Carbonised wrote: »ZOS must really dislike the housing community. Every DLC they find some way to royally p*ss us off with some BS. Summerset had the Culanda requirement, CWC had atrocious droprates, and now the same repeats with Murkmire.
On the entire PC-EU megaserver, there's usually about 3-4 Murk recipes for sale at Craglorn. For the "generous" price of 100k for a green, 200-400k for a blue, and 800k-1M for a purple.
You do the math and calculate how many millions it will require to obtain all the Murk recipes ...
I've looted all 3 towns extensively, and gotten a grand total of 0 recipes. There are far too few containers, many of the containers at a given time are "opened" already, and therefore unlootable. And when you actually can loot, you get 90 % trash, and 10 % recipes, 100 % of these are base game recipes.
Good job ZOS, once again you've offered us this BS that locks pretty much everyone out of the furniture crafting. These Murk recipes better damn well drop in the Undaunted dungeon event that's coming next, like the CWC dropped from the same event a year ago. If not, I'll not give a damn about these recipes and pretend they don't exist. No way I'm going to spend the millions for these recipes that people demand for them.
DukezNukez wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »ZOS must really dislike the housing community. Every DLC they find some way to royally p*ss us off with some BS. Summerset had the Culanda requirement, CWC had atrocious droprates, and now the same repeats with Murkmire.
On the entire PC-EU megaserver, there's usually about 3-4 Murk recipes for sale at Craglorn. For the "generous" price of 100k for a green, 200-400k for a blue, and 800k-1M for a purple.
You do the math and calculate how many millions it will require to obtain all the Murk recipes ...
I've looted all 3 towns extensively, and gotten a grand total of 0 recipes. There are far too few containers, many of the containers at a given time are "opened" already, and therefore unlootable. And when you actually can loot, you get 90 % trash, and 10 % recipes, 100 % of these are base game recipes.
Good job ZOS, once again you've offered us this BS that locks pretty much everyone out of the furniture crafting. These Murk recipes better damn well drop in the Undaunted dungeon event that's coming next, like the CWC dropped from the same event a year ago. If not, I'll not give a damn about these recipes and pretend they don't exist. No way I'm going to spend the millions for these recipes that people demand for them.
People are farming recipes when others sit and enjoy the game in batleground,trials or dungeons. So respect their time. Prices are made by player that farm not ZOS. If you dont like it go farm too. Better respect that there are some people that want to open containers 10 hour/day to get some plans. You can farm 1 mil/day easy just by gathering resources so I do not see problem.
@CarbonisedCarbonised wrote: »ValkyriesWolf wrote: »I did not yet manage to pull a furniture plan from Murkmire, but I got three if those little Scattlebloom furnishings you can get from the plants sometimes. Opened like 150/200 of the Scattleblooms for it I think, didn't farm specifically, just took all there were while running around Murkmire. Being a vampire with that crouching passive helps tremendously with that.
I also pulled a blue quality rag furnishing from a container in the smithing area of Lilmoth.
You have to sneak up on them and pick them, right? Are they very visible, or can you easily overlook them? Also, please post some pics of the Scuttlebloom furniture item.
So I poked around the PTS and wasn't able to find a good farming venue like old Traitor's Vault or Hleeran Tombs. If you get a furnishing plan/furnishing, can you please post what you received and where you got it from?
Anotherone773 wrote: »So I poked around the PTS and wasn't able to find a good farming venue like old Traitor's Vault or Hleeran Tombs. If you get a furnishing plan/furnishing, can you please post what you received and where you got it from?
You realize threads like this is why Traitors Vault is now complete trash for BPs right? Had people not felt the need to tell the whole world about the vault, it may of taken the devs months, if ever, to find out it was a decent place to get BPs and not nerf it into oblivion.
There're still some decent places to farm it, one is of the same level for me as T.V. was (which personally I never farmed, but still got almost all alinor plans by myself). And nobody is gonna change those places. T.V. had too many wardrobes for no reason, I think it all was planned to change it from the start.Anotherone773 wrote: »it may of taken the devs months, if ever, to find out it was a decent place to get BPs and not nerf it into oblivion.
Carbonised wrote: »Thanks. Already harvested 3 of them myself though =p
Anotherone773 wrote: »So I poked around the PTS and wasn't able to find a good farming venue like old Traitor's Vault or Hleeran Tombs. If you get a furnishing plan/furnishing, can you please post what you received and where you got it from?
You realize threads like this is why Traitors Vault is now complete trash for BPs right? Had people not felt the need to tell the whole world about the vault, it may of taken the devs months, if ever, to find out it was a decent place to get BPs and not nerf it into oblivion.
