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Jayman1000

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Nestor

Prices dont change that fast

neverwalk

i see nothing wrong with that.

Jayman1000

Nestor wrote: »

Prices dont change that fast

what does this mean? It makes no sense. If someone posts an item for 25% lower price than the past 3-day average that item will usually be bought very quickly, especially if the item is an often traded item with a stable average price.

Can you elaborate what it is you mean to say with "prices dont change that fast"?

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redspecter23

That depends on how ZOS defines "playing". If simply being logged in is playing, even if you're just standing still, then the answer is no. Personally, I wouldn't risk it.

However, if that second account isn't yours, but perhaps that of one of your wife/husband/girlfriend/etc. that is at your house and he/she is playing the game on the other side of the room, but happens to be afk while you're playing your dungeon and then checks the guild store moments after you finish your dungeon, that would be fine.

The question then becomes, how does ZOS tell the difference between the two scenarios?

Sparr0w

Would be nice to queue for dungeon/bg etc. on one account while actively play on another. Personally don't want to risk it tho, might be best to raise a support ticket if you want an answer.

Merlin13KAGL

Why don't you just log in to account #2 after your dungeon, leaving account number one at the character select screen.

Not like it takes that long to login, and not like you need to be online the entire duration to snipe a sale.

It's also a little too convenient of a question after a similar thread with other intent has been asked and answered.

Zero reason to be logged into multiple accounts at a time, simply to have one on standby.

Jayman1000

redspecter23 wrote: »

That depends on how ZOS defines "playing". If simply being logged in is playing, even if you're just standing still, then the answer is no. Personally, I wouldn't risk it.

However, if that second account isn't yours, but perhaps that of one of your wife/husband/girlfriend/etc. that is at your house and he/she is playing the game on the other side of the room, but happens to be afk while you're playing your dungeon and then checks the guild store moments after you finish your dungeon, that would be fine.

The question then becomes, how does ZOS tell the difference between the two scenarios?

ironically they would perhaps be able to make the distinction if they could see that I never played them simultaenously. If they can see that there always only is activity on #1 when #2 is inactive then clearly I am the one controlling them one at a time. If it were my wife, kid, friend, then clearly they would sometimes at least have activity at the same time. (thus they could ban me for being logged in on two accounts at the same time based on the fact that I wasnt multiboxing).

Dacalana

I don't see anything wrongin that. You don't have 10 bots running after you, so it's ok, many ppl have multiple accounts for crafting, etc.

Nestor

I dont know why people twist themselves into nots trying circumvent the TOS. This is the second time this week someone wants to multibox and is posting about to in a vain attempt to get the approval of the community. Like that carries any weight.

TOS says you cant logged into two accounts at the same time on the same machine. Period.

Besides, how long does it really take to wander up to the bank in Wayrest to do some shopping after you leave the dungeon? Cuz if use the group finder, your ported back to where you were just before the GF grabbed you. So, you could stand in front of the banker, queue the Group Finder, do the dungeon, then be put right back in front of the banker. No need to be logged into two accounts. No need to break the TOS and risk your accounts.

Jayman1000

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Why don't you just log in to account #2 after your dungeon, leaving account number one at the character select screen.

Not like it takes that long to login, and not like you need to be online the entire duration to snipe a sale.

It's also a little too convenient of a question after a similar thread with other intent has been asked and answered.

Zero reason to be logged into multiple accounts at a time, simply to have one on standby.

Because logging is annoying. I have to type my password, wait for the character screen to appear, then click on play, then wait for the game to load + addons to update (especially mm that on every login has to spend some cpu to prepare). This all takes several minutes, multiply this some factor if the pc is slow. When you are logged in the idle kick timer is like 20 minutes, which is a nice long time. If the idle kick timer were 5 minutes or so then my scenario probably wouldnt be feasible.


"That other thread" was not the same question as I am posing here. Also in "that other thread" my question was not answered. (the question being is it allowed to be logged in to two accounts at the same time as long as you don't play on them SIMULTANEOUSLY.)

Epona222

This question was already answered in another thread that was locked by a Zeni employee about an hour ago.

Stop trying to push the point.

Jayman1000

Nestor wrote: »

I dont know why people twist themselves into nots trying circumvent the TOS. This is the second time this week someone wants to multibox and is posting about to in a vain attempt to get the approval of the community. Like that carries any weight.

TOS says you cant logged into two accounts at the same time on the same machine. Period.

Besides, how long does it really take to wander up to the bank in Wayrest to do some shopping after you leave the dungeon? Cuz if use the group finder, your ported back to where you were just before the GF grabbed you. So, you could stand in front of the banker, queue the Group Finder, do the dungeon, then be put right back in front of the banker. No need to be logged into two accounts. No need to break the TOS and risk your accounts.

Not the same same machine, I never said anything about that. I didnt even know that was possible? The performance degradation alone would probably stop me from wanting to do that.

Dacalana

I think you can so it somehow or it would be impossible to have bots.

Jayman1000

Epona222 wrote: »

This question was already answered in another thread that was locked by a Zeni employee about an hour ago.

