Account wide Undaunted?

PureEnvelope35

So after doing this grind for the 9th time, I started to wonder if we could ever get an option to have the skill line account wide given that it has passives (and skills) that are extremely beneficial to any class and any build. The main reason this would be useful is, the grind is in no way fun to do and isn't really difficult to level, just annoying after the third time, never mind the 9th time. Basically why I am making this post is to hopefully have a change so that other people don't have to suffer through this skill line way too many times.
Edit Most people seem to agree that it should be earned, so I feel like the old system to gain alliance war skills should be added back, where it took time and investment to gain skills like vigor caltrops and warhorn, just to give people more reason to go to PvP, given that undaunted is the main reason a lot of people do PvE.

GimpyPorcupine

Yes, it's annoying. No, it shouldn't be account-wide.

I've done the grind on 3. I'll probably do more.

Tandor

No, if it's worthwhile for a character to have the skill line then it should be earned, if it isn't necessary then don't do it.

problematic_fave

you have to work hard for undaunted, it’s not easy to max it. if you want it you should put the effort in

ATomiX96

No thx, no more skips and "timesavers". If you want to minmax your character, you should actually have to play the game.
Recently ive seen too many outcries on the forums that people want everything handed to them for free.
If you want your character to be minmaxed since the second you spawn in, go play fortnite please and save yourself the pain of character development and progress.
Its not a huge grind like and its not time-gated like in other games. Be glad with the system you have in this game.
And at worst your character is gonna miss 6% max stats (assuming you run 3 different weights of armor) which is not the end of the world.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Yet another request to turn a MMO into an i_want_it_all_now.

Why do you play ESO if you don't enjoying evolving with each and every of your characters anyway?

ATomiX96

EDIT: I saw OP crying about 9 characters with max undaunted, I've got 15 and I agree its definitly repetetive, but so are all the other aspects of the game at some point.

problematic_fave

i think you should get your Alliance war skill line maxed when you complete the first quest in cyrodiil

SquareSausage

I have max undaunted on 13 characters and my 14th character is level 7. My 2 bank chars are level 2 lol.

I run them as either tanks or healers for quick dungeons queues. Takes about 10 days if you only do the daily pledges on vet HM.

PureEnvelope35

ATomiX96 wrote: »

EDIT: I saw OP crying about 9 characters with max undaunted, I've got 15 and I agree its definitly repetetive, but so are all the other aspects of the game at some point.

Hah "OP Crying"
omegalul

PureEnvelope35

SquareSausage wrote: »

I run them as either tanks or healers for quick dungeons queues. Takes about 10 days if you only do the daily pledges on vet HM.

An actual constructive comment, my God, there is still hope on the forums!

Ectheliontnacil

Yes!!! Please add this feature. What's the point in forcing players to do hours upon hours of completely outdated content on every new character, before you are able to play at a competitive level?

Now mind you this is after levelling to 50 and after getting Psijic, mages and fighters guild maxed (which should be abolished as well).

If you want to test out a new class, you've got a grueling week of grinding ahead of you. Just to see what the class feels like at a half way competitive level.

The entire guild skill line system needs to be reworked imo.

Odnoc

Yes it's annoying, no it shouldn't be combined, no skill trees should. Any content will get repetitive after doing it so many times, that doesn't mean everything should be account wide. As much as I'd love to have a character for each occasion I don't, because I don't find repeating content that much fun, so I recommend this, don't want to grind it 9 times, don't.

JaZ2091

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Yes!!! Please add this feature. What's the point in forcing players to do hours upon hours of completely outdated content on every new character, before you are able to play at a competitive level?

Now mind you this is after levelling to 50 and after getting Psijic, mages and fighters guild maxed (which should be abolished as well).

If you want to test out a new class, you've got a grueling week of grinding ahead of you. Just to see what the class feels like at a half way competitive level.

The entire guild skill line system needs to be reworked imo.

Feeling bored? Overwhelmed? Things going too slow? Well look no further! INTRODUCING THE NEW GUILD TOKEN! Accelerate your progress instantly to save time! Max out those pesky Guild Skill Lines for only 5k crowns each!

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

PVP people complaining about leveling up Undaunted... the real pain is getting Vigor, Guard and Caltrops on a PvE char.

ManDraKE

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

PVP people complaining about leveling up Undaunted... the real pain is getting Vigor, Guard and Caltrops on a PvE char.

you can get those skills in a couple of hours even if you suck at PvP, just type "KUSH4" on chat and join the 9999999 man zerg, undaunted takes A LOT more time of farming.

rfennell_ESO

If you don't really like doing dungeons undaunted is a chore and a half..

It doesn't really seem to fit with their vision to allow account wide achievements,, skill points and a handful of other things though.

