[magsorc] Your shield's resistances and what you (don't) do about it.

Aldul

So, I hear shields can now be critted, have resistances and are considered "nerfed". What are you doing about it? Any concerns, measures to take / make. Hate is or love it?

Minno

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

arkansas_ESO

3x Protective, Impreg, and figure out how to somehow slot Boundless after losing your third skill bar. Or swap to heavy.

Gibus043

I'll make these changes to my build
* 7 impenetrable (instead of 3 infused 4 impenetrable)
* If it's not enough, slot Major Resolve/Ward (from boundless storm or mighty chudan)

I'll leave every other set as it is. In no-CP/Battlegrounds it's hard to reach 50% of your health with a single shield

Lord-Otto

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

Already every sorc has been running Impen or Well-Fitted. Get your facts straight.
It's 10k physical resist in light armor. +5k for major resists buff. How do you obtain the other 5k "comfortably"? By donning Fortified Brass, obliterating the needed sustain from Shacklebreaker?
Sorc hater spotted. Just another useless person who's not interested in balancing, but rather twisting reality just to fit biased anti-sorc agenda.

ccmedaddy

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

susmitds

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

Already every sorc has been running Impen or Well-Fitted. Get your facts straight.
It's 10k physical resist in light armor. +5k for major resists buff. How do you obtain the other 5k "comfortably"? By donning Fortified Brass, obliterating the needed sustain from Shacklebreaker?
Sorc hater spotted. Just another useless person who's not interested in balancing, but rather twisting reality just to fit biased anti-sorc agenda.

No more 5+ well fitted yolo sorcs while everybody else has to be use impen. High time, this happened.

Lord-Otto

susmitds wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

Already every sorc has been running Impen or Well-Fitted. Get your facts straight.
It's 10k physical resist in light armor. +5k for major resists buff. How do you obtain the other 5k "comfortably"? By donning Fortified Brass, obliterating the needed sustain from Shacklebreaker?
Sorc hater spotted. Just another useless person who's not interested in balancing, but rather twisting reality just to fit biased anti-sorc agenda.

No more 5+ well fitted yolo sorcs while everybody else has to be use impen. High time, this happened.

Oh, god, just stop! Only 1vX'ers used Well-Fitted. Why?
BECAUSE DODGE WORKED BETTER THAN SHIELDS FOR THEM!!!
Educate yourself before post nonsense, please.

Ender1310

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

Nice! I like how you think!

Ender1310

Ender1310 wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

Nice! I like how you think!

There is a Mag bone pirate?

Mintaka5

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

I slot it. Is not really as effective as you lead on. The low cost of repairs is nice though.

susmitds

Lord-Otto wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

Already every sorc has been running Impen or Well-Fitted. Get your facts straight.
It's 10k physical resist in light armor. +5k for major resists buff. How do you obtain the other 5k "comfortably"? By donning Fortified Brass, obliterating the needed sustain from Shacklebreaker?
Sorc hater spotted. Just another useless person who's not interested in balancing, but rather twisting reality just to fit biased anti-sorc agenda.

No more 5+ well fitted yolo sorcs while everybody else has to be use impen. High time, this happened.

Oh, god, just stop! Only 1vX'ers used Well-Fitted. Why?
BECAUSE DODGE WORKED BETTER THAN SHIELDS FOR THEM!!!
Educate yourself before post nonsense, please.

I use 7 well-fitted. Well, I still do with Impreg Armor.

ccmedaddy

Ender1310 wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

Nice! I like how you think!

Just to be clear, I got the idea from Crescent Jayren on YT. This set is going to be so good on tankier shield-stacking builds.

MalagenR

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

Armor Master is nice but I almost feel like you might as well slot Plague Doctor. The additional HP cushion will help more than the resists plus with Bright Throat you can get really really nice Mag Recovery

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

Someone else mentioned this but you might want to try the following:

Bright Throat's Boast (Use Dubious Camoran Throne for Stam Regen + Stam Pool) + Wizards Riposte (3 Infused Prismatic, 4 Impen) + Bloodspawn (for more stam recovery) & Resistances (you want the ultimate regen too, you'll need the extra ultimate to keep the burst damage going)

For CP points - You don't need Bastion anymore, as it's worthless, so you can throw a ton of points into Critical Resist there, then you can also start putting points into Light Armor mastery - you can unlock Unchained & Reinforced, Unchained will be nice if you're using the new Dark Deal - break free and cast Dark Exchange while you're immune to further stuns etc.

