PvE vs PvP - Toxicity at an all time high?

Bam_Bam

Interesting to see how many toxic threads there are with both "sides" of the community at each other's throats.

Sad too, when really, neither is responsible for the problems that cause the triggering.

Still, while it can be fun to have a bit of a giggle at each other's expense, people really need to learn when to dial it down and restrain themselves.

If you really, and I mean TRULY, dislike the game/PvP/PvE/other players, you should probably quit or take a break from the game.

Wollust

As far as I remember, it has always been like that.

SpiderCultist

I do both, PvE and PvP

and I only blame Wrobel

Turelus

There are toxic elements and sadly they are more memorable and vocal than the good elements sometimes.

I do agree that anyone who isn't have fun to the extent it's making them act like terrible people they should probably take a step back and cool off before taking ESO on again with a fresh perspective.

The best we can all do though is try to not be toxic, encourage and promote the awesome things people do for each other in the community. Rather than dwelling on the trash talk and hate whispers, spread stories of the people who go out of their way to help a new group etc.

Ilithyania

Turelus wrote: »

There are toxic elements and sadly they are more memorable and vocal than the good elements sometimes.

I do agree that anyone who isn't have fun to the extent it's making them act like terrible people they should probably take a step back and cool off before taking ESO on again with a fresh perspective.

The best we can all do though is try to not be toxic, encourage and promote the awesome things people do for each other in the community. Rather than dwelling on the trash talk and hate whispers, spread stories of the people who go out of their way to help a new group etc.

I am impressed by the ESO community regarding this Summerfall event. Twitch streamers and people in gamechat are very helpful.

bearbelly

Wollust wrote: »

As far as I remember, it has always been like that.

On every forum for every game that has PvE and PvP; a deeply instilled feature of gaming culture.

Jeremy

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Interesting to see how many toxic threads there are with both "sides" of the community at each other's throats.

Sad too, when really, neither is responsible for the problems that cause the triggering.

Still, while it can be fun to have a bit of a giggle at each other's expense, people really need to learn when to dial it down and restrain themselves.

If you really, and I mean TRULY, dislike the game/PvP/PvE/other players, you should probably quit or take a break from the game.

PvE'ers have a legitimate complaint here to be honest. Because abilities often are nerfed so as to appease PvPers who are obsessed with the word "balance" and want any ability that gets in the way of their relentless slaying of other players nerfed into the ground.

I've had my entire character build ruined due to PvP nerfs before. It's pretty annoying. So I can understand their frustration. And though the developers claim these shield nerfs were aimed at PvE as well, I'm skeptical to be honest. I believe it's more likely shields were getting in the way of this game's combat developer's ability to gank his opponents.

Bam_Bam

Jeremy wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Interesting to see how many toxic threads there are with both "sides" of the community at each other's throats.

Sad too, when really, neither is responsible for the problems that cause the triggering.

Still, while it can be fun to have a bit of a giggle at each other's expense, people really need to learn when to dial it down and restrain themselves.

If you really, and I mean TRULY, dislike the game/PvP/PvE/other players, you should probably quit or take a break from the game.

PvE'ers have a legitimate complaint here to be honest. Because abilities often are nerfed so as to appease PvPers who are obsessed with the word "balance" and want any ability that gets in the way of their relentless slaying of other players nerfed into the ground.

I've had my entire character build ruined due to PvP nerfs before. It's pretty annoying. So I can understand their frustration. And though the developers claim these shield nerfs were aimed at PvE as well, I'm skeptical to be honest. I believe it's more likely shields were getting in the way of this game's combat developer's ability to gank his opponents.

Sorry mate. Swings and roundabouts. PvPers could argue that PvE has way more sets, a skill line that needs a real commitment to PvE to attain, more content in general.

But the point is - it is neither side of the communities fault that such imbalances are there.

Jeremy

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Interesting to see how many toxic threads there are with both "sides" of the community at each other's throats.

Sad too, when really, neither is responsible for the problems that cause the triggering.

Still, while it can be fun to have a bit of a giggle at each other's expense, people really need to learn when to dial it down and restrain themselves.

If you really, and I mean TRULY, dislike the game/PvP/PvE/other players, you should probably quit or take a break from the game.

