Suggestion to Soul Harvest

Chelo

Incap still way better than Soul Harvest even with the stun attach to 120 ultimate points. I have 2 suggestions to make Soul Harvest a little more decent.

Option 1: The skill was undodgeable a few patches ago,I know it was a bug but this make the skill somehow on par with the Incap Stun. So the suggestion number one is to make the Skill undodgeable again when is casted with 120 Ultimate Points or more (same mechanic as Incap with the Stun).

Option 2: To be more in par with the MagBlade ''common'' playstyle, make the Skill a Range Ultimate when is casted with 120 Ultimate Points or more (same as Incap with the Stun but Soul Harvest becoming range), Devs already did the same to Impale when it became a Range Execute.

Ragnarock41

I think the last thing this game need right now is more love to nightblades. Literally every other class in the game is crying for some attention meanwhile nightblades enjoy the top spot in both pvp and pve, in both mag and stam dps.

I don't think a ranged soul harvest is a good idea either, magblades already risk too little to do extremely high damage, so unless this ranged harvest is reflectable,absorbable,blockable and dodgeable, I would say a huge no to it.

And you probably already guess my opinion about undodgeable harvest. It was a bug. you know what that means.

Chelo

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I think the last thing this game need right now is more love to nightblades. Literally every other class in the game is crying for some attention meanwhile nightblades enjoy the top spot in both pvp and pve, in both mag and stam dps.

I don't think a ranged soul harvest is a good idea either, magblades already risk too little to do extremely high damage, so unless this ranged harvest is reflectable,absorbable,blockable and dodgeable, I would say a huge no to it.

And you probably already guess my opinion about undodgeable harvest. It was a bug. you know what that means.

The entire MagBlade Single Target DPS kit is reflectable... A DK can counter and entire build just using Wings (we are talking about 1 skill vs an entire build). If Devs are not going to make Strife (and Morphs) unreflectable, at least give us an Undodgeable or Range Soul Harvest...

I dont give 2 cents about PvE LOL XD

Ragnarock41

Chelo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I think the last thing this game need right now is more love to nightblades. Literally every other class in the game is crying for some attention meanwhile nightblades enjoy the top spot in both pvp and pve, in both mag and stam dps.

I don't think a ranged soul harvest is a good idea either, magblades already risk too little to do extremely high damage, so unless this ranged harvest is reflectable,absorbable,blockable and dodgeable, I would say a huge no to it.

And you probably already guess my opinion about undodgeable harvest. It was a bug. you know what that means.

The entire MagBlade Single Target DPS kit is reflectable... A DK can counter and entire build just using Wings (we are talking about 1 skill vs an entire build). If Devs are not going to make Strife (and Morphs) unreflectable, at least give us an Undodgeable or Range Soul Harvest...

I dont give 2 cents about PvE LOL XD

Wings is the only thing keeping a Dk alive against a magblade. Even with that, magblade can choose to slot unreflectable abilities. There are many exceptions.

John_Falstaff

Chelo wrote: »

I dont give 2 cents about PvE LOL XD

Then why do you expect anyone to take your proposals seriously? That attitude eliminates any chance for constructive dialogue. You want buffs to your class in the part of the game you care about, and you're openly ready to dunk the part you don't into even bigger disarray than it's currently in. That's not how you talk about change proposals.

That said, I'm sure the desired changes will come. Both PvP and nightblades are ZOS' darlings, and, combined, they make a darling squared. So, everything will keep coming - more engaging and rewarding mechanics for abilities, more buffs, more versatility.

...oh, and they will nerf sorcs again. ^^

gannicus1389

Chelo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I think the last thing this game need right now is more love to nightblades. Literally every other class in the game is crying for some attention meanwhile nightblades enjoy the top spot in both pvp and pve, in both mag and stam dps.

I don't think a ranged soul harvest is a good idea either, magblades already risk too little to do extremely high damage, so unless this ranged harvest is reflectable,absorbable,blockable and dodgeable, I would say a huge no to it.

And you probably already guess my opinion about undodgeable harvest. It was a bug. you know what that means.

The entire MagBlade Single Target DPS kit is reflectable... A DK can counter and entire build just using Wings (we are talking about 1 skill vs an entire build). If Devs are not going to make Strife (and Morphs) unreflectable, at least give us an Undodgeable or Range Soul Harvest...

I dont give 2 cents about PvE LOL XD

no a DK can't. if you run a non stealth build with shields and high resource pool you will do insane damage and be very tanky with enough heals and sustain.
your "pet" shadow archer eats shimmering shields and wings charges.
an experienced mag blade won't lose to any magdk.

I think magdk is the FOTM now because rune cage n erf, and it is very obnoxious to fight someone perma immobilizing you. But magbalde is the perfect warrior.
you can weave funneal health+light attacks per 6k per use even on a heavy armor user with minor protection. and merciless is going to hit as hard as 13k crits on that same heavy armor user.

a proper built magblade is unstoppable.

Lexxypwns

The undodgeable mechanic is the correct one.

