What do you consider to be a fair selling price in zone?

Saucy_Jack

I"m just wondering what the average forum-goer's thought process is regarding selling prices in zone chat. I'm not asking about what you consider to be GOOD prices; I'm asking about what you consider to be FAIR prices.

idk

Far to many choices for this to even have entertainment value.

Lysette

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I don't like WTB and WTS in zone chat - zone chat is not meant to be a trading chat.

MLGProPlayer

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Zone chat prices should always be cheaper than guild stores since it's less convenient to buy from another player directly versus a guild store and it carries a risk of getting scammed.

If you're selling stacks of dreugh wax in zone at MM value, I have no reason to buy from you since I can just get them from any trader at that price.

Imryll

I tend to ignore offers in /zone because I figure that if it's a good offer it will have sold by the time I've researched the item. I don't buy many items from other players and when I do it's because I want something specific, generally within a pretty short timeframe. By offering the item in zone, the seller is timing the transaction at their convenience rather than mine and bypassing the cost of listing the item for sale. They would need to offer some sort of carrot to get me to drop what I'm doing to do business with them.

VaranisArano

I usually ignore Zone Chat sellers unless they are selling enough below my own MM that it would actually be a deal.

I only post my own MM for an item in chat if someone asks for a price check or their price is egregiously over (or under) the cost of a commonly traded item.

idk

Lysette wrote: »

I don't like WTB and WTS in zone chat - zone chat is not meant to be a trading chat.

And you will never get rid of that from Zone chat. In another game that had an actual trade channel that hit all zones players still used Zone.

I have zone off. Never saw any comment posted that made keeping it on worth it.

phileunderx2

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There are no absolutes about what you are asking for the stuff you sell. If you want to try to get a crazy high price for your stuff go ahead. The result will be that you will most likely not sell anything. TTC and MM are guides to what items are worth and nothing more.

Lysette

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idk wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I don't like WTB and WTS in zone chat - zone chat is not meant to be a trading chat.

And you will never get rid of that from Zone chat. In another game that had an actual trade channel that hit all zones players still used Zone.

I have zone off. Never saw any comment posted that made keeping it on worth it.

Yeah, I did the same now - too annoying.

Imryll

Lysette wrote: »

I don't like WTB and WTS in zone chat - zone chat is not meant to be a trading chat.

So where do you think folks who don't belong to a trading guild should advertise items they want to sell? I think that in the absence of an AH available to everyone it is the obvious place to discuss sales.

firedrgn

Fair is whatever you can work out and both people accept. Some will pay more than x some less. X is just a starting place

Lysette

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Well, on PC EU I have never sold anything - when I think of it, I didn't even do that on PC NA yet, even I am in a guild there. On EU I have 14 characters, they earn enough that I never have to sell anything. And if I would want to do that, I would join a trading guild - but I have no need to, I am just a customer, not a trader. A customer of guild traders that is, not buying from private. If I do not need something, I give it away for free - at least that is what I did so far.

With this i want to say, one can be totally self-sufficient in the game, there is no need to trade anything.

Osteos

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Whatever someone is willing to pay.

Solariken

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It's a fair price if someone is willing to pay it.

I get pretty salty at these jerks who berate you in zone for posting something like "WTB Butterfly Wing 40g per"

Kel

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Imryll wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I don't like WTB and WTS in zone chat - zone chat is not meant to be a trading chat.

So where do you think folks who don't belong to a trading guild should advertise items they want to sell? I think that in the absence of an AH available to everyone it is the obvious place to discuss sales.

^pretty much this.
2 of my 5 guilds are trade guilds that lose bids constantly, and that's mostly due to it being a free/donation based guild. I'll never pay 15k weekly to be a part of a guild. Especially on PS4 where players pay that amount to some guilds that don't even attempt to go for a trade spot. I'll sell in zone and keep all my gold, thanks.

That being said, I'll always check traders and sell below the "standard" price. (No add ons for console...can't vote anything but "other" on the PC biased poll..) Alloy, for example, goes for 8k on ps4. I'll sell in trade for 7.5/7k. Made a ton of gold this way.

Don't personally care if players like seeing offers in zone or not. I have items to sell at a good price and they sell fast, so that's a win/win.

Starlock

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None of the poll options really apply to console.

On console, those who state prices up front in zone are typically cheaters/botters. They’ll post willingness to buy various crafting materials (e.g. tempers) that have a well known value at obviously rip off prices, or have suspicious sell prices for those same materials (obtained by botting). I call them out for what they are in chat as they are obviously aiming to prey on new players who don’t know the market. Then I block them. Sometimes report them if it is obvious from their profile that the account is a front for a botting operation. Botting is a serious problem on console, and the ringleaders exploit zone chat in particular. Legit players who use zone generally post things like motifs or gear, then just say ‘looking to buy’ or ‘willing to sell’ without naming a price.

Gilvoth

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depends on whom i am selling it to, and what the item is.
if it's Rare item or perhaps the person is Very rich and considers giving me a Large tip on the item that others do not normaly give.
there are Many factors to take into consideration during a "fair" transaction, even if its conducted in zone chat.
and on that rate to me, it would then be considered a "fair price"

Glurin

It can get a bit complicated, but generally speaking a fair price is somewhere close to the average value of the item in question. Could be lower, could be higher. As long as it's in the ballpark, it's "fair".