PvE'ers have a legitimate complaint here to be honest. Because abilities often are nerfed so as to appease PvPers who are obsessed with the word "balance" and want any ability that gets in the way of their relentless slaying of other players nerfed into the ground.

I've had my entire character build ruined due to PvP nerfs before. It's pretty annoying. So I can understand their frustration. And though the developers claim these shield nerfs were aimed at PvE as well, I'm skeptical to be honest. I believe it's more likely shields were getting in the way of this game's combat developer's ability to gank his opponents.

Sorry mate. Swings and roundabouts. PvPers could argue that PvE has way more sets, a skill line that needs a real commitment to PvE to attain, more content in general.

But the point is - it is neither side of the communities fault that such imbalances are there.

So give PvP players more sets and content. I don't think there is any PvE'er who would object to that. Those changes would not have a negative impact on another group of players like asking for abilities to be nerfed.

ayu_fever

as long as balance, nerfs, and changes to pve and pvp are NOT separated, it will always be pve vs pvp.

so in other words: theres good guys (pve players) and theres “those people”

edges_endgame

I am one of "those" people and the worst and toxic elements in this game are clearly the NPCs. They are rude, stalkerish and some def have a drinking/drug problem. Shame on them.

Bam_Bam

ayu_fever wrote: »

theres good guys (pve players) and theres “those people”

Quite. You demonstrate that impeccably.


*sigh*

Bam_Bam

edges_endgame wrote: »

I am one of "those" people and the worst and toxic elements in this game are clearly the NPCs. They are rude, stalkerish and some def have a drinking/drug problem. Shame on them.

LOL. An excellent point, very well made...

Turelus

Ilithyania wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

There are toxic elements and sadly they are more memorable and vocal than the good elements sometimes.

I do agree that anyone who isn't have fun to the extent it's making them act like terrible people they should probably take a step back and cool off before taking ESO on again with a fresh perspective.

The best we can all do though is try to not be toxic, encourage and promote the awesome things people do for each other in the community. Rather than dwelling on the trash talk and hate whispers, spread stories of the people who go out of their way to help a new group etc.

I am impressed by the ESO community regarding this Summerfall event. Twitch streamers and people in gamechat are very helpful.

Yeah it's been amazing to see both communities coming together to help each other works towards a common goal.
I don't think the multiple servers was ZOS' intention, but it's been a very awesome part of the event.

Xarc

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Interesting to see how many toxic threads there are with both "sides" of the community at each other's throats.

Sad too, when really, neither is responsible for the problems that cause the triggering.

Still, while it can be fun to have a bit of a giggle at each other's expense, people really need to learn when to dial it down and restrain themselves.

If you really, and I mean TRULY, dislike the game/PvP/PvE/other players, you should probably quit or take a break from the game.

welcome to internet.

Bam_Bam

Xarcus wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Interesting to see how many toxic threads there are with both "sides" of the community at each other's throats.

Sad too, when really, neither is responsible for the problems that cause the triggering.

Still, while it can be fun to have a bit of a giggle at each other's expense, people really need to learn when to dial it down and restrain themselves.

If you really, and I mean TRULY, dislike the game/PvP/PvE/other players, you should probably quit or take a break from the game.

welcome to internet.

I've been online since 1993.

EDIT: Not literally - I also sleep, eat, annoy my girlfriend etc etc

AcadianPaladin

This is my first MMO and having played PvP only enough to get Vigor/Caltrops on two stam chars, I'm all PvE. That said, I was astonished that the 'big kid' players in Cyrodiil were . . . from a completely differing game. I mean different gear, different skills, different traits. I was struck by the concept that the game tries balance these two so disparate activities. That such an objective is not possible is evidenced by how long this game has been failing to do so with no improvement in sight. I know that I dread every single patch/upgrade because I have learned that each makes my game less fun. Another predictable result of the current joint balancing is the predictable prickliness between the two communities.

How many years of failing at trying to balance PvE / PvP together does it take to consider a different approach?

