Defensive rune change wasn't neccesary (our defence against nbs)

jaws343

Didaco wrote: »

Guys I don't want so sound like the troll of the situation, but it's not like everyone is going to roll cancel their skills.

A ganker would still have to roll cancel it's opener if they don't want to get caught in the stun, effectively delaying the gank time and giving you the necessary time to recover.
The change will skew good players from bad ones, imo.

Or they just preemptively cast shuffle.

Dalsinthus

jaws343 wrote: »

Didaco wrote: »

Guys I don't want so sound like the troll of the situation, but it's not like everyone is going to roll cancel their skills.

A ganker would still have to roll cancel it's opener if they don't want to get caught in the stun, effectively delaying the gank time and giving you the necessary time to recover.
The change will skew good players from bad ones, imo.

Or they just preemptively cast shuffle.

Which won't do anything 85% of the time.

Feanor

At this point you just gotta love players on other classes telling you the nerfs aren’t so bad. Maybe they are actually buffs, who knows. At least if you play another class.

I don’t care for RC. Never did. What I care for is that the class is in a worse state than in CWC concerning class skills now. We took the nerfs, but got nothing instead (and yes, I feel for all the magWardens).

Ankael07

@ZOS_Wrobel Can you explain the reasoning behind this yet another unnecessary change?

Hixtory

lol I feel guilty about this, this is what happens when you ask ZOS to fix a skill that is broken (rune cage). They nerf the whole skill and it's morphs...

CLASSIC

LtBottle

So, we talk here about defense against NB gank attack...? Is the sorcerer toolkit THAT LARGE you only have to worry about the next nb who will attack you in stealth? (only if he has used shuffle before and is in 15% chance proc of it....)

Sounds a little crazy.

DuskMarine

Aliyavana wrote: »

It's meant to give breathing room against ganks and bursts and it already has a drawback in that it can be used on a player it wasn't intended to be used on or even a npc. By making it dodgable it wont be effective against the players it is intended for, gankers, who run shuffle. Zos please consider not nerfing defensive rune when rune cage is the in demand version and is more problematic. Defensive rune won't even be worth slotting when rune cage you actually can choose your target.

i think the change to this is much needed in zos standards cause automatic play=not fair at all. so making it dodgeable is fairly nice. but you also gotta look at whos gonna be able to tell its actually coming at them

Drako_Ei

If you are going to change it back to normal, make it so DK's spiked armor damage return doesnt proc defensive rune cage

Priyasekarssk

Aliyavana wrote: »

It's meant to give breathing room against ganks and bursts and it already has a drawback in that it can be used on a player it wasn't intended to be used on or even a npc. By making it dodgable it wont be effective against the players it is intended for, gankers, who run shuffle. Zos please consider not nerfing defensive rune when rune cage is the in demand version and is more problematic. Defensive rune won't even be worth slotting when rune cage you actually can choose your target.

I already mentioned in forums to abandon magic sorc as early as possible at any cost . You are wasting your time on garbage class. I have also stated clearly reasons for it. If people think still otherway , its their fault.

DuskMarine

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

It's meant to give breathing room against ganks and bursts and it already has a drawback in that it can be used on a player it wasn't intended to be used on or even a npc. By making it dodgable it wont be effective against the players it is intended for, gankers, who run shuffle. Zos please consider not nerfing defensive rune when rune cage is the in demand version and is more problematic. Defensive rune won't even be worth slotting when rune cage you actually can choose your target.

I already mentioned in forums to abandon magic sorc as early as possible at any cost . You are wasting your time on garbage class. I have also stated clearly reasons for it. If people think still otherway , its their fault.

magicka sorcs arent a garbage class their one of the top 3 being number one in line O.o

Feanor

DuskMarine wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

It's meant to give breathing room against ganks and bursts and it already has a drawback in that it can be used on a player it wasn't intended to be used on or even a npc. By making it dodgable it wont be effective against the players it is intended for, gankers, who run shuffle. Zos please consider not nerfing defensive rune when rune cage is the in demand version and is more problematic. Defensive rune won't even be worth slotting when rune cage you actually can choose your target.

I already mentioned in forums to abandon magic sorc as early as possible at any cost . You are wasting your time on garbage class. I have also stated clearly reasons for it. If people think still otherway , its their fault.

magicka sorcs arent a garbage class their one of the top 3 being number one in line O.o

They are the most boring and one dimensional class at least for sure. Strength means the player behind it, not the class.

Jhalin

magSorcs are still stronger in PvP than any other mag spec except NBs, and even then they have better defensive tools and more group utility.

Stop crying about your “poor useless class” while magDens still exist in their current state.

DuskMarine

Jhalin wrote: »

magSorcs are still stronger in PvP than any other mag spec except NBs, and even then they have better defensive tools and more group utility.

Stop crying about your “poor useless class” while magDens still exist in their current state.

oh god magwardens need buffed so bad. their horrid

zParallaxz

Feanor wrote: »

Didaco wrote: »

Guys I don't want so sound like the troll of the situation, but it's not like everyone is going to roll cancel their skills.

A ganker would still have to roll cancel it's opener if they don't want to get caught in the stun, effectively delaying the gank time and giving you the necessary time to recover.
The change will skew good players from bad ones, imo.

It just doesn’t make any sense. The Sorc is sacrificing a bar slot for a defensive option that has its only purpose to avoid getting ganged up. And now that only purpose is made conditional?