FloppyTouch

Cant really pick anything bc I'm on console

But when I sell something in zone chat I look it up in a prime spot in a guild trader then take some gold off.

If it sells for 10k in a prime spot in zone I sell for 8k

If it's something that sells for 300k I sell in zone for 250k

Just how I do it

Armatesz

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tbh xbox na doesn't have a reliable site that does price checking so you kinda pick up some things by looking at guild trader prices here and there every 2 days or so. Although tbh I've been checking almost daily for various pricing and notice some odd things among some. Found out some of the sites that do pricing on xbox na uses their own guild prices and from what I can tell price fix stuff and it seems like some kind of con game. Like they would lower the value of certain things and then after a while reraise it back up to double or more the value of said item and then I notice their guild traders have them at the accelerated value.

redspecter23

I consider it a fair price if it reasonably follows expected market trends, even if it's above MM data or TTC listing data

I find it fair if it's somewhat reasonable compared to what it could sell for in a store. Someone posting "WTB ALL KUTAS, 500g EACH" will get publicly called out for those shenanigans. If they are buying for 1500 - 2000g it's still a bit below store price but at least they aren't looking to swindle people to an extreme.

At least that's my opinion on it.

PzTnT

I consider nothing a fair price unless it's being offered at a significant discount from current TTC listing data

I've played EvE in the past and thus don't trust anything being spammed in chat. If its a really good deal its probably a scam, if not then just get it off a guild trader without risking getting ripped off.

ZeroXFF

I consider nothing a fair price unless it's being offered at a significant discount from current TTC listing data

Why would I buy something in zone if it wasn't cheaper than what I can buy from a trader?

Kikke

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MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Zone chat prices should always be cheaper than guild stores since it's less convenient to buy from another player directly versus a guild store and it carries a risk of getting scammed.

If you're selling stacks of dreugh wax in zone at MM value, I have no reason to buy from you since I can just get them from any trader at that price.

what he said

Armatesz

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redspecter23 wrote: »

I find it fair if it's somewhat reasonable compared to what it could sell for in a store. Someone posting "WTB ALL KUTAS, 500g EACH" will get publicly called out for those shenanigans. If they are buying for 1500 - 2000g it's still a bit below store price but at least they aren't looking to swindle people to an extreme.

At least that's my opinion on it.

On xbox na that is a severe undercut.

MLGProPlayer

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Armatesz wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I find it fair if it's somewhat reasonable compared to what it could sell for in a store. Someone posting "WTB ALL KUTAS, 500g EACH" will get publicly called out for those shenanigans. If they are buying for 1500 - 2000g it's still a bit below store price but at least they aren't looking to swindle people to an extreme.

At least that's my opinion on it.

On xbox na that is a severe undercut.

Mats are dirt cheap on PC because of higher supply (due to more efficient farming with add-ons and rampant botting), as well as more price competition due to pricing add-ons.

Lysette

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PzTnT wrote: »

I've played EvE in the past and thus don't trust anything being spammed in chat. If its a really good deal its probably a scam, if not then just get it off a guild trader without risking getting ripped off.

Exactly my reason why I do not pay attention to those offers - EVE.

Jayman1000

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A fair price is the price that is not too far from what potential buyers are potentially willing to pay while also being not too far from the price that potential sellers are potentially willing to sell for. Updated MM info (usually less than 3 days data) with complimentary TTC info can be great tools to figure out where this price span may lie. Though even very updated MM and TTC can not just be trusted. You have to consider a trend for a commodity, it may be falling in value, thus what may seem like 25% discount could actually be the current "0%" (we could call this the "fair price" average) depending on how many days you extract the data for and vice versa. You'll also want to consider people playing the MM system by selling/buying their own listings with other accounts thus creating fake data to either inflate or deflate prices.

jluchau

well, if someone is willing to pay then whatever price you two agree on is fair. That being said, I won't pay MM prices in chat because I know that MM prices include taxes that go to both the game and the guild so the seller isn't getting all that gold, outside of a GT there is no tax so the price should be lower. But, this is just my opinion and others feel differently i'm sure.

Jayman1000

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jluchau wrote: »

well, if someone is willing to pay then whatever price you two agree on is fair. That being said, I won't pay MM prices in chat because I know that MM prices include taxes that go to both the game and the guild so the seller isn't getting all that gold, outside of a GT there is no tax so the price should be lower. But, this is just my opinion and others feel differently i'm sure.

I felt that too for some time. But I realized that trading through zone chat and directly takes time and effort for communication. Since time is money one might argue that this communicative effort alone could fairly raise the price.

Jayman1000

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ZeroXFF wrote: »

Why would I buy something in zone if it wasn't cheaper than what I can buy from a trader?

You might actually be wanting that item at that price. You could buy it there without having to go find it at a guild trader. Maybe it's not a high volume item, thus can be more difficult to find at traders. This has happened a few times, suddenly someone advertises an item I want and I reply and we make the deal quickly. In those cases it can be much quicker than browsing through several traders in several zones.