The fact people were over-farming it? Probably. But considering we had a solid, what? Three months? Alinor plans are far less expensive than Murkmire ones, and the fact that more people were farming means more there are more total plans on the market and in the world. Me farming solo might only net a few plans, but telling people, meaning ten more people means that more plans will be around. So if I get a plan I don't want, I have a better chance of being able to trade it. That also means the plans themselves will be a bit cheaper and I won't feel the need to buy plans if I know I can tip someone to make the furnishings for me.
Sticky_Paws wrote: »Following :-)
I've picked up quite a few pieces from the Murkmire dailies in Shadowfen.
Did anyone noticed a difference in droprate? Got 9 plans from 6-7 hours, before I got max 3 from the whole day. Hope it is a tendention, not a day with surprising rng.
And yes, from Shadowfen dailies you can get: Murkmire Brazier, Ceremonial; Murkmire Hearth Shrine, Sithis Relief; Murkmire Hearth Shrine, Sithis Figure; Murkmire Bowl, Geometric Pattern; Murkmire Vase, Scale Pattern; Murkmire Dish, Geometric Pattern; Murkmire Amphora, Seed Pattern. Also you can steal 4 rugs and 2 tapestries and get a hunting lure from dailies in Murkmire itself.
Thannazzar wrote: »TBH the amount of people pickpocketing in murkmire and leaving the victims alive doesn't help the drop rate!
Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »So I poked around the PTS and wasn't able to find a good farming venue like old Traitor's Vault or Hleeran Tombs. If you get a furnishing plan/furnishing, can you please post what you received and where you got it from?
You realize threads like this is why Traitors Vault is now complete trash for BPs right? Had people not felt the need to tell the whole world about the vault, it may of taken the devs months, if ever, to find out it was a decent place to get BPs and not nerf it into oblivion.
The fact people were over-farming it? Probably. But considering we had a solid, what? Three months? Alinor plans are far less expensive than Murkmire ones, and the fact that more people were farming means more there are more total plans on the market and in the world. Me farming solo might only net a few plans, but telling people, meaning ten more people means that more plans will be around. So if I get a plan I don't want, I have a better chance of being able to trade it. That also means the plans themselves will be a bit cheaper and I won't feel the need to buy plans if I know I can tip someone to make the furnishings for me.
Or we could not announce it to the world and let people find out about it through natural exploration, friends, guildmates, etc. The plans would of came down eventually as more and more people farmed it to make big bucks.
You see before some loudmouth do-gooder announced traitors vault to the world and brought it to the dev's attention that was a great farming spot, i was farming it quite heavily. As were others like me. We were selling the BPs on guild traders like they were bottled water in the desert. This was causing the price to drop already as we kept going lower than the last guy to get a quick sell so we can put more up. More importantly because of the drop rates in the vault we were getting a lot of blues and purples as well. And that caused the price of those to drop as well.
In comes do gooder thinking that its not fair for people to get rich off others who cant be bothered to farm their own stuff and announces this easy way to get all these BPs. This draws the attention of the devs who investigate it and decide to change it.
As a result people stopped farming it because its not worth our time. So we went back to our old farming that is more profitable. After the change i tried farming it and while green prints did drop every half dozen to dozen runs, it might be a few dozen runs to get a blue and a few hundred runs to get a purple. I was averaging 2-4 purples a day before and a few dozen blue.
The market has now stabilized and even started to climb because of the sudden drop in farming. Furthermore everyone is now trying the same thing with murkmire so very random drops while doing other activities is mostly what is getting put on the alinor market. The market for blue Alinor has actually started to increase and the market for purple is now extortionate. I can easily sell purple alinor for 250k-1 mil gold depending on the print. There are very few if any purples on the market whereas before the nerf there were a few to a few dozen of pretty much every purple causing the price to drop.
Sharing the great farming place with the world didnt help players it hurt them. It brought it to the attention to the devs who dont pay attention to their own game( even now the TV wardrobes are broken showing that you can loot most of them but doing nothing when you try). I mean, we have to tell them where the bots ( even though they are in the same locations) time after time because they cant be bothered to check on occasion.
So all sharing did was cause the devs to nerf it, people to stop farming it, and people who didnt get in on it to have to pay ever increasing prices until it because more profitable to do that than do our old farming. In order for that to happen for me personally, the drop rates would have to quadruple or the price of green prints would have to be in the 5k-10k range.
So in the long run, it had the opposite affect, which is fine for those who got in and got theirs in the beginning.
Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »So I poked around the PTS and wasn't able to find a good farming venue like old Traitor's Vault or Hleeran Tombs. If you get a furnishing plan/furnishing, can you please post what you received and where you got it from?
You realize threads like this is why Traitors Vault is now complete trash for BPs right? Had people not felt the need to tell the whole world about the vault, it may of taken the devs months, if ever, to find out it was a decent place to get BPs and not nerf it into oblivion.
