Player vs Player- End of 2018

Skander

-Stamina is stronger then magicka in everything but supporting.
-Heavy armor is stronger on stamina then magicka
-Bleeds up your win ratio by 90%
-Cyrodill is so laggy your skills don't even register
-You can't tank anymore a large group of pugs
-Stamina Wardens can apply for all "roles" at once without drawbacks
-There are more counters to magicka then stamina
-Shields are gonna still be a iusse
-Heavy armor is only gonna be viable for stamina users since they can literally not slot any resource set
-Heavy attacks on magicka weapons are clunky and slower then on stamina weapons
-Earthgore is still in this game
-Proximity detonation is useless in everything but a suicide bomb build
-Siege weapons are way too strong versus infantry.
-Guards are way to annoying (i have counted 5 negates in 3 seconds), this is pvp not pve
-Dawnbreaker should cost 150 minimum
-Befoul should go, as for the dmg vs shields cp
-If you aren't in a group of at least 3 people, in which 1 at least is a stamina player, you won't get fun smallscale
-Ranged builds are countered by 1 skill (for dks, wardens), 1 skills (from the S&B skill-line)
-Heavy armor feels like wearing a pijama if you are fighting more then 1 opponent
-Undaunted skills are still useless in pvp
-Magicka heals are the only thing that keeps magicka afloat. Nerf that and let's reroll all stamina
-Having a Gap-Closer (which is not a teleport)= suiciding
-Cyrodill doesn't reward a player enough. I don't talk about fancy things, more then a reason to be fighting there.
-Forward camp respawn time should decrease. Keeping the fight on it's what's fun. Strategising killing camps should be a thing
-Too many slows, too many soft ccs.
-Everyone is evolving on snare removal. Templar still has a 4k purge that may not remove slows
-Magicka nightblade is still uselsss in open world or in a group (congrats on killing its spammable btw)
-Damage is getting too high for tanky people, too low for non-tanky folks. (how % dmg reduction works)
-Everyone shold be able to run away from a fight. Not only Stamina, Sorcerers or Nightblades (when cloak works)
-Channel skills are useless. You get punished too much for using them
-Time Freeze is a joke, it's buggy and unfair
-Fighting outnumbered is now punished too heavly.
-Running low on stamina? Just heavy attack with dual wielded axes, you gonna get tons of stamina back, damage and a bleed dot that doesn't scale on resistences! Don't forget the weapon enchants or poisons too

Ragnarock41

Oh yeah, that totally explains the 10 to 1 magDK/templar-stamDk/stamplar ratio in PvP.

We're in a stam meta because stamden and stamblade...

better nerf take flight I guess.

Edit: Oh wait, they already did. Its called major evasion.

VaranisArano

ZOS still hasnt fixed the lag and persistent perdormance issues in Cyrodiil. What new bugs will Nerfmire introduce? What old bugs will reappear?

Hey, at least we have an updated map to fight and lag and disconnect from!

Rex-Umbra

Op summed it up. Stamina has always dominated pvp only exception was magic sorc. Magicka classes always pushed to ninche roles and support.

Maryal

Well then, guess it's time to shake up the meta ... out with the old and in with the new!
So, who's going to create the new meta? Anyone? Helloooo? Still not hearing any takers ...


Hmmm.... I guess it's a done deal then. We keep the old meta, whether it works or not.
I think I saw a rock ... you know, the type you can crawl under and hide.

Skander

Update:

Bleed damage in non-cp. 5k in 2 hits.

2.5k of unmitigable damage.

Welcome to PvP

Be stamina or die

Sergykid

nice list but nobody will care.

also, stamina is not stronger, i switched from magicka to stamina and i must say that mag is way better in terms of survivability and utility. It's just more boring and dull.

Zer0oo

pvp is becoming more and more a joke

Jameliel

If somehow anyone in charge like Wrobel sees this thread, they're gonna start getting fresh NERF ideas for everything possible in your list. Devs start daydreaming about nerfs like.....

boombazookajd

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS still hasnt fixed the lag and persistent perdormance issues in Cyrodiil. What new bugs will Nerfmire introduce? What old bugs will reappear?

Hey, at least we have an updated map to fight and lag and disconnect from!

And the ability to reorder our toons!

Crixus8000

Lol I was expecting a dumb list but I agree with 90% of it. Quite sad

KoultouraS

While you guys pretend that you enjoy this ... lag/broken/cancer build fest , the OP lives in year 3018. Thnx for summing it up quite eloquently, mate.

The_Brosteen

Skander wrote: »

Update:

Bleed damage in non-cp. 5k in 2 hits.

2.5k of unmitigable damage.