Overload bar? Lol

Chilly-McFreeze

Jhalin wrote: »

magSorcs are still stronger in PvP than any other mag spec except NBs, and even then they have better defensive tools and more group utility.

Stop crying about your “poor useless class” while magDens still exist in their current state.

I wouldn't say cloak + shades + loads of class hots + light armor shield + resto ward is worse than class shield + la shield + resto ward + streak + rng heals. But okay.

And yes, never forget about the group utility of an AoE Root, 5% spell crit and negate. There I have to agree.

Feanor

zParallaxz wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Didaco wrote: »

Guys I don't want so sound like the troll of the situation, but it's not like everyone is going to roll cancel their skills.

A ganker would still have to roll cancel it's opener if they don't want to get caught in the stun, effectively delaying the gank time and giving you the necessary time to recover.
The change will skew good players from bad ones, imo.

It just doesn’t make any sense. The Sorc is sacrificing a bar slot for a defensive option that has its only purpose to avoid getting ganged up. And now that only purpose is made conditional?

Overload bar? Lol

You missed the point completely, but that’s ok. The point about the bar slot was that I can slot something useful instead if DR loses its purpose.

DuskMarine

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

magSorcs are still stronger in PvP than any other mag spec except NBs, and even then they have better defensive tools and more group utility.

Stop crying about your “poor useless class” while magDens still exist in their current state.

I wouldn't say cloak + shades + loads of class hots + light armor shield + resto ward is worse than class shield + la shield + resto ward + streak + rng heals. But okay.

And yes, never forget about the group utility of an AoE Root, 5% spell crit and negate. There I have to agree.

the thing is a mag sorcs survivability with burst and tankiness far exceeds a nb whos just a glass cannon with lots of heals. so utility vs one trick pony cause nightblades really arent tanky unless their in heavy armor you can eat them otherwise but their damage is mental.

ak_pvp

Its a pointless nerf but not a massively impactful one. Its not often someone rolls the second they hit you, and since it can be proc'd by dots too I think they wanted to stop it being used as a way to pin someone who isn't actively damaging you and trying to escape.

Which I disagree with, because break free.

TheValar85

Feanor wrote: »

Didaco wrote: »

Guys I don't want so sound like the troll of the situation, but it's not like everyone is going to roll cancel their skills.

A ganker would still have to roll cancel it's opener if they don't want to get caught in the stun, effectively delaying the gank time and giving you the necessary time to recover.
The change will skew good players from bad ones, imo.

It just doesn’t make any sense. The Sorc is sacrificing a bar slot for a defensive option that has its only purpose to avoid getting ganged up. And now that only purpose is made conditional?

yeah do you see how stupid is that?

Aliyavana

Lol

KingJ

I agreed they shouldn't have changed it.

Koensol

Defensive rune is among the most annoying abilities in the game, but it was balanced. I mean the sorc can't cast it on someone else. The rune cage nerf should be just rune cage. Defensive rune was fine. This game needs more abilities like defensive rune, that are strong at what they are designed for, but have certain drawbacks. That is what creates build diversity.

DuskMarine

TheValar85 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Didaco wrote: »

Guys I don't want so sound like the troll of the situation, but it's not like everyone is going to roll cancel their skills.

A ganker would still have to roll cancel it's opener if they don't want to get caught in the stun, effectively delaying the gank time and giving you the necessary time to recover.
The change will skew good players from bad ones, imo.

It just doesn’t make any sense. The Sorc is sacrificing a bar slot for a defensive option that has its only purpose to avoid getting ganged up. And now that only purpose is made conditional?

yeah do you see how stupid is that?

the reason i can see why they made it that way is automatic ability proc is really unfair if you cant defend yourself regularly you need to get skill. some of us deal with gankers the right way every day with no abilities to auto proc and save our skins last second. welcome back to the balance pool boys.

Chilly-McFreeze

Hurr durr, defensive rune OP!!!11!

Logical consequence of this shall be a nerf to Spiked Armor since it's also an automatic ability proc after all, right?

Qbiken

Only really annoying feature with defensive rune was that it procs on any damage taken. Would´ve been a little more balanced if it only procced from direct damage abilities. All classes uses some kind of skill that contain a direct damage component, and light-/heavy attacks are also common in PvP.

SilverWF

This is your punishment for Rune Cage mess.
Deal with it.

Feanor

SilverWF wrote: »

This is your punishment for Rune Cage mess.
Deal with it.

Except the vast majority of Sorcs never wanted that skill in that version and said so before Summerset.

Chilly-McFreeze

SilverWF wrote: »

This is your punishment for Rune Cage mess.
Deal with it.

If Punishment is your idea of balance, I'm really happy none of us has a say in that matter.

Feanor

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

This is your punishment for Rune Cage mess.
Deal with it.

If Punishment is your idea of balance, I'm really happy none of us has a say in that matter.

Just ignore it. It’s a player who is thinking Sorc is OP because of Emp buffs too.

SilverWF

Feanor wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

This is your punishment for Rune Cage mess.
Deal with it.

Except the vast majority of Sorcs never wanted that skill in that version and said so before Summerset.

That vast majority, that didn't provides any problems?
Because, when you met with Rune Cage Sorc it always ends with Death Recap screen, if your spec has no shields.
At mag NB my only save is Cloak and even it doesn't always helps
And mag NB has no possibilities to deal huge ton of damage in one timestamp, that Sorcs easily can do with Rune Cage, Haunting Curse and mage Wrath