The reason I'm suggesting Wizard's is because with shields taking critical damage now, it should have really nice uptime and 15% damage reduction + 129 Mag Recovery + 1200 health + 129 Spell Damage > Armor Resist + 5% HP. At least in my opinion.

IDK - lemme know what you think - I'll still probably just run Elegance + Bright Throat w/ Dubious + Valkyn Skoria & throw some HP enchants on my gear. So I can still dodge roll - ill be dropping Alteration Mastery even though I love it, and with new Overload changes I'll prolly run - Curse + Degeneration + Reach + OL LA + Fury + Streak Combo

Front Bar - Streak - Reach - Hardened - Fury - Radiant - Overload
Back Bar - Curse - Degeneration - Healing Ward - Harness Magicka - Surge - Meteor (I'll have more mag Recovery on backbar with Meteor + Degeneration and some additional Max Mag due to the 4% increase)

Waffennacht

All my sorcs ran rull impen already

Biggest difference? Primarily focused on healing, damage second.

Panacea + EG + Ally Ward + Rapid Regen. Damage secondary.

But soon I'll have to do PvE stuff and I'll want those accomplishments on my sorc.... So he'll become your standard dps.

Minno

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

Already every sorc has been running Impen or Well-Fitted. Get your facts straight.
It's 10k physical resist in light armor. +5k for major resists buff. How do you obtain the other 5k "comfortably"? By donning Fortified Brass, obliterating the needed sustain from Shacklebreaker?
Sorc hater spotted. Just another useless person who's not interested in balancing, but rather twisting reality just to fit biased anti-sorc agenda.

you don't need fort brass to reach 21k resists.

Tonturri

5HA 2LA

Shacklebreaker, Blood Spawn, Bright-Throat (vampire food should proc it - if not witchmothers)

Ele drain and front-bar psijic ult for minor prot, backbar overload (sustain morph). Then the usual combo.

I'll probably switch between 5HA 2LA and 5 light 2 heavy until I figure out what I like best.

Izaki

Sorcs can now run Bloodspawn. Stamina Recovery, 6k Resistances and Ult Gen. What else? The best defensive/offensive solo set in the game for PvP IMO.

Sorcs have the "Magicka Bone Pirate" now. That's your damage and your sustain set right there. Could also go with Shackle along with it.

Slot Boundless Storm.

Or go Heavy like everyone else.

Just some things off the top of my head. All it takes is some theorycrafting.

ccmedaddy

MalagenR wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

Armor Master is nice but I almost feel like you might as well slot Plague Doctor. The additional HP cushion will help more than the resists plus with Bright Throat you can get really really nice Mag Recovery

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

Someone else mentioned this but you might want to try the following:

Bright Throat's Boast (Use Dubious Camoran Throne for Stam Regen + Stam Pool) + Wizards Riposte (3 Infused Prismatic, 4 Impen) + Bloodspawn (for more stam recovery) & Resistances (you want the ultimate regen too, you'll need the extra ultimate to keep the burst damage going)

For CP points - You don't need Bastion anymore, as it's worthless, so you can throw a ton of points into Critical Resist there, then you can also start putting points into Light Armor mastery - you can unlock Unchained & Reinforced, Unchained will be nice if you're using the new Dark Deal - break free and cast Dark Exchange while you're immune to further stuns etc.

The reason I'm suggesting Wizard's is because with shields taking critical damage now, it should have really nice uptime and 15% damage reduction + 129 Mag Recovery + 1200 health + 129 Spell Damage > Armor Resist + 5% HP. At least in my opinion.

IDK - lemme know what you think - I'll still probably just run Elegance + Bright Throat w/ Dubious + Valkyn Skoria & throw some HP enchants on my gear. So I can still dodge roll - ill be dropping Alteration Mastery even though I love it, and with new Overload changes I'll prolly run - Curse + Degeneration + Reach + OL LA + Fury + Streak Combo

Front Bar - Streak - Reach - Hardened - Fury - Radiant - Overload
Back Bar - Curse - Degeneration - Healing Ward - Harness Magicka - Surge - Meteor (I'll have more mag Recovery on backbar with Meteor + Degeneration and some additional Max Mag due to the 4% increase)

You might be right that Wizard's Riposte is a better magsorc set, especially for solo play--I just like the fact that Armor Master can be single-barred (so I can use the perfected AS destro or Master's) and also won't be affected by whether there are other sources of Minor Maim being provided.