The fact people were over-farming it? Probably. But considering we had a solid, what? Three months? Alinor plans are far less expensive than Murkmire ones, and the fact that more people were farming means more there are more total plans on the market and in the world. Me farming solo might only net a few plans, but telling people, meaning ten more people means that more plans will be around. So if I get a plan I don't want, I have a better chance of being able to trade it. That also means the plans themselves will be a bit cheaper and I won't feel the need to buy plans if I know I can tip someone to make the furnishings for me.
Or we could not announce it to the world and let people find out about it through natural exploration, friends, guildmates, etc. The plans would of came down eventually as more and more people farmed it to make big bucks.
You see before some loudmouth do-gooder announced traitors vault to the world and brought it to the dev's attention that was a great farming spot, i was farming it quite heavily. As were others like me. We were selling the BPs on guild traders like they were bottled water in the desert. This was causing the price to drop already as we kept going lower than the last guy to get a quick sell so we can put more up. More importantly because of the drop rates in the vault we were getting a lot of blues and purples as well. And that caused the price of those to drop as well.
In comes do gooder thinking that its not fair for people to get rich off others who cant be bothered to farm their own stuff and announces this easy way to get all these BPs. This draws the attention of the devs who investigate it and decide to change it.
As a result people stopped farming it because its not worth our time. So we went back to our old farming that is more profitable. After the change i tried farming it and while green prints did drop every half dozen to dozen runs, it might be a few dozen runs to get a blue and a few hundred runs to get a purple. I was averaging 2-4 purples a day before and a few dozen blue.
The market has now stabilized and even started to climb because of the sudden drop in farming. Furthermore everyone is now trying the same thing with murkmire so very random drops while doing other activities is mostly what is getting put on the alinor market. The market for blue Alinor has actually started to increase and the market for purple is now extortionate. I can easily sell purple alinor for 250k-1 mil gold depending on the print. There are very few if any purples on the market whereas before the nerf there were a few to a few dozen of pretty much every purple causing the price to drop.
Sharing the great farming place with the world didnt help players it hurt them. It brought it to the attention to the devs who dont pay attention to their own game( even now the TV wardrobes are broken showing that you can loot most of them but doing nothing when you try). I mean, we have to tell them where the bots ( even though they are in the same locations) time after time because they cant be bothered to check on occasion.
So all sharing did was cause the devs to nerf it, people to stop farming it, and people who didnt get in on it to have to pay ever increasing prices until it because more profitable to do that than do our old farming. In order for that to happen for me personally, the drop rates would have to quadruple or the price of green prints would have to be in the 5k-10k range.
So in the long run, it had the opposite affect, which is fine for those who got in and got theirs in the beginning.
I don't feel like Murkmire patterns are as rare as the old Morrowind patterns tbh, and it's likely less people want to learn them. As for the prices - way around that is for you to farm the matts, including the hackwing plume, then hire a crafter for a tip.
Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »So I poked around the PTS and wasn't able to find a good farming venue like old Traitor's Vault or Hleeran Tombs. If you get a furnishing plan/furnishing, can you please post what you received and where you got it from?
You realize threads like this is why Traitors Vault is now complete trash for BPs right? Had people not felt the need to tell the whole world about the vault, it may of taken the devs months, if ever, to find out it was a decent place to get BPs and not nerf it into oblivion.
The fact people were over-farming it? Probably. But considering we had a solid, what? Three months? Alinor plans are far less expensive than Murkmire ones, and the fact that more people were farming means more there are more total plans on the market and in the world. Me farming solo might only net a few plans, but telling people, meaning ten more people means that more plans will be around. So if I get a plan I don't want, I have a better chance of being able to trade it. That also means the plans themselves will be a bit cheaper and I won't feel the need to buy plans if I know I can tip someone to make the furnishings for me.
...
In comes do gooder thinking that its not fair for people to get rich off others who cant be bothered to farm their own stuff and announces this easy way to get all these BPs. This draws the attention of the devs who investigate it and decide to change it.
...
So all sharing did was cause the devs to nerf it, people to stop farming it, and people who didnt get in on it to have to pay ever increasing prices until it because more profitable to do that than do our old farming. In order for that to happen for me personally, the drop rates would have to quadruple or the price of green prints would have to be in the 5k-10k range.
So in the long run, it had the opposite affect, which is fine for those who got in and got theirs in the beginning.
Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »So I poked around the PTS and wasn't able to find a good farming venue like old Traitor's Vault or Hleeran Tombs. If you get a furnishing plan/furnishing, can you please post what you received and where you got it from?
You realize threads like this is why Traitors Vault is now complete trash for BPs right? Had people not felt the need to tell the whole world about the vault, it may of taken the devs months, if ever, to find out it was a decent place to get BPs and not nerf it into oblivion.