Soul Harvest can not become a ranged ultimate, it’s too strong

Checkmath

and i recently killed a magblade on my stamdk thanks to wings....
anyway i have to agree with pretty much everyone in here. magblades have a subpar ultimate with soul harvest compared to the stamnbs, but on the other hand a ranged soul harvest would probably be too strong on this class. nightblades pretty much are topdogs atm and very strong in all content. it is important to bring other classes up to nightblades before more cookies are thrown to this class. also caring for only one content results in bias, which is undesired for constructive feedback.

Pastas

Chelo wrote: »

Incap still way better than Soul Harvest even with the stun attach to 120 ultimate points. I have 2 suggestions to make Soul Harvest a little more decent.

Option 1: The skill was undodgeable a few patches ago,I know it was a bug but this make the skill somehow on par with the Incap Stun. So the suggestion number one is to make the Skill undodgeable again when is casted with 120 Ultimate Points or more (same mechanic as Incap with the Stun).

Option 2: To be more in par with the MagBlade ''common'' playstyle, make the Skill a Range Ultimate when is casted with 120 Ultimate Points or more (same as Incap with the Stun but Soul Harvest becoming range), Devs already did the same to Impale when it became a Range Execute.

Soul Harvest is a decent ultimate in its current form, no need to change it.

Following your logic stamblades could ask for a change to Relentless Focus because Merciless Resolve is better (increased damage and snare).

IAVITNI

Pastas wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Incap still way better than Soul Harvest even with the stun attach to 120 ultimate points. I have 2 suggestions to make Soul Harvest a little more decent.

Option 1: The skill was undodgeable a few patches ago,I know it was a bug but this make the skill somehow on par with the Incap Stun. So the suggestion number one is to make the Skill undodgeable again when is casted with 120 Ultimate Points or more (same mechanic as Incap with the Stun).

Option 2: To be more in par with the MagBlade ''common'' playstyle, make the Skill a Range Ultimate when is casted with 120 Ultimate Points or more (same as Incap with the Stun but Soul Harvest becoming range), Devs already did the same to Impale when it became a Range Execute.

Soul Harvest is a decent ultimate in its current form, no need to change it.

Following your logic stamblades could ask for a change to Relentless Focus because Merciless Resolve is better (increased damage and snare).

The logic is that magblades will almost always use Incap over Soul Harvest. This shouldn't be the case.

Just because something is performing well does not mean there is a need to stop balancing it. IF a positive change can be implemented alongside other more crucial issues why shouldn't it be?

Soul Harvest ignoring dodge would hardly be OP. Blocking 1 ultimate every 30 or so seconds isn't that big of a deal.

Anrose

I think Incap needs the defile removed and given exclusively to Soul Harvest. There needs to be a choice between “this or that” and not one demonstrably clear better option.

Feanor

The forum exploded after RC changes, it would absolutely melt if Soul Harvest became ranged.

susmitds

The game does not revolve around PvP. For PvE, Soul Harvest>>>>>>Incap Strike.

Soul Harvest should have always been the STam morph and Incap Strike the magicka morph.

Silver_Strider

After the stun got changed to cost 120 on Incap, I see more Dawnbreakers than Incap being used.

There's no incentive for Magblade to use Incap anymore in PvP since Incap was used solely for the stun effect and with it effectively removed, Soul Harvest is generally equal with Incap in its current state and Dawnbreaker is a generally better stun since its undodgable for the cost vs Incap's stun.

Chelo

Checkmath wrote: »

and i recently killed a magblade on my stamdk thanks to wings....
anyway i have to agree with pretty much everyone in here. magblades have a subpar ultimate with soul harvest compared to the stamnbs, but on the other hand a ranged soul harvest would probably be too strong on this class. nightblades pretty much are topdogs atm and very strong in all content. it is important to bring other classes up to nightblades before more cookies are thrown to this class. also caring for only one content results in bias, which is undesired for constructive feedback.

Soul Harvest been undodgeable wont affect PvE at all, bosses don't dodge anyway...

jaime1982

gannicus1389 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I think the last thing this game need right now is more love to nightblades. Literally every other class in the game is crying for some attention meanwhile nightblades enjoy the top spot in both pvp and pve, in both mag and stam dps.

I don't think a ranged soul harvest is a good idea either, magblades already risk too little to do extremely high damage, so unless this ranged harvest is reflectable,absorbable,blockable and dodgeable, I would say a huge no to it.

And you probably already guess my opinion about undodgeable harvest. It was a bug. you know what that means.

The entire MagBlade Single Target DPS kit is reflectable... A DK can counter and entire build just using Wings (we are talking about 1 skill vs an entire build). If Devs are not going to make Strife (and Morphs) unreflectable, at least give us an Undodgeable or Range Soul Harvest...

I dont give 2 cents about PvE LOL XD

no a DK can't. if you run a non stealth build with shields and high resource pool you will do insane damage and be very tanky with enough heals and sustain.
your "pet" shadow archer eats shimmering shields and wings charges.
an experienced mag blade won't lose to any magdk.