Kadoin

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

This is my first MMO and having played PvP only enough to get Vigor/Caltrops on two stam chars, I'm all PvE. That said, I was astonished that the 'big kid' players in Cyrodiil were . . . from a completely differing game. I mean different gear, different skills, different traits. I was struck by the concept that the game tries balance these two so disparate activities. That such an objective is not possible is evidenced by how long this game has been failing to do so with no improvement in sight. I know that I dread every single patch/upgrade because I have learned that each makes my game less fun. Another predictable result of the current joint balancing is the predictable prickliness between the two communities.

How many years of failing at trying to balance PvE / PvP together does it take to consider a different approach?

YAWN. Same story every time, yet every change I've seen that was REALLY bad for either PvP or PvE wound up being bad for both in the long run. Fact of the matter is, bad set design is ruining both PvE and PvE and its not going to change any time soon. I know plenty of builds that happen to be broken in PvP, and they are just as broken if not moreso in PvE. In fat, I go to vet DSA stage 1 solo to test my PvP builds.

VaranisArano

No, this isn't an all time high.

All time high is during the Anniversary Event when PVEers desperate for reward boxes swarm Cyrodiil to do the easy town dailies whine, scream, cry, moan, and complain bitterly about how those awful, cruel, meanspirited PVPers are killing them when they just want to quest!

This is just PVEers in denial that the devs nerfed damage shields for both PVP and PVE reasons.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

VaranisArano wrote: »

No, this isn't an all time high.

All time high is during the Anniversary Event when PVEers desperate for reward boxes swarm Cyrodiil to do the easy town dailies whine, scream, cry, moan, and complain bitterly about how those awful, cruel, meanspirited PVPers are killing them when they just want to quest!

This is just PVEers in denial that the devs nerfed damage shields for both PVP and PVE reasons.

So by your idiotic logic nobody is allowed to have opinion because you’re upset that some people are rightfully angered?

Also get out of here with your shield crap because that’s not even what the thread is about. Pretty sure your toxic post is what OP is referring to.

Fudly_budly

VaranisArano wrote: »

No, this isn't an all time high.

All time high is during the Anniversary Event when PVEers desperate for reward boxes swarm Cyrodiil to do the easy town dailies whine, scream, cry, moan, and complain bitterly about how those awful, cruel, meanspirited PVPers are killing them when they just want to quest!

This is just PVEers in denial that the devs nerfed damage shields for both PVP and PVE reasons.

Good to know that the npc dungeon and world bosses have equal representation at the class discussions with devs.

Bam_Bam

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

This is my first MMO and having played PvP only enough to get Vigor/Caltrops on two stam chars, I'm all PvE. That said, I was astonished that the 'big kid' players in Cyrodiil were . . . from a completely differing game. I mean different gear, different skills, different traits. I was struck by the concept that the game tries balance these two so disparate activities. That such an objective is not possible is evidenced by how long this game has been failing to do so with no improvement in sight. I know that I dread every single patch/upgrade because I have learned that each makes my game less fun. Another predictable result of the current joint balancing is the predictable prickliness between the two communities.

How many years of failing at trying to balance PvE / PvP together does it take to consider a different approach?

More than 4 it seems...

Bruccius

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Interesting to see how many toxic threads there are with both "sides" of the community at each other's throats.

Sad too, when really, neither is responsible for the problems that cause the triggering.

Still, while it can be fun to have a bit of a giggle at each other's expense, people really need to learn when to dial it down and restrain themselves.

If you really, and I mean TRULY, dislike the game/PvP/PvE/other players, you should probably quit or take a break from the game.

Last time I checked, the PvE playerbase being toxic had to do with being ganked while on a quest in Cyrodiil.

So I wouldn't say ''neither is responsible''.

keevil111

I think if a video game makes you mad, you should quit playing.

As for ZOS, it's a testament to them that players who are so overtuned with anger and hostility about the game they play don't seem to actually want to quit. LMAO!

"If such and such doesn't get fixed, I'm gunna... I'm gunna... I'm gunna take a break!"

VaranisArano

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

No, this isn't an all time high.

All time high is during the Anniversary Event when PVEers desperate for reward boxes swarm Cyrodiil to do the easy town dailies whine, scream, cry, moan, and complain bitterly about how those awful, cruel, meanspirited PVPers are killing them when they just want to quest!

This is just PVEers in denial that the devs nerfed damage shields for both PVP and PVE reasons.

