What did they do to my sustain? Redguard stamblade.

ImmortalCX

Did some pugs, running on empty the whole time, same skill rotation, wtf!?

starkerealm

Did you check your char sheet?

I've got a sneaking suspicion that equipped poison+food bug has mutated.

ImmortalCX

I dont even know what that is, but it feels broken now. Even with all sustain weap enchants, i go empty. Constantly jammming pot..not readt..not ready..not ready.

It doesnt feel like a balance change, it feels like something is broken.

starkerealm

Yeah, that doesn't sound right.

I'm wondering if Throne isn't applying properly, if the enchants aren't working, if the redguard passive is broken (I don't think it's this)...

Something about this doesn't sound right. And I'm wondering if it shows up on your sheet.

ImmortalCX

I dont have the game atm so cant check sheet. I cant say whats going on but im surprised you believe it might be possible.

Its like i dont have sustain. I drink a weapon power pot, launch endless hail, then go to my spammable..but i cant spam it because im out of stamina.

And this is with orzaga recovery food and 3x recovery enchants, and redguard!

If this is intended, its just not fun having to ha between every skill.

starkerealm

ImmortalCX wrote: »

I dont have the game atm so cant check sheet. I cant say whats going on but im surprised you believe it might be possible.

Its like i dont have sustain. I drink a weapon power pot, launch endless hail, then go to my spammable..but i cant spam it because im out of stamina.

And this is with orzaga recovery food and 3x recovery enchants, and redguard!

If this is intended, its just not fun having to ha between every skill.

There's no way that's intended, and it's also not reflecting what I'm seeing. So something broke here.

Everstorm

My bosmer stamblade has no issues.

starkerealm

My Breton Stamblade felt normal. I didn't do anything with my Imperial or Bosmer stamblades today. I'm a little worried this might be related to the Redguard passive, but there may be another factor here.

jcm2606

If you're on PC, install Combat Metrics, do a parse, then open the combat log and look at your resource events. See where your stamina is being drained and generated. That should give you a clue as to what is causing your stamina to go poof.

Nightblade did see a few skills get a cost increase, namely Grim Focus and the execute, but this definitely sounds like a bug, especially if you are stacking that much regen and still running dry that quickly.

Silver_Strider

Knowing ZOS and their spagetti coding skills, they probably reversed Adrenaline Rush to drain your stamina instead of restore it by mistake.

Nyladreas

Khajiit blade here, no issues at all.

starkerealm

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Knowing ZOS and their spagetti coding skills, they probably reversed Adrenaline Rush to drain your stamina instead of restore it by mistake.

That would be hilarious, and crippling. So, let's hope that's not the issue.

Azurya

look up alcast guide for stamblade, updated for Murkmire, it works!!
at least for me............

starkerealm

Azurya wrote: »

look up alcast guide for stamblade, updated for Murkmire, it works!!
at least for me............

Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. I don't think that's the problem here, though.

templesus

Did you read the patch notes?

starkerealm

templesus wrote: »

Did you read the patch notes?

I did. I'm not seeing anything that seems relevant.

I mean, if they're spamming Killer's Blade, that might do it, but even then, they should still have resources. So, no, this sounds like a resource drain bug.

Again, running combat metrics is the way to go.

Sparr0w

/lurk just in case it is a bug that makes it over to console.

ErMurazor

noticed this too with my bosmer stamblade but only in some fights. It might be related to infused torugs drainresource enchants. its broken op right now

templesus

Grim Focus:

The spectral bow proc is no longer free, and costs half the amount of a regular Grim Focus.

There’s your answer.

starkerealm

templesus wrote: »

Grim Focus:

The spectral bow proc is no longer free, and costs half the amount of a regular Grim Focus.

There’s your answer.

That and the Killer's Blade changes... except if it's actually dropping an Endless Hail that's emptying the pool, that's not Grim Focus.

templesus

starkerealm wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Grim Focus:

The spectral bow proc is no longer free, and costs half the amount of a regular Grim Focus.

There’s your answer.

That and the Killer's Blade changes... except if it's actually dropping an Endless Hail that's emptying the pool, that's not Grim Focus.

I don’t believe that if endless hail was causing your entire stamina pool to drain that the forums wouldn’t be in an uproar about it already.

This just sounds like, based off the initial post, he had the same exact build as pre-patch and hasn’t adjusted for the sustain hit. Thus, it’s logical for him to be out of stamina during fights.

NolaArch

I main a redguard stamblade and haven’t seen any issues. I parsed without changing anything and maybe did one heavy attack to be sure. I didn’t have any issues. I got lower than pre-patch but I never ran out. I would say your experience is unusual and whatever is happening is unintended.

starkerealm

templesus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Grim Focus:

The spectral bow proc is no longer free, and costs half the amount of a regular Grim Focus.

There’s your answer.

That and the Killer's Blade changes... except if it's actually dropping an Endless Hail that's emptying the pool, that's not Grim Focus.

I don’t believe that if endless hail was causing your entire stamina pool to drain that the forums wouldn’t be in an uproar about it already.

This just sounds like, based off the initial post, he had the same exact build as pre-patch and hasn’t adjusted for the sustain hit. Thus, it’s logical for him to be out of stamina during fights.

Yeah, that's entirely possible. Which is why I said, "if it's emptying his pool." I'm not inclined to rule out a singular glitch on this one either, until we get more info. Wouldn't be the first time someone's character got bugged because, "for reasons."

Azurya

having WW ultimate on BB is very usefull and helps a lot..............

ImmortalCX

It might be something like a nerf to the Orzaga recovery food which I always use.

BigBadVolk

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Knowing ZOS and their spagetti coding skills, they probably reversed Adrenaline Rush to drain your stamina instead of restore it by mistake.

this way people will not cry Redguard masterrace and they wont have to buff khajiit

UnseenCat

I'd look to the changes in resource cost for Killer's blade and such...

I have Killer's Blade slotted on my front bar... Spamming it will drain stamina faster. On the other hand, using it as an execute move still hits hard and the stam cost isn't that bad vs the damage when the boss's health is down in the execute range anyway. Start spamming it too early, and you'll pay, though.

Juju_beans

OP said they launched endless hail and that drained all their stamina. OP didn't use any other skills.