Mount Speed

ZorroDeMar

I have notice that some not all mount have different speed. My character is max on all horce attributes but the new Hollowjack rider ride very slow and the hist guar too. But my black sache lion ride very fast. Can all mount ride at the same speed?

Katahdin

They are all the same speed if you have max speed.

The senche feel faster I think because they are closer to the ground

ZorroDeMar

NOt realy I have test the rides and tehy have diferent speed

Katahdin

ZorroDeMar wrote: »

NOt realy I have test the rides and tehy have diferent speed

If so its a bug because all mounts have the same base speed and you have the same increased with rapids or other speed augmenters

I highly doubt you did an adequate test.
Ive ran in a pack of different mounts in Cyrodiil, with all on rapids and max speed leveled, no mount ran faster than any other mount

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Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I have max speed and most of my mounts HAVE DIFFERENT SPEEDS. I hate this!

tuxon

The speed is the same. But almost everyone uses the skill from Alliance Tree to ride faster. And if you use add on for auto enabling it the glow from the actual skill is hidden so you don't see that particular skill active.

BWS2K

Mount size scales to your model size, and different mounts run differently (a guar has only two legs, etc.). The speed is the same but the perceived speed is different. This is why it feels weird to play for an hour on my tall character and then switch to my shorty - they cover the same distance but one has much longer strides. Of course, I've never put this to an exact test and I'd be interested to see if I'm wrong.

MrGarlic

I've been wanting to test this on various mounts. Here are my results:

Rider - Wood Elf. Mount skills maxed. Wind running passive active (ie: 120CP in Lover) No other speed buffs except as detailed below.

Test track is from Honrich Tower Wayshrine to Riften Wayshrine along the main road. Same route each time. Rapids reapplied at 1 sec duration remaining.

All times in seconds.

Doom Wolf Mount
Without Rapids - 102s
With Rapids - 80s

Sorrel Horse
Without Rapids - 102s
With Rapids - 80s

Dwarven Spider
Without Rapids - 103s
With Rapids - 80s

Green Narsis Guar
Without Rapids - 102s
With Rapids - 80s

Hammerfell Camel.
Without Rapids - 103s
With Rapids - 80s

Nix-Ox War Steed
Without Rapids - 103s
With Rapids - 80s

Leopard Senche
Without Rapids - 103s
With Rapids - 80s

(Margin for error +/- 1s)

Conclusion:

All mounts have the same speed.

Melkoj

I think you're feeling the running animations being different

Armatesz

Katahdin wrote: »

They are all the same speed if you have max speed.

The senche feel faster I think because they are closer to the ground

Kinda but also kinda not. I tested with another person next to me that had the same speed and there can be times where a mount can mess with speeds, mostly go slower, not actually faster. Some mounts have better terrain managing. It is really a glitch imo, but it isn't one I have been fully able to figure out to report or it would have been something I would have reported. I probably should do the same thing like I did with the fall damage glitch and post a video and see if someone else can figure what is going on.

ZorroDeMar

Thank to take the time and test your mounts. Maybe you have a point with Mount mess with speed. The nightmare Courser can ride a steady while the Hollowjack can stop and mess the ride. Hist Guar ride is the slowest and it make some kind of jumping that maybe is what is making him go slow.

MrGarlic

I just tested this on PC/EU as well and found the results were the same.

Europe time is equal to North America time, apparently.

Gorne Striped Wolf
Without Rapids - 103s
With Rapids - 80s

EDITED for typo.

swippy

@MrGarlic i appreciate your rigor. i hope that other interested parties will recognize the value of it and begin to approach it.

lillybit

If you're testing on different characters, maybe one has the CP speed boost enabled

Doctor_Demento

I also have done testing and he IS right. It is NOT a perceived difference in speed. It is a real one. Testing the mounts against other riders there IS a difference. Been here 5 years now and there IS a difference in speed. And there is difference in speed by type of mount on what terrain as well. And there is a difference in speed on travelling up and down stairs for instance. Some mounts do it much faster than others. So no, you can put all the "test results" you want to post up here. I have tested it myself against other riders and against my own mounts. There IS a difference is mount speeds. You can disagree if you like, that is your right. But I still disagree with you. It is something that has annoyed the hell out of me for years. *EDIT* I wanted to add, thnx to those that understand. I am not 13. I am a retired network engineer in the industry for 48 years. I have been gaming online since 1994. I have done 58 betas to date including this game. I have 3 degrees in programming. I know how perception in games work. I know how mounts of all types work. From robots to bears. There is a difference in speed by how the different mounts handle terrain, stairs, obstacles, etc. They do NOT handle them the same . It is not a difference in perception. It is a difference in programming. I am not anally retentive like some. I am not going to give you "diagrams and pictures with circles and arrows" explaing it all. As I already stated, you disagree, fine. That is your choice. This is mine and I stand by it. As you can see, neco or not, there are people who still agree it is real and those who disagree and those who just choose to be obnoxious and rude. For me, this conversation is over. You decide on your opinion. I have decided on mine and it still is a pet peeve.**EDIT**

ArchangelIsraphel

Testing mounts against other riders is not a conclusive way to test mount speed due to the latency you will inevitably experience when information is sent to your client from the server. I can be sitting in the same room with someone else playing ESO and I will see them on my screen running behind me, while on their screen it looks as though they are running in front of me. The mount is, in fact, running at the same speed- but what you see will vary.