Welcome to PvP

Be stamina or die

Be stam or die? I've never run effecient purge on a stam class. Think its more like be a templar or die if youre gonna go with the whole "bleeds are broken" thing.

FloppyTouch

100% agree on everything you said about pvp. This is getting so stupid and yet people will still deny any of what you mentioned as an issue bc they fear the return of elder staffs online.

Skander

Sergykid wrote: »

nice list but nobody will care.

also, stamina is not stronger, i switched from magicka to stamina and i must say that mag is way better in terms of survivability and utility. It's just more boring and dull.

That's dull? Scure.

That's stronger then magicka? That's scure too.

Vahrokh

Skander wrote: »

-Stamina is stronger then magicka in everything but supporting.
-Heavy armor is stronger on stamina then magicka
-Bleeds up your win ratio by 90%
-Cyrodill is so laggy your skills don't even register
-You can't tank anymore a large group of pugs
-Stamina Wardens can apply for all "roles" at once without drawbacks
-There are more counters to magicka then stamina
-Shields are gonna still be a iusse
-Heavy armor is only gonna be viable for stamina users since they can literally not slot any resource set
-Heavy attacks on magicka weapons are clunky and slower then on stamina weapons
-Earthgore is still in this game
-Proximity detonation is useless in everything but a suicide bomb build
-Siege weapons are way too strong versus infantry.
-Guards are way to annoying (i have counted 5 negates in 3 seconds), this is pvp not pve
-Dawnbreaker should cost 150 minimum
-Befoul should go, as for the dmg vs shields cp
-If you aren't in a group of at least 3 people, in which 1 at least is a stamina player, you won't get fun smallscale
-Ranged builds are countered by 1 skill (for dks, wardens), 1 skills (from the S&B skill-line)
-Heavy armor feels like wearing a pijama if you are fighting more then 1 opponent
-Undaunted skills are still useless in pvp
-Magicka heals are the only thing that keeps magicka afloat. Nerf that and let's reroll all stamina
-Having a Gap-Closer (which is not a teleport)= suiciding
-Cyrodill doesn't reward a player enough. I don't talk about fancy things, more then a reason to be fighting there.
-Forward camp respawn time should decrease. Keeping the fight on it's what's fun. Strategising killing camps should be a thing
-Too many slows, too many soft ccs.
-Everyone is evolving on snare removal. Templar still has a 4k purge that may not remove slows
-Magicka nightblade is still uselsss in open world or in a group (congrats on killing its spammable btw)
-Damage is getting too high for tanky people, too low for non-tanky folks. (how % dmg reduction works)
-Everyone shold be able to run away from a fight. Not only Stamina, Sorcerers or Nightblades (when cloak works)
-Channel skills are useless. You get punished too much for using them
-Time Freeze is a joke, it's buggy and unfair
-Fighting outnumbered is now punished too heavly.
-Running low on stamina? Just heavy attack with dual wielded axes, you gonna get tons of stamina back, damage and a bleed dot that doesn't scale on resistences! Don't forget the weapon enchants or poisons too

I agree on most of what you say!

By the way, I still need to buy those shoulders from you...

shaielzafine

It's sad your list is full of things I agree with. And next patch we get even more dumb proc sets along with nerfs to shields. No news about any lag fixes or loading screens. I hear they are trying to fix sprint bug but not random resource drains. I guess I'm keeping my visits to Cyrodiil for getting my transmute stones.

NyassaV

Sergykid wrote: »

nice list but nobody will care.

also, stamina is not stronger, i switched from magicka to stamina and i must say that mag is way better in terms of survivability and utility. It's just more boring and dull.

LOL, yeah but good luck killing anything

Troneon

Depressing.

MaxwellC

Lol didn't know Stam DK was somehow better I guess that new passive change that makes poison abilities slightly less costly put us over the top

Gargath

Skander wrote: »

-Cyrodill is so laggy your skills don't even register
-Siege weapons are way too strong versus infantry.

Agree for the lag, the animation cancelling on several skills used by my oponent usually makes me completely vulnerable, as once the game calculated my turn I'm usually already dead. All I think then is wtf just happened.

Siege weapons are strong but only when stacked (esp. oils) and coldharbour. The stupid thing is they can stack oils on the ram and kill everyone, but when you as a dedicated healer stack your high hp heals in the same place these heals have no real effect.

Ah and don't forget about disappearing parts of the keep walls. You have a chance to be pushed out of the keep down by the game, if you stand in the wrong place. Here aiming to the part of walls which disappeared during fight and everyone mysteriously fell down to the ground.