I'm not sure if Dubious is really worth it for the stam sustain though. I haven't really done the math but is it really better go to this route than, say, Amberplasm and tristat food? o.o

jaws343

I have two builds I am looking at right now.

The first relies on my current bar setup for burst damage with the sets providing sustain a resistances. It also keeps me in light armor.
5 Piece Pariah on jewelry and two large body pieces(Shields will get stronger as your health gets lower.)
5 Piece Bright Throat for sustain and max mag.
2 Piece Bloodspawn



The Second setup is an odd one I want to try, that removes most of the reflectable damage a sorc has and removes the burst for sustained pressure (No Curse, and no frags). Still in light armor with 2 heavy. But with all tri-stat glyphs. Get most of my resists from Bloodspawn and keeping Boundless up. Tri-Stat for health.
5x Netch
5x Innate Axiom
2x Bloodspawn
Dual Swords, and restro back bar. Intend to use Bloodcraze for the dot, heal and enchant proc (with lightning enchant and damage enchant).
Also intend to use boundless on the front bar to keep the buff uptime going.
And the key to the build will be using Mages Wrath as the spammable rather than only using it for execute. With Axiom and Netch, Wrath's initial hit is going to be strong, and it is unreflectable.
Will use Overload for the ultimate.

MalagenR

jaws343 wrote: »

I have two builds I am looking at right now.

The first relies on my current bar setup for burst damage with the sets providing sustain a resistances. It also keeps me in light armor.
5 Piece Pariah on jewelry and two large body pieces(Shields will get stronger as your health gets lower.)
5 Piece Bright Throat for sustain and max mag.
2 Piece Bloodspawn



The Second setup is an odd one I want to try, that removes most of the reflectable damage a sorc has and removes the burst for sustained pressure (No Curse, and no frags). Still in light armor with 2 heavy. But with all tri-stat glyphs. Get most of my resists from Bloodspawn and keeping Boundless up. Tri-Stat for health.
5x Netch
5x Innate Axiom
2x Bloodspawn
Dual Swords, and restro back bar. Intend to use Bloodcraze for the dot, heal and enchant proc (with lightning enchant and damage enchant).
Also intend to use boundless on the front bar to keep the buff uptime going.
And the key to the build will be using Mages Wrath as the spammable rather than only using it for execute. With Axiom and Netch, Wrath's initial hit is going to be strong, and it is unreflectable.
Will use Overload for the ultimate.

gotta run Curse, it can't be reflected and you'll need it for consistent burst - what's your Hard CC? Cage?

jaws343

MalagenR wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

I have two builds I am looking at right now.

The first relies on my current bar setup for burst damage with the sets providing sustain a resistances. It also keeps me in light armor.
5 Piece Pariah on jewelry and two large body pieces(Shields will get stronger as your health gets lower.)
5 Piece Bright Throat for sustain and max mag.
2 Piece Bloodspawn



The Second setup is an odd one I want to try, that removes most of the reflectable damage a sorc has and removes the burst for sustained pressure (No Curse, and no frags). Still in light armor with 2 heavy. But with all tri-stat glyphs. Get most of my resists from Bloodspawn and keeping Boundless up. Tri-Stat for health.
5x Netch
5x Innate Axiom
2x Bloodspawn
Dual Swords, and restro back bar. Intend to use Bloodcraze for the dot, heal and enchant proc (with lightning enchant and damage enchant).
Also intend to use boundless on the front bar to keep the buff uptime going.
And the key to the build will be using Mages Wrath as the spammable rather than only using it for execute. With Axiom and Netch, Wrath's initial hit is going to be strong, and it is unreflectable.
Will use Overload for the ultimate.

gotta run Curse, it can't be reflected and you'll need it for consistent burst - what's your Hard CC? Cage?

Yeah, sticking with cage even though it'll be very unreliable. May have room to back bar curse. But it will have a lower tooltip since Netch does not effect it.

Ishtharo

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

Already every sorc has been running Impen or Well-Fitted. Get your facts straight.
It's 10k physical resist in light armor. +5k for major resists buff. How do you obtain the other 5k "comfortably"? By donning Fortified Brass, obliterating the needed sustain from Shacklebreaker?
Sorc hater spotted. Just another useless person who's not interested in balancing, but rather twisting reality just to fit biased anti-sorc agenda.

Your bias has been noted.

My light armor Templar reached resist cap in LA with a spell damage close to 2k. It's not hard if you feel like thinking about it. These sorc changes are unfortunate, and most I talked to about it say it's fundamentally changing how the class is played. I think some of the changes are good, and others not so much. But most sorcs I talked to weren't running Impen, and why would you if you were good at the shield stack meta? If they never reached your health, Impen was a wasted trait.