The only way to test mount speed is to clock it yourself. And even then you may get subtle variables depending on internet connection, server latency, and other factors.

Danikat

Doctor_Demento wrote: »

I also have done testing and he IS right. It is NOT a perceived difference in speed. It is a real one. Testing the mounts against other riders there IS a difference. Been here 5 years now and there IS a difference in speed. And there is difference in speed by type of mount on what terrain as well. And there is a difference in speed on travelling up and down stairs for instance. Some mounts do it much faster than others. So no, you can put all the "test results" you want to post up here. I have tested it myself against other riders and against my own mounts. There IS a difference is mount speeds. You can disagree if you like, that is your right. But I still disagree with you. It is something that has annoyed the hell out of me for years.

So which mounts are faster?

Would be really helpful for the rest of us if you could list them from fastest to slowest, based on your observations.

nickl413

Fyrakin's Minimap has a speedometer on it. Here is a video of me testing most of the different mount types. On my character they all have a max speed of about 267%. 100% being your normal run speed on foot. I dont own a kagouti and I missed the nix ox mount in the video but tested it and it is the same.

https://youtu.be/_fot0EgZ_hw

lagrue

ZorroDeMar wrote: »

NOt realy I have test the rides and tehy have diferent speed

I'm not sure I trust your tests very much considering this topic has happened 100s of times over the years and been disproven every single time.

SeaGtGruff

I suspect that there could be apparent speed differences between different mounts caused by differences in how they react to the terrain, differences in how they jump, etc.

For example, some mounts will slow down markedly if they hit a small bump, while other mounts seem to just run right over those same bumps without missing a beat.

And if you race your mount toward the top of stairs-- that is, along level terrain approaching the stairs, such as by the pig farmer at the top of the stairs that go down to the guild traders in Daggerfall-- and then jump just as you reach the top of the stairs, some mounts remain airborne a little bit longer than others.

And yes, I realize that the precise timing of your leap-- that is, how close you are to the edge-- can make a difference in how far past the bottom of the stairs you are when your mount lands, but even so there is an observable difference in how long a given mount remains airborne.

And then there are differences in maneuverability when turning; some mounts seem to be able to turn on a dime, while others seem like they slip and slide when you try to turn them or stop them.

So even if the base speeds of all mounts are identical when riding in a straight line on completely flat terrain, the ways they differ with respect to the preceding situations might very well cause differences in the overall travel times.

But that's just my observation using a few different mounts, and I haven't done any carefully-controlled tests with all mounts.

nryerson1025

its a psychological thing. i feel like bears and guars run slow af but they actually run at the same speed

Kel

I hope everyone noticed the thread started in 2018

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Sylvermynx

Kel wrote: »

I hope everyone noticed the thread started in 2018

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Hah. Well, it's apparent no one (but thee and me) did.

Cirantille

They should be the same for fairness but I agree that guars feel slower

oXI_Viper_IXo

They are all the same and until you can show some video evidence using the scientific method, this is all pointless speculation. Also, nice necro.

zaria

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

They are all the same and until you can show some video evidence using the scientific method, this is all pointless speculation. Also, nice necro.

Yes, simplest way is just to ride an straight line, Alkir is pretty flat and open so ride an significant distance between two locations.
Now low mounts like senches and wolfs will feel faster because you are close to the ground.
Many say they also handle better as in less chance of stutter and turn faster.

Marcus684

I’ve tried most types of mount, and some just seem to run more smoothly. The Striped Senche seems to jump and accelerate more smoothly than any of the guar, bear or horse mounts. Their top speeds may be the same, but how they handle terrain is noticeably different to me.

LoneStar2911

Marcus684 wrote: »

I’ve tried most types of mount, and some just seem to run more smoothly. The Striped Senche seems to jump and accelerate more smoothly than any of the guar, bear or horse mounts. Their top speeds may be the same, but how they handle terrain is noticeably different to me.

YES.
I've also favored cat/senche mounts because they seem to handle all terrains well.
Horses are absolutely terrible.
Like you said, they may all reach the same top speeds, but different mount races tend to handle terrains differently.
It's annoying.

Fischblut

I learned about different riding experience of different types of mounts in 2017

I have a video which shows all mount types and how they react to jumping/obstacles (except for spider/nix-ox type, but those mounts don't have any problem with terrains and jumping):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJs8AEIg6VA

Any horse/elk/indrik and guar/kagouti mounts will slow down after jumping/falling. So they might seem slower, but it's just their awful reaction to terrain.

It can be "fixed" if you cast Rapid Maneuver and hold spring button - only then they behave good on terrains.

This problem has not been actually fixed, so it's still relevant after all these years. Please, fix guar and horse based mounts, so that they don't slow down.

Doctor_Demento

Hmm OK funny thing. 2 days ago they patched the so called "perceived" speed difference. ALL of the mounts are now equal in speed and they are ALL fast now. So I guess they fixed that so called "perceived" speed. Must have used magic. Uh huh, lions and tigers and bears, oh my...oh look charts with circles and arrows explaining the "stats" that now work. Thank you ZOS.

Cavedog

As the poster above pointed out in detail, mount speed is the same for all mounts. You can do some stuff to get a very slightly faster run speed mounted like CP's into a skill tree that at 120cp will give you 2% faster run speed, but that's about all you can do to change mount speed.

It is shocking how much the perceived difference is just based on animation though.