StamWhipCultist

Skander wrote: »

-Stamina is stronger then magicka in everything but supporting.
-Heavy armor is stronger on stamina then magicka
-Bleeds up your win ratio by 90%
-Cyrodill is so laggy your skills don't even register
-You can't tank anymore a large group of pugs
-Stamina Wardens can apply for all "roles" at once without drawbacks
-There are more counters to magicka then stamina
-Shields are gonna still be a iusse
-Heavy armor is only gonna be viable for stamina users since they can literally not slot any resource set
-Heavy attacks on magicka weapons are clunky and slower then on stamina weapons
-Earthgore is still in this game
-Proximity detonation is useless in everything but a suicide bomb build
-Siege weapons are way too strong versus infantry.
-Guards are way to annoying (i have counted 5 negates in 3 seconds), this is pvp not pve
-Dawnbreaker should cost 150 minimum
-Befoul should go, as for the dmg vs shields cp
-If you aren't in a group of at least 3 people, in which 1 at least is a stamina player, you won't get fun smallscale
-Ranged builds are countered by 1 skill (for dks, wardens), 1 skills (from the S&B skill-line)
-Heavy armor feels like wearing a pijama if you are fighting more then 1 opponent
-Undaunted skills are still useless in pvp
-Magicka heals are the only thing that keeps magicka afloat. Nerf that and let's reroll all stamina
-Having a Gap-Closer (which is not a teleport)= suiciding
-Cyrodill doesn't reward a player enough. I don't talk about fancy things, more then a reason to be fighting there.
-Forward camp respawn time should decrease. Keeping the fight on it's what's fun. Strategising killing camps should be a thing
-Too many slows, too many soft ccs.
-Everyone is evolving on snare removal. Templar still has a 4k purge that may not remove slows
-Magicka nightblade is still uselsss in open world or in a group (congrats on killing its spammable btw)
-Damage is getting too high for tanky people, too low for non-tanky folks. (how % dmg reduction works)
-Everyone shold be able to run away from a fight. Not only Stamina, Sorcerers or Nightblades (when cloak works)
-Channel skills are useless. You get punished too much for using them
-Time Freeze is a joke, it's buggy and unfair
-Fighting outnumbered is now punished too heavly.
-Running low on stamina? Just heavy attack with dual wielded axes, you gonna get tons of stamina back, damage and a bleed dot that doesn't scale on resistences! Don't forget the weapon enchants or poisons too

List Id call "everything I dislike should be nerfed 2018"

Facefister

Lets nerf f*cking everything.

ZarkingFrued

"Magicka nightblade is still uselsss in open world or in a group (congrats on killing its spammable btw) " really? I know magblades you can't touch with a zerg. They need the nerf they're getting. Sounds like OP is a salty mag sorc who wants his shields back.

Skander

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

"Magicka nightblade is still uselsss in open world or in a group (congrats on killing its spammable btw) " really? I know magblades you can't touch with a zerg. They need the nerf they're getting. Sounds like OP is a salty mag sorc who wants his shields back.

Shields got buffed

Donny_Vito

-Heavy armor feels like wearing a pijama if you are fighting more then 1 opponent

I agree with a lot of the list except this. Heavy Armor is the meta right now (and will continue to be even more in Murkmire) because of how OP it is against multiple opponents and you still have the ability to dish out mass damage.

Kuramas9tails

Donny_Vito wrote: »

-Heavy armor feels like wearing a pijama if you are fighting more then 1 opponent

I agree with a lot of the list except this. Heavy Armor is the meta right now (and will continue to be even more in Murkmire) because of how OP it is against multiple opponents and you still have the ability to dish out mass damage.

@Donny_Vito Someone who is suppose to wear heavy armor is suppose to be tanker. The fact that it's the meta (again) for DPS tells you that its main purpose as a heavy armor wearer is broken.

Skander

Donny_Vito wrote: »

-Heavy armor feels like wearing a pijama if you are fighting more then 1 opponent

I agree with a lot of the list except this. Heavy Armor is the meta right now (and will continue to be even more in Murkmire) because of how OP it is against multiple opponents and you still have the ability to dish out mass damage.

Heavy armor is the meta for stamina. it sucks on magicka

Donny_Vito

@Kuramas9tails I do not disagree with you on that. I disagree with the OP who said Heavy Armor is like "wearing a pajama against multiple opponents." In the history of MMO's, heavy armor is supposed to be tank set that sacrifices damage-output for more damage-taken. That isn't the case in ESO. You can wear heavy armor and still have great sustain and damage, while also taking on multiple opponents. We're in the heavy armor meta right now, and it's only going to get worse in Murkmire.

Actually_Goku

Must admit, it is quite frustrating getting close to pulling off 1v4 in BG’s only to be killed by “twin blade and blunt bleed” hits of 6k along with spin-to-win spams of 10k in 2 animation-cancelled seconds. The best I can do is mist form away, hope that I still have the Magicka left to fossilise (I don’t).

Mag DK lyf