I don't think he's a sorc hater, just someone trying to give advice. Your violent reaction says more about you than him.

I'f I were to play a sorc now, which I intend to do with my next character, I'm thinking of running Bright-throat, Shackle breaker and 1Pirate/1Lord Warden with infused damage jewelry. Thats plenty of resist, damage and sustain.

At the end of the day, your class wasn't gutted, but it did receive some significant "adjustments", I feel for you and my Templar class (we have been getting "adjusted" for some time, and only recently stopped, thank goodness).

Minno

Ishtharo wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

Already every sorc has been running Impen or Well-Fitted. Get your facts straight.
It's 10k physical resist in light armor. +5k for major resists buff. How do you obtain the other 5k "comfortably"? By donning Fortified Brass, obliterating the needed sustain from Shacklebreaker?
Sorc hater spotted. Just another useless person who's not interested in balancing, but rather twisting reality just to fit biased anti-sorc agenda.

Your bias has been noted.

My light armor Templar reached resist cap in LA with a spell damage close to 2k. It's not hard if you feel like thinking about it. These sorc changes are unfortunate, and most I talked to about it say it's fundamentally changing how the class is played. I think some of the changes are good, and others not so much. But most sorcs I talked to weren't running Impen, and why would you if you were good at the shield stack meta? If they never reached your health, Impen was a wasted trait.

I don't think he's a sorc hater, just someone trying to give advice. Your violent reaction says more about you than him.

I'f I were to play a sorc now, which I intend to do with my next character, I'm thinking of running Bright-throat, Shackle breaker and 1Pirate/1Lord Warden with infused damage jewelry. Thats plenty of resist, damage and sustain.

At the end of the day, your class wasn't gutted, but it did receive some significant "adjustments", I feel for you and my Templar class (we have been getting "adjusted" for some time, and only recently stopped, thank goodness).

You don't even need pirate/chudan if you don't want to give up a dmg mon set.

Mihael

if you weren't running impen on sorc already you were zerging

damtotb16_ESO

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

You know the impen trait sorcs loved to ignore? Slot it, you are going to need it, I guarantee it.
And all light armor specs should be comfortable getting 20-21k resists with/without shields.

Already every sorc has been running Impen or Well-Fitted. Get your facts straight.
It's 10k physical resist in light armor. +5k for major resists buff. How do you obtain the other 5k "comfortably"? By donning Fortified Brass, obliterating the needed sustain from Shacklebreaker?
Sorc hater spotted. Just another useless person who's not interested in balancing, but rather twisting reality just to fit biased anti-sorc agenda.

As for myself I love sorcerers and this mag dk says halo

Aldul

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Armor Master Set
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(5 items) While you have an Armor Ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor Ability, your Physical and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.

Mag Bone Pirate body (all impen) + Armor Master resto/jewelry + Willpower destro

I'll probably run Skoria to make up for the loss in dmg--I find that Entropy and poison or infused flame glyph are enough to proc it consistently.

I prefer the Fotified BRass over that:
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance.
(5 items) Adds 5170 Physical Resistance and 5170 Spell Resistance.

Aldul

Mihael wrote: »

if you weren't running impen on sorc already you were zerging

I wasn't interested in the crit resistances. Some Impenetrable gear is a must, I agree. (the "nerf" part to shields) but the spell and physical (that's actually a buff to the shields. they had 0 prior). Actually, I just had a couple of duels against light armor users that made me think I'm back on the level I started off from. I was just curious what you guys do and don't. For example: I do slot 2x Icestaff destro/destro. I still do streak. If I swappen destro/resto, the back bar would be defending.

Well, well, let's see what ROLE the actual CLASS is going to fulful in good group. Stam Sorc Negate-Bot, Hybrid-Sorc CC monstosity. Now, that I have it, I can think of a few dedicated ballgroup roles other than high-reg-purge-bots. (those too, 4 sure)

anyhow. I'm intoxicated. gn.

Xsorus

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=84447

This was sorta the setup i was working on before the patch; but all the other Sorcs were telling me it wouldn't work *grin*.

Biro123

Mihael wrote: »

if you weren't running impen on sorc already you were zerging

Tell that to Malcolm.

Aldul

Biro123 wrote: »

Mihael wrote: »

if you weren't running impen on sorc already you were zerging

Tell that to Malcolm.

yeah. I'll tell that to Dr. Watson. flawed deduction xD