-focus it becomes one.

You're missing out on several other DPs oriented passives, that you would have gotten by using a lightning staff or a fire staff. In trading for a heavy attack taunt that is more often than not unwanted, and a tiny shield.

Gargath

I also love my magden frost DPS skills setup, and see just minor issues.

Blockade of Frost (Destro Staff skill) + Winter's Revenge + strong shield + light attacks of Frost Charged Staff, is more then enough in most combat situations. Most enemies are chilled and immobilized 95% uptime of Blockade of Frost, even some of the world bosses, like the Abomination in Deshaan, so they can be easily killed while being tanked even in DD gears and setup. This is an undeniable advantage of Frost Magden, and probably a reason why ZOS doesn't wish to buff the damage on other skills.

I like also my stats and damage .