So by your idiotic logic nobody is allowed to have opinion because you’re upset that some people are rightfully angered?

Also get out of here with your shield crap because that’s not even what the thread is about. Pretty sure your toxic post is what OP is referring to.

Not trying to be toxic. Look, we're at each others throats right now because of the shields nerf. How many threads are there right now where PVEers blame PVPers for complaining about shields getting nerfed, even though the devs pointed out it was nerfed for both? The PVP-blamers can have their opinion, but unless they wanna say the devs are lying, their opinion is wrong.

And I disagree with the OP's title. This is isn't the most toxic I've ever seen PVEers and PVPers. As you yourself pointed out in other threads where we've talked, PVEers get very upset when they get killed while just trying to quest. As you well know, PVPers get really annoyed when told they shouldn't PVP in Cyrodiil or Imperial City. Maybe you don't recall the vitriol being spewed on both sides during the Anniversary Event, but I do, and I think it was worse than this.

Bam_Bam

Bruccius wrote: »

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Interesting to see how many toxic threads there are with both "sides" of the community at each other's throats.

Sad too, when really, neither is responsible for the problems that cause the triggering.

Still, while it can be fun to have a bit of a giggle at each other's expense, people really need to learn when to dial it down and restrain themselves.

If you really, and I mean TRULY, dislike the game/PvP/PvE/other players, you should probably quit or take a break from the game.

Last time I checked, the PvE playerbase being toxic had to do with being ganked while on a quest in Cyrodiil.

So I wouldn't say ''neither is responsible''.

Whose idea was it to send the PvE'ers into a PvP zone then? Pretty sure it was neither PvPers OR PvEers.

OrphanHelgen

In my experience, it's the players who don't know the game that yells about how bad everyone is.

A few examples are dd's who dies from oneshot and blames heal.

A tank that blames low dps when he give 0 buffs or debuffs, even range taunting so no fracture and on top of that, have this kiting playstyle where for some reason every mob have to move around like a *** train out of every aoe.

And some player doesn't matter role, that talks and talks about tactic and how to do stuff like if he was the best player on the server, but after looking at this player on recording, he couldn't play at all. Some players are really good at talking and know how stuff works, but once it come to actually do it ingame, they can't do it. Maybe they think in their head they are doing it correct or something.

DanteYoda

I truely dislike pvp.. and its players..

Its not ESO specific though, i detest pvp in all gaming and to me if anything killed gaming it was esports and everything associated to it.

Fudly_budly

keevil111 wrote: »

I think if a video game makes you mad, you should quit playing.

As for ZOS, it's a testament to them that players who are so overtuned with anger and hostility about the game they play don't seem to actually want to quit. LMAO!

"If such and such doesn't get fixed, I'm gunna... I'm gunna... I'm gunna take a break!"

^^^
Exactly! The ultimate consumer vote is with their wallet. All the rest is just posturing.

Two of my three primary characters are Magicka based and will take a hit with the shield nerf. Did I yell scream and generally throw a tantrum? No. I stopped the auto renew on my ESO plus.

visionality

keevil111 wrote: »

I think if a video game makes you mad, you should quit playing.

As for ZOS, it's a testament to them that players who are so overtuned with anger and hostility about the game they play don't seem to actually want to quit. LMAO!

"If such and such doesn't get fixed, I'm gunna... I'm gunna... I'm gunna take a break!"

Actually I PVP and PVE both (yet), and while PVE is in a pretty healthy state, PVP is clearly dying. Talking about PC EU, we only have 2 CP-servers left for what was 5 a year ago, and unless its Friday night and rainy, never are they both poplocked. Playerbase has been dwindling for years, due to intolerable lag, toxic no-skill-sets and an utterly unbalanced PVP campaign setup.

LukosCreyden

What about pvp?
What about pve?
What about all the things that you said we were to gain?
What about cyrodiil?
Is there a point?
What about all the things that you said was yours and mine?
Did you ever stop to notice
All the stuff they've nerfed before?
Did you ever stop to notice
This crying game, these weeping forums?
Ah Ooh
Ah Ooh
What have we done to the community?
Look what we've done
What about all the peace that you pledge your only son?
What about shield nerfs?
Is there a point?
What about all the dreams that you said was yours and mine?