Why was VO, Quick Serpent, and Dreugh King Slayer nerfed, but not Skooma Smuggler?

templesus

The aforementioned were nerfed because they "provided too long of uptime on major expedition" yet Skooma provides 30 seconds of it after drinking a potion...is there a reason it was not nerfed as well?

Checkmath

Probably the set is so unkown that even ZoS does not know of its existence

idk

Considering Zos stated they are still looking at speed pots, it may come with that.

Masel

Skooma Smuggler doesnt give anything besides major expedition, and to get a 100% uptime you need to have at least 2 infused potion CD glyphs or wear jorvulds guidance in conjunction. You'd have to give up a lot to make it work in the first place.

Liofa

Asking the important questions...

StamWhipCultist

Its because skooma smuggler is light armor set.

Minno

I really detest these types of threads lol.

ATomiX96

had a good laugh +1 OP

TheCyberDruid

"Hey, Queenie! You missed a mage!"

templesus

Masel92 wrote: »

Skooma Smuggler doesnt give anything besides major expedition, and to get a 100% uptime you need to have at least 2 infused potion CD glyphs or wear jorvulds guidance in conjunction. You'd have to give up a lot to make it work in the first place.

Nobody was talking about 100% uptime, VO/QS/DKS only lasts for 20 seconds and even then that’s only when you kill something.. dreugh king slayer only gives the major expedition as well (nobody sane will count the major brutality) so what exactly am I missing here? Bias?

Take for example a 1v1 scenario: Skooma will have use of its 5 pc for 66% uptime, DKS will have exactly 0%

Take for example a 1vX scenario: DKS will likely have higher uptime so long as you are maintaining skills

Both have drawbacks and both are situational, so why was one nerfed and not the other? Serious, unbiased question here.

Dashmatt

Because, somehow, that set needs a nerf even less than the other 3 did.

Feanor

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

"Hey, Queenie! You missed a mage!"

Uncle Sheo is the best.

kojou

Don't worry I'm sure it was not an intentional omission and it will not survive Nerfmire.

Minno

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

Valrien

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

It's more pointing out the fact that they're trying to standardize everything but keep missing stuff.

They either need to be consistent in their changes or leave things as is

templesus

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

Niche build? I literally don’t run any of those sets. I don’t understand why you think I’m pushing my own agenda here. Like I stated this is a serious unbiased question why one was nerfed and other wasn’t.

As stated above it’s about zenimax being consistent in what they do. Sorry if you planned on running Skooma next patch😐

Minno

Valrien wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

It's more pointing out the fact that they're trying to standardize everything but keep missing stuff.

They either need to be consistent in their changes or leave things as is

templesus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

Niche build? I literally don’t run any of those sets. I don’t understand why you think I’m pushing my own agenda here. Like I stated this is a serious unbiased question why one was nerfed and other wasn’t.

As stated above it’s about zenimax being consistent in what they do. Sorry if you planned on running Skooma next patch😐

Except what will happen is this set will get nerfed, and then none of the speed changes will be revised.
So all it's doing is creating noise lol.

Ive said many times that solution to speed was:
- keep forward momentum nerf
- revert swift nerfs
- revert major expedition nerfs
- add speed cap or diminishing returns.

Stop letting the devs get away with lazy fixes lol.

templesus

Minno wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

It's more pointing out the fact that they're trying to standardize everything but keep missing stuff.

They either need to be consistent in their changes or leave things as is

templesus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

Niche build? I literally don’t run any of those sets. I don’t understand why you think I’m pushing my own agenda here. Like I stated this is a serious unbiased question why one was nerfed and other wasn’t.

As stated above it’s about zenimax being consistent in what they do. Sorry if you planned on running Skooma next patch😐

Except what will happen is this set will get nerfed, and then none of the speed changes will be revised.
So all it's doing is creating noise lol.

Ive said many times that solution to speed was:
- keep forward momentum nerf
- revert swift nerfs
- revert major expedition nerfs
- add speed cap or diminishing returns.

Stop letting the devs get away with lazy fixes lol.

Do you actually believe these Devs will do that lmao?

Minno

templesus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

It's more pointing out the fact that they're trying to standardize everything but keep missing stuff.

They either need to be consistent in their changes or leave things as is

templesus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

Niche build? I literally don’t run any of those sets. I don’t understand why you think I’m pushing my own agenda here. Like I stated this is a serious unbiased question why one was nerfed and other wasn’t.