Stop trying to push the point.

no it wasn't. that "another thread" was a different subject. But even so my question in this thread was not answered in that "another thread".

Hokiewa

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Why don't you just log in to account #2 after your dungeon, leaving account number one at the character select screen.

Not like it takes that long to login, and not like you need to be online the entire duration to snipe a sale.

It's also a little too convenient of a question after a similar thread with other intent has been asked and answered.

Zero reason to be logged into multiple accounts at a time, simply to have one on standby.

Because logging is annoying. I have to type my password, wait for the character screen to appear, then click on play, then wait for the game to load + addons to update (especially mm that on every login has to spend some cpu to prepare). This all takes several minutes, multiply this some factor if the pc is slow. When you are logged in the idle kick timer is like 20 minutes, which is a nice long time. If the idle kick timer were 5 minutes or so then my scenario probably wouldnt be feasible.


"That other thread" was not the same question as I am posing here. Also in "that other thread" my question was not answered. (the question being is it allowed to be logged in to two accounts at the same time as long as you don't play on them SIMULTANEOUSLY.)

Actually simultaneously doesn't matter. The other thread's OP was banned for essentially the same thing. Multiple accounts logged in, one actively fighting, the other(s) idle until it came time to loot. There is no functional difference btw that scenario and yours, the mechanic is the same. You are alt-tabbing from one account to the other. I'm sure you'll disagree but you will not get ZOS to confirm a distinction btw the two activities.

Jayman1000

Hokiewa wrote: »

Actually simultaneously doesn't matter. The other thread's OP was banned for essentially the same thing. Multiple accounts logged in, one actively fighting, the other(s) idle until it came time to loot. There is no functional difference btw that scenario and yours, the mechanic is the same. You are alt-tabbing from one account to the other. I'm sure you'll disagree but you will not get ZOS to confirm a distinction btw the two activities.

Simulatenous is what the TOS says. Are you saying what is written in the TOS does not matter? Please elaborate on this point because it doesn't make sense to me. Also why are you talking about figthing and looting? That is not the subject of this thread.

Im not alt-tabbing between anything. You must be assuming I am running two times ESO on the same machine (the same as a previous commenter assumed). But, as I told him, I wasnt aware that you could, but even so the performance degradation would probably make it undesirable in any case.

Nestor

Have you read the TOS? It clearly states that what you want to do is not allowed. I misstyped on the same machine above, because i am trying to save your account while i am distracted at work.

It is clear you only want to hear one answer, so why do you even ask. Go ahead and risk your account, I dont care anymore.

Because, you have stated publically your intention to break the TOS its pretty easy for ZOS to figure out what you are doing, which is multiboxing to gain advantage.

Epona222

I thought it was made quite clear that it wasn't allowed. So sorry if I have interpreted the ToS and Zeni staff posts too tightly. Clearly you should be allowed to do whatever the heck you like, because the situation you are asking about is 1mm different from a previous question that got the NO answer from Zeni.

Jayman1000

Dacalana wrote: »

I think you can so it somehow or it would be impossible to have bots.

yeah that makes sense but this discussion is not about botting which is obviously prohibited! My question is really if it is prohibited to be logged in on two accounts at the same time, as long as you are not playing both at the same time.

If it is indeed prohibited to be logged in to two accounts at the same time, why the frak does ZOS then not just confirm this? Why cant they just say "yes, being logged in to two accounts at the same time is prohibited, multiboxing or not: you may not be logged in to two accounts at the same time".

But no, they are not saying that, and the TOS does not say it either.

Jayman1000

Epona222 wrote: »

I thought it was made quite clear that it wasn't allowed. So sorry if I have interpreted the ToS and Zeni staff posts too tightly. Clearly you should be allowed to do whatever the heck you like, because the situation you are asking about is 1mm different from a previous question that got the NO answer from Zeni.

There's no need to accuse me of wanting to be allowed to do whatever the heck I like; I think that accussation is a bit rude actually. Can't we keep this civil? Im being nice to you, you should be nice to me.

Can you point me to the TOS with the quote or from a ZOS post with a quote where it is stated that being logged in on two accounts is prohibited? I'd really like to see it.

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Jayman1000

Nestor wrote: »

Have you read the TOS? It clearly states that what you want to do is not allowed. I misstyped on the same machine above, because i am trying to save your account while i am distracted at work.

It is clear you only want to hear one answer, so why do you even ask. Go ahead and risk your account, I dont care anymore.

Because, you have stated publically your intention to break the TOS its pretty easy for ZOS to figure out what you are doing, which is multiboxing to gain advantage.

Actually yes I have read the TOS. I did not find anywhere that it says I am prohibited from being logged in to two accounts at the same time. If it indeed says that, then I will be happy to get it acknowledged. So is it true? does the TOS mention that being logged in to two accounts at the same time is prohibited?

Im interested in this for two reason:

1: I simply find the debate interesting in and of itself, it's an interesting subject because the TOS and ZOS answers are evading directly answering (call me weird I dont care, but I find that interesting).

