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The Change That'll Make PvP Outright Annoying
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So I'm sure that a lot of people have read the PTS notes and noticed that evasion will now reduce aoe damage. That sounds all good and nice though when you think about it is not the best of changes for any class that uses an AOE ultimate or annoying of the sorts. Templars especially will be hurt by this.
25% damage reduction roughly is equal to 15k and more resistance. It does seem like a bit too much doesn't it? Yes it'll help medium but no it won't help classes that truly need help in medium without having a pretty high downside.
Considering how bad this change actually is for anything that is not a nightblade in PvP and is outright useless for PvE DPS. I think the majority of people would either see evasion either be reverted to dodge chance, reduce aoe damage reduction on it(mainly in terms of PvP on this one) or have the snare removal just extended. Unlike blade cloak this skill is used too often to have such a change warranted on it.
Could we get actual ZOS attention on this before it goes live and becomes one more annoying thing you've got to deal with and makes barely any sense when you actually think about it?
Edited by GC0 on October 9, 2018 10:14AM 25% damage reduction roughly is equal to 15k and more resistance. It does seem like a bit too much doesn't it? Yes it'll help medium but no it won't help classes that truly need help in medium without having a pretty high downside.
Considering how bad this change actually is for anything that is not a nightblade in PvP and is outright useless for PvE DPS. I think the majority of people would either see evasion either be reverted to dodge chance, reduce aoe damage reduction on it(mainly in terms of PvP on this one) or have the snare removal just extended. Unlike blade cloak this skill is used too often to have such a change warranted on it.
Could we get actual ZOS attention on this before it goes live and becomes one more annoying thing you've got to deal with and makes barely any sense when you actually think about it?
PC - EU
CP 1200+
Greenkoma - EP Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Templar
Greencoma - DC Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Dragonknight
Komahh - EP Colonel Grade 1 (25) Stamina Sorcerer
I swear I'm not a tank :^)
CP 1200+
Greenkoma - EP Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Templar
Greencoma - DC Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Dragonknight
Komahh - EP Colonel Grade 1 (25) Stamina Sorcerer
I swear I'm not a tank :^)
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a good thing for medium armor, imo. Medium armor can handle single target damage just fine. AoEs are undodgeable and hence ignore medium armor's primary defense mechanism.3 -
GC0✭✭✭This is a good thing for medium armor, imo. Medium armor can handle single target damage just fine. AoEs are undodgeable and hence ignore medium armor's primary defense mechanism.
I agree but it is just blatantly too much reduction. And I am yet to have an issue with undodgeable damage on my medium stamplar ever during the time I've played the game. I don't think people understand just how nonthreatening aoe damage is(except for steel tornado and mostly if not only vs medium stamnbs).PC - EU
CP 1200+
Greenkoma - EP Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Templar
Greencoma - DC Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Dragonknight
Komahh - EP Colonel Grade 1 (25) Stamina Sorcerer
I swear I'm not a tank :^)0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a good thing for medium armor, imo. Medium armor can handle single target damage just fine. AoEs are undodgeable and hence ignore medium armor's primary defense mechanism.
I agree but it is just blatantly too much reduction. And I am yet to have an issue with undodgeable damage on my medium stamplar ever during the time I've played the game. I don't think people understand just how nonthreatening aoe damage is(except for steel tornado and mostly if not only vs medium stamnbs).
Well, I mainly play brawlerNB in medium and almost 80% of my death are AoEs, most of which I cannot really counter as it ignores my entire defense kit, while passive dodge helps other medium enemies avoid my burst quite often.0 -
GC0✭✭✭This is a good thing for medium armor, imo. Medium armor can handle single target damage just fine. AoEs are undodgeable and hence ignore medium armor's primary defense mechanism.
I agree but it is just blatantly too much reduction. And I am yet to have an issue with undodgeable damage on my medium stamplar ever during the time I've played the game. I don't think people understand just how nonthreatening aoe damage is(except for steel tornado and mostly if not only vs medium stamnbs).
Well, I mainly play brawlerNB in medium and almost 80% of my death are AoEs, most of which I cannot really counter as it ignores my entire defense kit, while passive dodge helps other medium enemies avoid my burst quite often.
That's the thing it is really not a good change for anything but nightblade. And the class is already much better than other classes while being in medium and it shouldn't get such an indirect buff which makes other classes even more annoying to play vs anything that has an evasion buff on not just nb. It's a good change only for stamnbs and it doesn't deserve anything but nerfs to it direct or indirect.PC - EU
CP 1200+
Greenkoma - EP Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Templar
Greencoma - DC Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Dragonknight
Komahh - EP Colonel Grade 1 (25) Stamina Sorcerer
I swear I'm not a tank :^)0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a good thing for medium armor, imo. Medium armor can handle single target damage just fine. AoEs are undodgeable and hence ignore medium armor's primary defense mechanism.
I agree but it is just blatantly too much reduction. And I am yet to have an issue with undodgeable damage on my medium stamplar ever during the time I've played the game. I don't think people understand just how nonthreatening aoe damage is(except for steel tornado and mostly if not only vs medium stamnbs).