The fact people were over-farming it? Probably. But considering we had a solid, what? Three months? Alinor plans are far less expensive than Murkmire ones, and the fact that more people were farming means more there are more total plans on the market and in the world. Me farming solo might only net a few plans, but telling people, meaning ten more people means that more plans will be around. So if I get a plan I don't want, I have a better chance of being able to trade it. That also means the plans themselves will be a bit cheaper and I won't feel the need to buy plans if I know I can tip someone to make the furnishings for me.
...
In comes do gooder thinking that its not fair for people to get rich off others who cant be bothered to farm their own stuff and announces this easy way to get all these BPs. This draws the attention of the devs who investigate it and decide to change it.
...
So all sharing did was cause the devs to nerf it, people to stop farming it, and people who didnt get in on it to have to pay ever increasing prices until it because more profitable to do that than do our old farming. In order for that to happen for me personally, the drop rates would have to quadruple or the price of green prints would have to be in the 5k-10k range.
So in the long run, it had the opposite affect, which is fine for those who got in and got theirs in the beginning.
Emphasis mine. This is your hypothesis (that the devs only found out about the code they wrote AFTER it was discussed in this forum and elsewhere). Even though I'm new to this forum and somewhat new to the game, I've been reading everything I found about furnishings/patterns pretty much since I started playing; and I'd like to present my theory.
From what I understand, both Morrowind and Summerset initially had high drop rates for furnishing patterns, and then, after a few weeks, those drop rates fell.
My theory is that there was no nerf. Yes, the drop rate was readjusted to accommodate for the actual volume of players in those areas. The drop rate ratio that was set when the two expansions were released was based on an overly optimistic projection of how many players would buy/play it at release.
The reason why people were able to get so many furnishing patterns soon after release is because they were expecting more people to be in there. Once they had actual numbers to work with, they readjusted the drop rate to be compatible with the rest of the areas in the game.
I have reasons to believe that the drop rate of pretty much everything in this game is based not only on the player, but on the average amount of players in an area. I don't know if the numbers get "recalibrated" every now and again, but I suspect they do so whenever there is an event in a specific area (like the CWC event).
Anotherone773 wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »So I poked around the PTS and wasn't able to find a good farming venue like old Traitor's Vault or Hleeran Tombs. If you get a furnishing plan/furnishing, can you please post what you received and where you got it from?
You realize threads like this is why Traitors Vault is now complete trash for BPs right? Had people not felt the need to tell the whole world about the vault, it may of taken the devs months, if ever, to find out it was a decent place to get BPs and not nerf it into oblivion.
The fact people were over-farming it? Probably. But considering we had a solid, what? Three months? Alinor plans are far less expensive than Murkmire ones, and the fact that more people were farming means more there are more total plans on the market and in the world. Me farming solo might only net a few plans, but telling people, meaning ten more people means that more plans will be around. So if I get a plan I don't want, I have a better chance of being able to trade it. That also means the plans themselves will be a bit cheaper and I won't feel the need to buy plans if I know I can tip someone to make the furnishings for me.
...
In comes do gooder thinking that its not fair for people to get rich off others who cant be bothered to farm their own stuff and announces this easy way to get all these BPs. This draws the attention of the devs who investigate it and decide to change it.
...
So all sharing did was cause the devs to nerf it, people to stop farming it, and people who didnt get in on it to have to pay ever increasing prices until it because more profitable to do that than do our old farming. In order for that to happen for me personally, the drop rates would have to quadruple or the price of green prints would have to be in the 5k-10k range.
So in the long run, it had the opposite affect, which is fine for those who got in and got theirs in the beginning.
Emphasis mine. This is your hypothesis (that the devs only found out about the code they wrote AFTER it was discussed in this forum and elsewhere). Even though I'm new to this forum and somewhat new to the game, I've been reading everything I found about furnishings/patterns pretty much since I started playing; and I'd like to present my theory.
From what I understand, both Morrowind and Summerset initially had high drop rates for furnishing patterns, and then, after a few weeks, those drop rates fell.
My theory is that there was no nerf. Yes, the drop rate was readjusted to accommodate for the actual volume of players in those areas. The drop rate ratio that was set when the two expansions were released was based on an overly optimistic projection of how many players would buy/play it at release.
The reason why people were able to get so many furnishing patterns soon after release is because they were expecting more people to be in there. Once they had actual numbers to work with, they readjusted the drop rate to be compatible with the rest of the areas in the game.
I have reasons to believe that the drop rate of pretty much everything in this game is based not only on the player, but on the average amount of players in an area. I don't know if the numbers get "recalibrated" every now and again, but I suspect they do so whenever there is an event in a specific area (like the CWC event).