Is there anything that shows there will be hope for other classes in PVE besides NB?!

BeefyMrTips

Maybe I am not looking in the right spot but is there anything that shows that our requests for PVE balance between all classes is in the works? All I see right now is that Class Reps exist and have meetings to state our issues but there is absolutely nothing that shows there will be anything done about it. lol can we get some sort of timeline from the devs of when and what changes are on the table, being worked, and time of implementation????

oxygen_thief

class reps threads exist to let off steam. i doubt they have ever read them. there is no timeline because they dont know what they are doing and what they should do. but you can be sure you will see some repainted itmes in the store

Valrien

They're going to sell an ability reskin for Sorcs to change all their spells to red and black. That way they at least feel like they're contributing

susmitds

Nightblades are the top DPS now, sure. But that's the only thing they are good for in endgame PvE. They are third-grade tanks and healers. Templars, DKs and Wardens got that covered.
Also, top class NBs are only dealing 2-3% damage in real fights (not counting skele DPS as NBs get all buffs for solo-DPS themselves). The average actually deals less damage than some other classes but it is really the best players who can push the best DPS out of NBs due higher skill celing for NB. The top guilds will always use the DPS who can get best DPS, even if it is 2%. And the averages ones tend to gravitate to streamer builds and start QQing. It was the same thing at several times in the past. Sometimes, it was all Magsorc, one time, it was all MagDKS, once Magplars and so on. Unless, you makes all classes virtually the same with just different "skins", the difference of 1k-2k will always be there and top players will switch to the top DPS class.
It actually makes sense for NBs to be top DPS, as that's the only role they can qualify in real end-game stuff like vet.Trials. I guess, sorcs are the exceptions as well, but NBs are squishier than sorcs and there can't really be two kings as one will always be better and for the past few years, NBs were basically lesser sorcs and should have an equally long time in the limelight.

TequilaFire

Join SORC - Sorcerer Over Reacting Club today and whine out those nasty Nightblades!

iiYuki

I'm sure in some future patch they will nerf NB into the ground for no reason then buff some other character to stupid levels and the cycle continues.

MLGProPlayer

Warden has been the worst class in PvE since it launched last year in June (their endgame usage was at 2.7% as of Summerset). ZOS has completely neglected the class, so balance clearly isn't their priority with this game. I wouldn't hold my breath that they fix anything for the foreseeable future.

Drdeath20

Im holding out hope for next major patch. If it doesnt blow my socks off then im shelving ESO for good. 4 years of fun and frustration but the developers have had no long term vision for end game.

max_only

What goes around comes around. ESO balance is rotational.

Back in my day NB practically had to offer “extraneous services” if they wanted a group.

CyberSkooma

I don't understand where this idea comes from that people think NB is the only viable PvE DPS class. Not at all true. If you haven't already, you need to talk to some Vet Trial guilds about DPS on other classes and stop reading the forums.

Valrien

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Warden has been the worst class in PvE since it launched last year in June (their endgame usage was at 2.7% as of Summerset). ZOS has completely neglected the class, so balance clearly isn't their priority with this game. I wouldn't hold my breath that they fix anything for the foreseeable future.

Wrong. Warden > Sorc

Wollust

Dude chill, it's always been like that. One class superior to every other. Remember how mag DK was pretty much on top for almost 2 years? It's just the ZoS balance cycle.

Valrien

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I don't understand where this idea comes from that people think NB is the only viable PvE DPS class. Not at all true. If you haven't already, you need to talk to some Vet Trial guilds about DPS on other classes and stop reading the forums.

Because NB does such high DPS that people legitimately see no reason not to bring them?

TequilaFire

Valrien wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I don't understand where this idea comes from that people think NB is the only viable PvE DPS class. Not at all true. If you haven't already, you need to talk to some Vet Trial guilds about DPS on other classes and stop reading the forums.

Because NB does such high DPS that people legitimately see no reason not to bring them?

You know you don't have to be the highest DPS to complete content and enjoy the game.
There were a lot of NB before the elite made them meta because they are just a fun class to play and everyone loves playing a rouge stealthy character.

CyberSkooma

TequilaFire wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I don't understand where this idea comes from that people think NB is the only viable PvE DPS class. Not at all true. If you haven't already, you need to talk to some Vet Trial guilds about DPS on other classes and stop reading the forums.

Because NB does such high DPS that people legitimately see no reason not to bring them?