Well, I mainly play brawlerNB in medium and almost 80% of my death are AoEs, most of which I cannot really counter as it ignores my entire defense kit, while passive dodge helps other medium enemies avoid my burst quite often.
That's the thing it is really not a good change for anything but nightblade. And the class is already much better than other classes while being in medium and it shouldn't get such an indirect buff which makes other classes even more annoying to play vs anything that has an evasion buff on not just nb. It's a good change only for stamnbs and it doesn't deserve anything but nerfs to it direct or indirect.
Stamplars, stamdens, magplars and even stamsorcs can shut down medium armor stamNBs. Most of the super NBs are heavy bleedblades. Medium stamNBs are okayish outside of ganking, which is a very different playstyle.0 -
GC0✭✭✭This is a good thing for medium armor, imo. Medium armor can handle single target damage just fine. AoEs are undodgeable and hence ignore medium armor's primary defense mechanism.
I agree but it is just blatantly too much reduction. And I am yet to have an issue with undodgeable damage on my medium stamplar ever during the time I've played the game. I don't think people understand just how nonthreatening aoe damage is(except for steel tornado and mostly if not only vs medium stamnbs).
Well, I mainly play brawlerNB in medium and almost 80% of my death are AoEs, most of which I cannot really counter as it ignores my entire defense kit, while passive dodge helps other medium enemies avoid my burst quite often.
That's the thing it is really not a good change for anything but nightblade. And the class is already much better than other classes while being in medium and it shouldn't get such an indirect buff which makes other classes even more annoying to play vs anything that has an evasion buff on not just nb. It's a good change only for stamnbs and it doesn't deserve anything but nerfs to it direct or indirect.
Stamplars, stamdens, magplars and even stamsorcs can shut down medium armor stamNBs. Most of the super NBs are heavy bleedblades. Medium stamNBs are okayish outside of ganking, which is a very different playstyle.
Medium stamnbs are much better or equal than all of those in solo PvP and most importantly Xv1 lolEdited by GC0 on October 9, 2018 9:46AMPC - EU
CP 1200+
Greenkoma - EP Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Templar
Greencoma - DC Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Dragonknight
Komahh - EP Colonel Grade 1 (25) Stamina Sorcerer
I swear I'm not a tank :^)0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is a good thing for medium armor, imo. Medium armor can handle single target damage just fine. AoEs are undodgeable and hence ignore medium armor's primary defense mechanism.
I agree but it is just blatantly too much reduction. And I am yet to have an issue with undodgeable damage on my medium stamplar ever during the time I've played the game. I don't think people understand just how nonthreatening aoe damage is(except for steel tornado and mostly if not only vs medium stamnbs).
Well, I mainly play brawlerNB in medium and almost 80% of my death are AoEs, most of which I cannot really counter as it ignores my entire defense kit, while passive dodge helps other medium enemies avoid my burst quite often.
That's the thing it is really not a good change for anything but nightblade. And the class is already much better than other classes while being in medium and it shouldn't get such an indirect buff which makes other classes even more annoying to play vs anything that has an evasion buff on not just nb. It's a good change only for stamnbs and it doesn't deserve anything but nerfs to it direct or indirect.
Stamplars, stamdens, magplars and even stamsorcs can shut down medium armor stamNBs. Most of the super NBs are heavy bleedblades. Medium stamNBs are okayish outside of ganking, which is a very different playstyle.
Stamnbs are much better than all of those in solo PvP and most importantly Xv1.
Then you obviously dont playvmedium stamnb. Majority 1vXers are stamdens using crutch sets.0 -
GC0✭✭✭This is a good thing for medium armor, imo. Medium armor can handle single target damage just fine. AoEs are undodgeable and hence ignore medium armor's primary defense mechanism.
I agree but it is just blatantly too much reduction. And I am yet to have an issue with undodgeable damage on my medium stamplar ever during the time I've played the game. I don't think people understand just how nonthreatening aoe damage is(except for steel tornado and mostly if not only vs medium stamnbs).
Well, I mainly play brawlerNB in medium and almost 80% of my death are AoEs, most of which I cannot really counter as it ignores my entire defense kit, while passive dodge helps other medium enemies avoid my burst quite often.
That's the thing it is really not a good change for anything but nightblade. And the class is already much better than other classes while being in medium and it shouldn't get such an indirect buff which makes other classes even more annoying to play vs anything that has an evasion buff on not just nb. It's a good change only for stamnbs and it doesn't deserve anything but nerfs to it direct or indirect.
Stamplars, stamdens, magplars and even stamsorcs can shut down medium armor stamNBs. Most of the super NBs are heavy bleedblades. Medium stamNBs are okayish outside of ganking, which is a very different playstyle.
Stamnbs are much better than all of those in solo PvP and most importantly Xv1.
Then you obviously dont playvmedium stamnb. Majority 1vXers are stamdens using crutch sets.
No I know that too many stamnbs are too *** to do PvP properly and play the class well enough.PC - EU
CP 1200+
Greenkoma - EP Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Templar
Greencoma - DC Grand Overlord Grade 2 (50) Stamina Dragonknight
Komahh - EP Colonel Grade 1 (25) Stamina Sorcerer
I swear I'm not a tank :^)1