Some issues with health recovery ?

OrphanHelgen

If it gets reduced by defile, shouldn't it get buffed from healing received and / or mending then?
I really struggle testing this because neither combat metrics, ftc or the original ingame combat text show the incoming health recovery for me, but the little test I did, afaik, it did not get buffed from healing received or mending. Can anyone confirm this or tell me how to proper test this, and should it be buffed in that case?

JXNwarrior

It is classified as a stat recovery so the only way to increase the health recovered is by buffing the recovery stat. It is not classified as a heal so it isn't affected by healing received or done boosts. This is working as intended since it is meant to be a stat recovery rather than a cast heal. The only reason it is debuffed by defile is because it wasn't at one point and high health recovery builds had no counterplay and were essentially immortal. They patched it awhile ago to include it in defile debuffs in order to add counterplay for high health recovery.

OrphanHelgen

JXNwarrior wrote: »

It is classified as a stat recovery so the only way to increase the health recovered is by buffing the recovery stat. It is not classified as a heal so it isn't affected by healing received or done boosts. This is working as intended since it is meant to be a stat recovery rather than a cast heal. The only reason it is debuffed by defile is because it wasn't at one point and high health recovery builds had no counterplay and were essentially immortal. They patched it awhile ago to include it in defile debuffs in order to add counterplay for high health recovery.

Ty for insightful answer. I think something needs to be done with it tho, since it looks like a useless stat atm, unless I missed something here.

JXNwarrior

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

JXNwarrior wrote: »

It is classified as a stat recovery so the only way to increase the health recovered is by buffing the recovery stat. It is not classified as a heal so it isn't affected by healing received or done boosts. This is working as intended since it is meant to be a stat recovery rather than a cast heal. The only reason it is debuffed by defile is because it wasn't at one point and high health recovery builds had no counterplay and were essentially immortal. They patched it awhile ago to include it in defile debuffs in order to add counterplay for high health recovery.

Ty for insightful answer. I think something needs to be done with it tho, since it looks like a useless stat atm, unless I missed something here.

Without building for it, yes it is essentially useless. But building for it (ex. with Troll King) adds a huge amount of survivability to a build. Troll King builds average around 3k health recovery when proc'd. This means that you are recovering 3k health every 2 seconds or essentially a HoT ticking at 1.5k health/sec. It works best with heavy armor builds, builds without burst heals (ex. Forward Momentum instead of Rally) and classes/races with Health Recovery bonuses (Orc, Nord, Khajiit, Nightblade, Sorceror). A good health recovery build can be near impossible to kill without defile, so it is in a rather good/balanced spot imo.

TheYKcid

Have to consider that health regen benefits from a TON of modifiers which healing does not:

-Orc/Khajiit/Nord unflinching passive (20%)
-Heavy armour Constitution passive (4-28%)
-NB Refreshing Shadows passive (15%)
-Major Fortitude, from any potion that restores health (20%)

...among others, which makes it possible to stack a health regen multiplier far higher that what can be accomplished for healing.

Health regen builds are incredibly effective when built right. Fight any heavy armor + Trollking user and you'll see how.

OrphanHelgen

TheYKcid wrote: »

Have to consider that health regen benefits from a TON of modifiers which healing does not:

-Orc/Khajiit/Nord unflinching passive (20%)
-Heavy armour Constitution passive (4-28%)
-NB Refreshing Shadows passive (15%)
-Major Fortitude, from any potion that restores health (20%)

...among others, which makes it possible to stack a health regen multiplier far higher that what can be accomplished for healing.

Health regen builds are incredibly effective when built right. Fight any heavy armor + Trollking user and you'll see how.

ty both, I will give it a try tonight

Guppet

You want bee keeper and ognums scales, with troll king. With the steed mundus and health regen food, you can get 4K base and up to 9k when under 60% health.

Nothing will kill you, but you won’t kill anything either.

Sordidfairytale

I'm currently at 5188 pre Troll King and Orgnum. When they kick in, it's 10477. But I'll have to check again when I get home. I swear it was higher than that. But Guppet is correct, the only thing I kill is time.

Ragnarock41

They nerfed hp regen because of the Troll King QQ.. Really makes you lol when you think about it, though I also remember the times when HP regen tanks could tank and survive against whole zergs so I'm okay with a weak hp regen system than a strong one.

OrphanHelgen

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

They nerfed hp regen because of the Troll King QQ.. Really makes you lol when you think about it, though I also remember the times when HP regen tanks could tank and survive against whole zergs so I'm okay with a weak hp regen system than a strong one.

Says more about the zerg than the hp regen tank actually XD.

Xvorg

JXNwarrior wrote: »

It is classified as a stat recovery so the only way to increase the health recovered is by buffing the recovery stat. It is not classified as a heal so it isn't affected by healing received or done boosts. This is working as intended since it is meant to be a stat recovery rather than a cast heal. The only reason it is debuffed by defile is because it wasn't at one point and high health recovery builds had no counterplay and were essentially immortal. They patched it awhile ago to include it in defile debuffs in order to add counterplay for high health recovery.

Health recovery builds were an option for DKs... now they are just ***

Ragnarock41

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

They nerfed hp regen because of the Troll King QQ.. Really makes you lol when you think about it, though I also remember the times when HP regen tanks could tank and survive against whole zergs so I'm okay with a weak hp regen system than a strong one.

Says more about the zerg than the hp regen tank actually XD.

Well, Dk is probably the biggest victim of the zergs QQ'ing, but zenimax will always cater to their glassy egos. Sloads being introduced as a ''tank counter'', like if we're still in one tamriel, goes to show their point of view(or lack of it) clear as day.

Anyways, there is a reason most stamsorcs use troll king , but DKs actually mostly go for blood spawn instead. Though if this bleed and oblivion damage meta keeps going, I'm pretty sure literally everyone and their mums will be running Troll king cause resistance means nothing these days.