I think magdk is the FOTM now because rune cage n erf, and it is very obnoxious to fight someone perma immobilizing you. But magbalde is the perfect warrior.
you can weave funneal health+light attacks per 6k per use even on a heavy armor user with minor protection. and merciless is going to hit as hard as 13k crits on that same heavy armor user.

a proper built magblade is unstoppable.

Is funnel/swallow soul and flame staff la reflected by wings?

Checkmath

jaime1982 wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I think the last thing this game need right now is more love to nightblades. Literally every other class in the game is crying for some attention meanwhile nightblades enjoy the top spot in both pvp and pve, in both mag and stam dps.

I don't think a ranged soul harvest is a good idea either, magblades already risk too little to do extremely high damage, so unless this ranged harvest is reflectable,absorbable,blockable and dodgeable, I would say a huge no to it.

And you probably already guess my opinion about undodgeable harvest. It was a bug. you know what that means.

The entire MagBlade Single Target DPS kit is reflectable... A DK can counter and entire build just using Wings (we are talking about 1 skill vs an entire build). If Devs are not going to make Strife (and Morphs) unreflectable, at least give us an Undodgeable or Range Soul Harvest...

I dont give 2 cents about PvE LOL XD

no a DK can't. if you run a non stealth build with shields and high resource pool you will do insane damage and be very tanky with enough heals and sustain.
your "pet" shadow archer eats shimmering shields and wings charges.
an experienced mag blade won't lose to any magdk.

I think magdk is the FOTM now because rune cage n erf, and it is very obnoxious to fight someone perma immobilizing you. But magbalde is the perfect warrior.
you can weave funneal health+light attacks per 6k per use even on a heavy armor user with minor protection. and merciless is going to hit as hard as 13k crits on that same heavy armor user.

a proper built magblade is unstoppable.

Is funnel/swallow soul and flame staff la reflected by wings?

pretty much everything from a magblade is reflectable: funnel health, crippling grasp, grim focus bow proc, staff light attacks....

Anrose

Checkmath wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

gannicus1389 wrote: »

Chelo wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

I think the last thing this game need right now is more love to nightblades. Literally every other class in the game is crying for some attention meanwhile nightblades enjoy the top spot in both pvp and pve, in both mag and stam dps.

I don't think a ranged soul harvest is a good idea either, magblades already risk too little to do extremely high damage, so unless this ranged harvest is reflectable,absorbable,blockable and dodgeable, I would say a huge no to it.

And you probably already guess my opinion about undodgeable harvest. It was a bug. you know what that means.

The entire MagBlade Single Target DPS kit is reflectable... A DK can counter and entire build just using Wings (we are talking about 1 skill vs an entire build). If Devs are not going to make Strife (and Morphs) unreflectable, at least give us an Undodgeable or Range Soul Harvest...

I dont give 2 cents about PvE LOL XD

no a DK can't. if you run a non stealth build with shields and high resource pool you will do insane damage and be very tanky with enough heals and sustain.
your "pet" shadow archer eats shimmering shields and wings charges.
an experienced mag blade won't lose to any magdk.

I think magdk is the FOTM now because rune cage n erf, and it is very obnoxious to fight someone perma immobilizing you. But magbalde is the perfect warrior.
you can weave funneal health+light attacks per 6k per use even on a heavy armor user with minor protection. and merciless is going to hit as hard as 13k crits on that same heavy armor user.

a proper built magblade is unstoppable.

Is funnel/swallow soul and flame staff la reflected by wings?

pretty much everything from a magblade is reflectable: funnel health, crippling grasp, grim focus bow proc, staff light attacks....

My strategy for fighting a DK with their wings up is to cloak away and find another fight.

But anyway, I feel that the defile from Death Stoke should be exclusive to Soul Harvest. Making that morph undodgeable (again) would also help.

werzui

lol, do all forgett that soul harvest is more used to gain ultimate like a crazy mad man and spamming destro ults?! thats how i use it

this skill has its use, its mostly a pve skill, if you want to pvp, stick with incap *sigh*


p.s. that does not mean that soul harvest is only good for pve ultspam

Pelican

These are excellent options, will definitely make soul harvest more on par with incap while not making the skill itself overpowered in anyway as you still need the 120 ulti for the additional effect.

Myux

ranged soul harvest would kill my soul. the reason magblade is fun is because its a hybrid of melee vs ranged gameplay. getting rid of a melee skill would just turn magblade into magsorc and my brain would actually die while playing it. also dw/2h magblade is already trash so even more reason for not using it would give me all kinds of depression. im wonderfully ok with giving it a new effect to make FOTM badblades have to learn how to combo better but for the love of god keep it melee.

Pelican wrote: »

These are excellent options, will definitely make soul harvest more on par with incap while not making the skill itself overpowered in anyway as you still need the 120 ulti for the additional effect.

heck you

Chelo

So a year later, now we have class reps, what does people think about this now?