You know you don't have to be the highest DPS to complete content and enjoy the game.
There were a lot of NB before the elite made them meta because they are just a fun class to play and everyone loves playing a rouge stealthy character.

Not even this. Other classes can hit into the 40s and 50s for DPS, so not sure why people keep saying that NB is the only option. It's not.

Sange13

Honestly, I don't think threads like this are very productive.

* ZOS is unlikely to read it, let alone act upon it.
* It's largely a perception issue. 1-3% more dps for one class doesn't mean it's the only viable one.
* There are other equally unproductive threads on this very topic. Those are likely being ignored too.
* True "balance" is a myth. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they can ask for more reasonable things.
* You really should have at least one of each class at max level. These kinds of threads are usually people crying that their "main" class isn't the top class. Either follow the fotm or deal with it.

DMuehlhausen

oxygen_thief wrote: »

class reps threads exist to let off steam. i doubt they have ever read them. there is no timeline because they dont know what they are doing and what they should do. but you can be sure you will see some repainted itmes in the store

Honest question. What do you still play?

Pink_Violinz

The classes go through a cycle all the time. Usually it's sorc on top, this time it just happens to be NB. Give it a few months, especially around a big chapter. Usually with big DLCs and expansions they butcher a class or two and buff another an absurd amount.

CyberSkooma

Sange13 wrote: »

Honestly, I don't think threads like this are very productive.

* ZOS is unlikely to read it, let alone act upon it.
* It's largely a perception issue. 1-3% more dps for one class doesn't mean it's the only viable one.
* There are other equally unproductive threads on this very topic. Those are likely being ignored too.
* True "balance" is a myth. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they can ask for more reasonable things.
* You really should have at least one of each class at max level. These kinds of threads are usually people crying that their "main" class isn't the top class. Either follow the fotm or deal with it.

This. this this this.

Tsukiino

Nightblade:

1) Minor Berserk
2) Strong burst via Bow ^ Also tied to Minor Berserk
3) Skills are cheap to use
4) Off healing via spammable
5) Generates ultimate for casting Siphoning abilities
6) Generates ultimate for using potions
7) 10% Crit Damage modifiers
8) 8% Max Magicka for slotting a Siphoning ability
9) Strong, scaling execute
10) Cheap ultimate, that also increases ALL of your damage done to the target
11) Resource return for killing enemies with Assassination abilities
12) Critical bonuses for slotting Assassination abilities
13) Max Health and Major Resolve/Ward bonuses from Shadow abilities
14) GODLY sustain with Siphoning Attacks

You can see why they hit the hardest, have the best sustain, and also are able to off heal.

They're very strong for sure, but the solution is not to nerf them, but to buff the other classes. Starting with sustain especially.

Jinchuu

Wasn't it just recently shown that magdens have the highest PvE dps? Why do people continue to claim otherwise then? In fact why do people even care, there are very few people performing well enough to be pulling peak dps so people crying about having to play the "best" dps class makes no sense.

TheInfernalRage

Sange13 wrote: »

Honestly, I don't think threads like this are very productive.

* ZOS is unlikely to read it, let alone act upon it.
* It's largely a perception issue. 1-3% more dps for one class doesn't mean it's the only viable one.
* There are other equally unproductive threads on this very topic. Those are likely being ignored too.
* True "balance" is a myth. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they can ask for more reasonable things.
* You really should have at least one of each class at max level. These kinds of threads are usually people crying that their "main" class isn't the top class. Either follow the fotm or deal with it.

THIS.

This is why I don't go for the meta because it sets a one-dimensional mindset. There's literally nothing preventing you from playing other classes. When one does a build right, if indeed one knows how to build and not just copy, it can be very viable.

Have fun and enjoy a game instead of following a hierarchical structure. Know your stats. I saw someone pulling more than 40k DPS using Elegant and Julianos. I don't think this game needs more than that, unless your personality needs a boost in self-esteem by topping the rankings or something.

Priyasekarssk

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Maybe I am not looking in the right spot but is there anything that shows that our requests for PVE balance between all classes is in the works? All I see right now is that Class Reps exist and have meetings to state our issues but there is absolutely nothing that shows there will be anything done about it. lol can we get some sort of timeline from the devs of when and what changes are on the table, being worked, and time of implementation????