As stated above it’s about zenimax being consistent in what they do. Sorry if you planned on running Skooma next patch😐

Except what will happen is this set will get nerfed, and then none of the speed changes will be revised.
So all it's doing is creating noise lol.

Ive said many times that solution to speed was:
- keep forward momentum nerf
- revert swift nerfs
- revert major expedition nerfs
- add speed cap or diminishing returns.

Stop letting the devs get away with lazy fixes lol.

Do you actually believe these Devs will do that lmao?

If everyone keeps making noise threads like this, no.

templesus

Minno wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

It's more pointing out the fact that they're trying to standardize everything but keep missing stuff.

They either need to be consistent in their changes or leave things as is

templesus wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

Niche build? I literally don’t run any of those sets. I don’t understand why you think I’m pushing my own agenda here. Like I stated this is a serious unbiased question why one was nerfed and other wasn’t.

As stated above it’s about zenimax being consistent in what they do. Sorry if you planned on running Skooma next patch😐

Except what will happen is this set will get nerfed, and then none of the speed changes will be revised.
So all it's doing is creating noise lol.

Ive said many times that solution to speed was:
- keep forward momentum nerf
- revert swift nerfs
- revert major expedition nerfs
- add speed cap or diminishing returns.

Stop letting the devs get away with lazy fixes lol.

Do you actually believe these Devs will do that lmao?

If everyone keeps making noise threads like this, no.

I've already accepted they wouldn't revert it because the Class Reps told them in the meeting it was a terrible idea to nerf expedition and they still did it. I'll continue to probe as to why zenimax is not remaining consistent, thanks for voicing your concern.

TheNightflame

likely gonna happen: speed stays nerfed for a patch or two so people trait change rings and swap gear, then they revert the changes so things are balanced and people can re-grind

Brutusmax1mus

Oh come on! Shut up!!

NoTimeToWait

It's just simple protectionism. This one offers an opinion: skooma dealers have connections in ZOS, and seeing all recent patches, one has to question if they were conceived in a skooma induced dream. Or maybe it's just this one is in a skooma dream and will someday wake up. Unfortunately, with skooma you never know if it is you or the others are dreaming

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Masel92 wrote: »

Skooma Smuggler doesnt give anything besides major expedition, and to get a 100% uptime you need to have at least 2 infused potion CD glyphs or wear jorvulds guidance in conjunction. You'd have to give up a lot to make it work in the first place.

Not really. With two infused potion CD glyphs you can run a quad buff potion the normal spell power pots now with 30 seconds of Major expedition. You will be able to keep a 100% buff on all four buff three from the potion and the speed buff.

Now if you go all Infused and CD glyphs and had some Clever Alchemist you should dance around your enemies and lay down some serious damage. So ZoS is less worried about Players have 100% uptime and more worried about stamina having 100% up time. There is no balance here.

OrphanHelgen

Quick serpent was overperforming AF. The 5th piece bonus have been absolutely BIS for years now. Finally they took their precious time to look into this set. It have been a high priority for a long time, and finally they found out the reason why this set is so broken it literally ruins the game. As far as I understand it, a simple change in numbers on a set isn't that easy, so lets all appretiate this change as it's a job that will take months and even years to complete.

Derra

Valrien wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

It's more pointing out the fact that they're trying to standardize everything but keep missing stuff.

They either need to be consistent in their changes or leave things as is

potions have a cooldown already - killing things does not have a cooldown.

templesus

Derra wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

nothing like the community asking ZOS to updated underused 5pc sets and then making a thread asking they nerf one of them because their niche build got deleted lol.

It's more pointing out the fact that they're trying to standardize everything but keep missing stuff.

They either need to be consistent in their changes or leave things as is

potions have a cooldown already - killing things does not have a cooldown.

uptime =\= cooldown

It’s a common misconception. It’s far to situational to compare the uptime of either set, but just because it doesn’t have a cooldown does not mean it has more uptime.

Lord_Eomer

Checkmath wrote: »

Probably the set is so unkown that even ZoS does not know of its existence

This!

Checkmath

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Probably the set is so unkown that even ZoS does not know of its existence

This!

Well I am suprised, how my first post got so many agrees, insightfuls and awesomes....

Witar

Cause smuggling skooma is a hard business

PathwayM

Because no one is going to use that garbage set anyway. The nerfs to the sets in OP are likely for the purpose of reducing their appeal in pvp since they will still remain completely effective at what they were already doing in pve.

No one is going to use skooma smuggler in pvp or pve anyway so it really isn't even worth the consideration especially since coward's set exists already.