Should collectibles attained by one character be available account wide?

Mureel

This is not about TITLES! Please note this before voting!
I made a poll asking whether final rewards should be dependant on any character on the account contributing to the final achievement should count toward the final reward, and there were almost an equal number of no to yes.

So, if you voted NO, that all achievements for skins/personalities/mementos/collectibles should be done on one character, then what's your opinion on those rewards being available account wide, as they are now?

This means, no more Pinharri, if you did the TG on one char only, no more skins or personalities or mementos or even collectibles from event achievements, not earned on that character.

Surely, if you think that achievements granting rewards should be all done by one character, then it's only fair that the rewards granted be available only to that character.

Again: NOTHING to do with titles!

Mureel

Yes! They should be account wide!

I vote YES because I think that in terms of final rewards for series of achievements, all characters' contributions to that achievement should count. Therefore, the reward should be available account wide, too!

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

Yes! They should be account wide!

I would love account wide achievements, but it will never happen. ZOS has no good reason to do that, when keeping it from us means they can squeeze more in-game time out of everyone. Think of the countless hours grinding and leveling alts, trying to get those achievements, even the repeat ones.

Plus, it wouldn't really logistically make sense. For example, if at level 3, you were a grand overlord, would you start the game with 50 more skill points then someone who starts fresh? If you have the grand skyshard hunter achievement, do you still have to go find those shards?

Tandor

Given an extreme choice between everything in the game being account-wide or character-specific I would opt for character-specific, but given that there are mixed views on this based on different approaches to playing the game I'm happy that ZOS have struck a reasonable balance between those approaches with the way in which some things are account-wide and others are character-specific. I'd therefore stick to the present arrangements, but the more people ask for everything to become account-wide the more I'm inclined to lobby for it all to be character-specific (including, of course, champion points)!

Mureel

Yes! They should be account wide!

Tandor wrote: »

Given an extreme choice between everything in the game being account-wide or character-specific I would opt for character-specific, but given that there are mixed views on this based on different approaches to playing the game I'm happy that ZOS have struck a reasonable balance between those approaches with the way in which some things are account-wide and others are character-specific. I'd therefore stick to the present arrangements, but the more people ask for everything to become account-wide the more I'm inclined to lobby for it all to be character-specific (including, of course, champion points)!

@Tandor
The point is: if you think that character specific contributions toward rewards (not titles!) that are shared account wide, shouldn't count toward those rewards, then neither should the rewards once gained, be account wide.

It should be one way or the other way. At the moment it's both ways, which is unfair to both sides of the equation.

Mureel

Yes! They should be account wide!

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

I would love account wide achievements, but it will never happen. ZOS has no good reason to do that, when keeping it from us means they can squeeze more in-game time out of everyone. Think of the countless hours grinding and leveling alts, trying to get those achievements, even the repeat ones.

Plus, it wouldn't really logistically make sense. For example, if at level 3, you were a grand overlord, would you start the game with 50 more skill points then someone who starts fresh? If you have the grand skyshard hunter achievement, do you still have to go find those shards?

@Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO
It's not about titles. For the 47,000th time. Nor is it about all achievements.

It's about COLLECTIBLES being awarded for completing a series of achievements; currently you can wear a hat or use a personality or skin account wide, even when the achievements were not gained on that character; but the achievements to gain said collectible must be all done on ONE character.

This is about that disparity.

It's got nothing to do with singular achievements, sky shards or other things.

It is to do solely with collectibles awarded after a series of achievements have been completed.

Basically: which way? All characters can contribute toward the award, and the award is account wide, or ONLY one character must gain the entirety of the award achievements, thus the reward is only available on that character.

It is BOTH presently. You must earn the entirety of the reward on one char, but the reward is account wide.

That seems unfair.

One way or the other way, not both ways.

Aliyavana

Yes! They should be account wide!

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Starlock

Yes! They should be account wide!

As someone who focuses on character development and role play, I'm generally not going to be in favor of anything that puts constraints on that. I don't think it's worth the developer's time to program in a mechanism to gray out collectibles in your menu if you are logged onto a character that doesn't have a particular achievement.

Acrolas

The fundamental difference between account-wide collectibles and account-wide achievements is that some people will take an arbitrary achievement point number and try to turn that into a symbol of prestige. Which will turn into arbitrary competition as people grind random achievements not for content or enjoyment but just to meet and exceed that arbitrary number.

If you want to have an informal *** measuring contest, fine. If you want to stand at the urinal in a heroic pose because you're 700 points over the CP cap, fine. We don't need ZOS to officially endorse your ego.

Meanwhile, everything in the collectibles tab is a cosmetic extra. They show you ran some content but not how you ran that content. The more skeptical inferences keep the system in check without taking away that they still look pretty cool.

Mureel wrote: »

One way or the other way, not both ways.

I know it's such a filthy word in today's sociopolitical climate, but the achievement system we have is based on the concept:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/compromise