Class representatives are in discussion how to buff NBs for next patch. If you have a NB character you should be fine. My best bet is they will nerf DK & Templar. NB tank , NB dps & NB healer.

acw37162

Yes, the DK meta, the NB meta, then the Sorc meta, then the return of the NB.

So yeah 3 years of empirical evidence.

Daedric_NB_187

My Magsorc does just fine in PvE. I can solo world bosses and public dungeons with it. And I do great in dungeons. I don't play trials or vet hm. But for everything else, I have no issues.

Lieblingsjunge

acw37162 wrote: »

Yes, the DK meta, the NB meta, then the Sorc meta, then the return of the NB.

So yeah 3 years of empirical evidence.

WTB MAGPLAR META.


No, honestly. Every class can reach high enough numbers to clear all content. But if you want to join those high-end guilds like Hodor / Unchained Animals (On PC/EU) where just a few seconds separate the scoreboard, then sure: You'll need to get as much out of everything as possible. But let's face it, most of the player-base will never achieve that anyway(Sorry to break someone's bubble). So there's no point in balancing the game after the 0,01% of the player base that's in those crazypant-guilds.

But for completing vet-content, even the veteran trials, those few seconds doesn't really matter. Just for the sake of clearing it.

LiquidPony

Tsukiino wrote: »

Nightblade:

1) Minor Berserk
2) Strong burst via Bow ^ Also tied to Minor Berserk
3) Skills are cheap to use
4) Off healing via spammable
5) Generates ultimate for casting Siphoning abilities
6) Generates ultimate for using potions
7) 10% Crit Damage modifiers
8) 8% Max Magicka for slotting a Siphoning ability
9) Strong, scaling execute
10) Cheap ultimate, that also increases ALL of your damage done to the target
11) Resource return for killing enemies with Assassination abilities
12) Critical bonuses for slotting Assassination abilities
13) Max Health and Major Resolve/Ward bonuses from Shadow abilities
14) GODLY sustain with Siphoning Attacks

You can see why they hit the hardest, have the best sustain, and also are able to off heal.

They're very strong for sure, but the solution is not to nerf them, but to buff the other classes. Starting with sustain especially.

Nightblades had all of these perks 18 months ago when no one used Nightblades in PvE at all and many raid groups were 8 magsorcs.

Honestly, if magsorcs had some very minor changes ... like free cast Frag procs, a modest increase (say +10%) to Frag proc damage, and a bit more sustain (maybe add Magicka Recovery to the Daedric Protection passive), they'd probably be just fine.

ArchMikem

You should specify MAGIC Nightblade. StamBlades are quite hard to master.

leepalmer95

Does it really matter.

Bis dps is pointless for 99% of the games pve and it only matter on leaderboards.

And even regarding leader board what zos will do is nerf nb's somehow or nerf the bis sets they use.
Buff another set or bring a stronger one in the new dlc.


Then pve dps meta chasers.

1. Buy the dlc because games p2w.
2. Reroll the new meta class, bonus time wasted if you don't have that class and need to make it, leveling, undaunted, psyjiic/ mages guild etc..
3. Have everyone farm the new gear, more bonus time wasted. Zos team too make the stronger sets in dungeons/ trials harder to get and have lower drop chance.

Congrats you've now wasted like a month, lots of gold in tempers and likely either bought ps+ again ore renewed it only to get into the same spot you was with a bis dps last patch.

Now everyone becomes the new bis class, people cry on the forum repeat for 4 yrs.

Welcome to high end eso pve everyone.

Vahrokh

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I don't understand where this idea comes from that people think NB is the only viable PvE DPS class. Not at all true. If you haven't already, you need to talk to some Vet Trial guilds about DPS on other classes and stop reading the forums.

I do vet trials with 3 different guilds (2 of them are progression) and I've been asked several times to log off my fully golded, ESO day 0 sorc and use my 2 months old, only golded weapons NB instead.

leepalmer95

Vahrokh wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I don't understand where this idea comes from that people think NB is the only viable PvE DPS class. Not at all true. If you haven't already, you need to talk to some Vet Trial guilds about DPS on other classes and stop reading the forums.

I do vet trials with 3 different guilds (2 of them are progression) and I've been asked several times to log off my fully golded, ESO day 0 sorc and use my 2 months old, only golded weapons NB instead.

Well as its the strongest and just puts out more dps if played right your progression guilds wants all the advantage they can get when completing the first few times i guess.