GimpyPorcupine

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

PVP people complaining about leveling up Undaunted... the real pain is getting Vigor, Guard and Caltrops on a PvE char.

Get a delve bonus and repair walls after the keep levels up.

AlnilamE

No. Undaunted is fine. If you really feel that this will make or bread each one of your builds, then you can go grind it, just like PvErs who feel they need Caltrops/Vigor/Purge?Barrier go to PvP.

And while you think that it's "super easy" to get the PvP skills, a PvEr doesn't feel that way. The same way as a dungeon rat feels like getting the Undaunted skill line leveled is easy and you feel it isn't. So it balances out.

And as I said to the person I'm quoting below, if you don't feel like doing this nine times, then stick to one character of each class. You can change race via the crown store, you can change your skills at will and you only have to level each skill line 5 times. That should be far less tedious.

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Yes!!! Please add this feature. What's the point in forcing players to do hours upon hours of completely outdated content on every new character, before you are able to play at a competitive level?

Now mind you this is after levelling to 50 and after getting Psijic, mages and fighters guild maxed (which should be abolished as well).

If you want to test out a new class, you've got a grueling week of grinding ahead of you. Just to see what the class feels like at a half way competitive level.

The entire guild skill line system needs to be reworked imo.

...or you could stick to one character of each class and things would be much easier.

Alex_Lex

PureEnvelope35 wrote: »

So after doing this grind for the 9th time

9th?
25 times done already with 5 more 2-3 weeks to complete)

The_Brosteen

To the people who dont think its super easy to get vigor and caltrops, equip a resto staff and follow a zerg. Yes on your stam dps character. You can get caltrops in an afternoon spamming healing springs.
You cant get undaunted passives doing this in an afternoon unless you have a dedicated group. Pugging your way to undaunted 9 is a slow and grindy experience. Caltrops is not.

So clearly, something probably should change. I suggest reverting the ap necessary to get back to what it used to be when it did take a long time to grind out

Malacthulhu

And then they wanted account wide alliance war skills and everyone lived happily ever after in the beautiful land of nirn.

Danksta

PureEnvelope35 wrote: »

So after doing this grind for the 9th time, I started to wonder if we could ever get an option to have the skill line account wide given that it has passives (and skills) that are extremely beneficial to any class and any build. The main reason this would be useful is, the grind is in no way fun to do and isn't really difficult to level, just annoying after the third time, never mind the 9th time. Basically why I am making this post is to hopefully have a change so that other people don't have to suffer through this skill line way too many times.
Edit Most people seem to agree that it should be earned, so I feel like the old system to gain alliance war skills should be added back, where it took time and investment to gain skills like vigor caltrops and warhorn, just to give people more reason to go to PvP, given that undaunted is the main reason a lot of people do PvE.

If you want to revert the changes to AP earned to level Alliance War skill lines then maybe they should do the same for Undaunted too?

Danksta

The_Brosteen wrote: »

To the people who dont think its super easy to get vigor and caltrops, equip a resto staff and follow a zerg. Yes on your stam dps character. You can get caltrops in an afternoon spamming healing springs.
You cant get undaunted passives doing this in an afternoon unless you have a dedicated group. Pugging your way to undaunted 9 is a slow and grindy experience. Caltrops is not.

So clearly, something probably should change. I suggest reverting the ap necessary to get back to what it used to be when it did take a long time to grind out

Why bother with a resto staff? You can knock it out in an afternoon solo just playing regularly, even if you suck at PvP.

PlagueSD

Yes, I want to log into a new character and instantly be level 50 (max CP) with ALL skills unlocked and at level 50 with max skill points. I should be able to buy any armor/weapons I want from a vendor so I don't have to farm. I no longer want to "play" the game.

/sarcasm


Actually, you can already do this...It's called PTS. That's where you should go to "try out" new builds.

AlnilamE

The_Brosteen wrote: »

To the people who dont think its super easy to get vigor and caltrops, equip a resto staff and follow a zerg. Yes on your stam dps character. You can get caltrops in an afternoon spamming healing springs.
You cant get undaunted passives doing this in an afternoon unless you have a dedicated group. Pugging your way to undaunted 9 is a slow and grindy experience. Caltrops is not.

So clearly, something probably should change. I suggest reverting the ap necessary to get back to what it used to be when it did take a long time to grind out

Meh. If you want to, then sure. Bring it back to where it was. Also put Vigor back to whatever the level it was originally (6, I think?). It doesn't matter.

As for Undaunted, Equip a resto staff, grab the pledges, queue for random dungeons until you start getting repeats, then start queueing for the ones you are missing. Or just do it in short bursts by doing the pledges each day. That way you'll get the Undaunted fame for the pledge and for completing the dungeon.