2: the scenario I mentioned in the OP would be something I 'd like to do on my kids computer. But of course I wont do it if it is prohibited.

Epona222

Here's an idea, send a PM to one of the staff and ask them - that way it sounds more like an honest question.

Making another thread about this today within an hour of one thread about a similar issue being closed, makes it seem like a campaign.

Jayman1000

Epona222 wrote: »

Here's an idea, send a PM to one of the staff and ask them - that way it sounds more like an honest question.

Making another thread about this today within an hour of one thread about a similar issue being closed, makes it seem like a campaign.

It doesn't sound like an honest question when asked on the forums for all to see? Can you elaborate how asking the question openly is less honest?

Im not the same poster as that "other thread"s OP. Further that "other thread" was not the same subject as mine. It may be in the same genre, but that doesn't make it the same. Additionally the answers in that other thread did not answer the question I have posed in this thread.

Salvas_Aren

I think this question has to be answered yet. Since Zeni encourages ppl to buy more than one account, they could hand them some basic howtos about rightful multi-accounting.

Jayman1000

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

I think this question has to be answered yet. Since Zeni encourages ppl to buy more than one account, they could hand them some basic howtos about rightful multi-accounting.

I totally agree. I find it peculiar when a clear answer is not given. I mean obviously it would be easy to clarify, or to state in the TOS that "logging into more than one account at a time is prohibited".

Thanks for your input.

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Epona222

This is the salient point from the official Zeni post:

To be clear, players are welcome to have multiple accounts. However, using hardware or software to play them all at the same time is not allowed on any ESO service.

To me, using hardware (a computer or computer components) or software (anything from windows to the ESO client to your own written software) to play them all at the same time means being logged in to more than one account at the same time - it really is that simple to me - I am sorry that some of you are having a hard time with that and trying to make that wording fit what you would prefer it to mean. The wording is unspecific, which probably means there are no specific situations they could think of where it would be ok - they have a lot of legal situations covered.

But it seems very clear to me that if you are logged on you are playing the game, since being logged on is really the only way Zeni can measure it - they can't tell whether you are having *fun*, which would be more clearly definable as "playing".

Just don't do it?

What is it that you think you need to be logged in on 2 accounts at the same time in order to do?

Jayman1000

Epona222 wrote: »

This is the salient point from the official Zeni post:

To be clear, players are welcome to have multiple accounts. However, using hardware or software to play them all at the same time is not allowed on any ESO service.

To me, using hardware (a computer or computer components) or software (anything from windows to the ESO client to your own written software) to play then all at the same time means being logged in to more than one account at the same time - it really is that simple to me - I am sorry that some of you are having a hard time with that and trying to make that wording fit what you would prefer it to mean.

But it seems very clear to me that if you are logged on you are playing the game, since being logged on is really the only way Zeni can measure it - they can't tell whether you are having *fun*, which would be more clearly definable as "playing".

Just don't do it?

What is it that you think you need to be logged in on 2 accounts at the same time in order to do?

I understand that you equal "logged in" with "playing" ( I don't consider these words to have the same meaning ). But if that is the case why not prohibit being logged in at the same time? Why does the TOS choose the word "playing" and not the words "logged in"? What is written in the TOS is no coincidence I can almost assure you as much.

Merlin13KAGL

If you consider that you're playing the game on both characters at the same time, then you're in violation. (They fact that you have to hit the "Play" button can be loosely interpreted as an indicator in that direction.) One player, one account at a time.

If you are arguing that you're not playing both, then that means the other is sitting idle. In that case, I'd say this applies:

You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.

It's utilizing resources from and generating traffic to and from the server, however minute it may be. Indeed, that's one of the very reasons there is a login timeout in the first place. It's only half to protect your account. The other half is to free up resources that don't need to be active 24/7.

In either case, the answer is still the same.

Dacalana

Password can be copy pasted, so logging in is fast enough.
And you need it all just to buy something cheap (and resell?), not the best reason for doing something that is not allowed.

Epona222

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

This is the salient point from the official Zeni post:

To be clear, players are welcome to have multiple accounts. However, using hardware or software to play them all at the same time is not allowed on any ESO service.

To me, using hardware (a computer or computer components) or software (anything from windows to the ESO client to your own written software) to play then all at the same time means being logged in to more than one account at the same time - it really is that simple to me - I am sorry that some of you are having a hard time with that and trying to make that wording fit what you would prefer it to mean.

But it seems very clear to me that if you are logged on you are playing the game, since being logged on is really the only way Zeni can measure it - they can't tell whether you are having *fun*, which would be more clearly definable as "playing".

Just don't do it?

What is it that you think you need to be logged in on 2 accounts at the same time in order to do?

I understand that you equal "logged in" with "playing". But if that is the case why not prohibit being logged in at the same time? Why does the TOS choose the word "playing" and not the words "logged in"? What is written in the TOS is no coincidence I can almost assure you as much.

How about we have a test case on that wording then - you log in on 2 accounts at the same time, we all report you, then you can sort it out in court and cost all of us a fortune.

Or you could just not try to find ways to bot the game.