31.5% Siege Damage Increase on Vivec

IxSTALKERxI

The siege masters of Vivec and Shor have learned from their counterparts in Sotha Sil, and all siege weapons will be more effective against players in Champion enabled Campaigns.

Developer Comment:
Siege damage over the years has tailed off in terms of raw output when comparing CP vs. No-CP campaigns. Siege in Non-CP campaigns deal damage that more closely resembles the original design and intent of Siege weaponry. The changes we’re doing to Siege damage in Champion-enabled campaigns result in closer parity between CP and Non-CP Siege damage.

I don't have exact numbers, but on live in Vivec I get hit by about 3100 damage from a fire balista.
On PTS, with same defensive CP, I get hit for 4200ish from a fire balista.

At first I thought maybe it's ignoring my CP in CP now... nope. When you take your CP out it does even more damage.


This seems to be approx 35% damage increase to siege... just in case the current scattershot catapaults weren't OP enough LOL...


Can other people please test siege damage and post your results to double check?... I really hope I'm wrong.


Edit: I did further testing. It seems to be a 31.5% damage increase from live to pts on vivec.

Live:
Fire balista 8971 damage against resource npc
Cold harbor treb 24921 with 12441 dot against resource npc

Same toon on PTS against resource npc:
Fire balista 11796 damage against resource npc
Cold harbor treb 32771 with 16386 dot against resource npc

Feanor

It has been like that on Sotha Sil since forever. Although the new Scattershot/Meatbag Combo has reached nuclear fallout level there now.

VaranisArano

Feanor wrote: »

It has been like that on Sotha Sil since forever. Although the new Scattershot/Meatbag Combo has reached nuclear fallout level there now.

If only there were Rad-Away and Rad-ex for catapult lingering debuffs. Or if Siege Shield would work to protect from the lingering debuffs and not just the initial hit.

IxSTALKERxI

Feanor wrote: »

It has been like that on Sotha Sil since forever. Although the new Scattershot/Meatbag Combo has reached nuclear fallout level there now.

Yeah siege has always been rough in No CP. I havn't played no CP since scattershot update. It's bad enough in Vivec, I can only imagine what scattershot is like in no cp...

Looks like the nuclear fallout is on it's way to Vivec lol.

IxSTALKERxI

This thread needs a 'siege damage is too damn high' meme.

casparian

I see it as part of their general effort to make resources more relevant. It will now be even more important to control resources so your opponents can place less siege.

Lord_Eomer

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

The siege masters of Vivec and Shor have learned from their counterparts in Sotha Sil, and all siege weapons will be more effective against players in Champion enabled Campaigns.

Developer Comment:
Siege damage over the years has tailed off in terms of raw output when comparing CP vs. No-CP campaigns. Siege in Non-CP campaigns deal damage that more closely resembles the original design and intent of Siege weaponry. The changes we’re doing to Siege damage in Champion-enabled campaigns result in closer parity between CP and Non-CP Siege damage.

I don't have exact numbers, but on live in Vivec I get hit by about 3100 damage from a fire balista.
On PTS, with same defensive CP, I get hit for 4200ish from a fire balista.

At first I thought maybe it's ignoring my CP in CP now... nope. When you take your CP out it does even more damage.


This seems to be approx 35% damage increase to siege... just in case the current scattershot catapaults weren't OP enough LOL...


Can other people please test siege damage and post your results to double check?... I really hope I'm wrong.

I believe they are closing gaps b/w CP enabled and Non CP campaign and change seems good.

IxSTALKERxI

Wolfhunter PvP meta build:

5x Heartland
5x Vicious Death
2x Earthgore

64 points in health, 7 prismatic

Blade Cloak + Scattershot catapault.


With this setup you might survive just long enough from enemy Balorgh users, werewolves and scattershots to set up a scattershot of your own. lol.

ak_pvp

They are just building hype for fo76. New trait, rad resistant, and new radX potions will be introduced.

maxjapank

Siege damage in Vivec is in a good place right now on live. Some may think it’s too strong. But I’m okay with where it is. But there is absolutely no reason to make it stronger. I reallly hope they don’t push through with this. People need to speak up. It will be a nightmare.

IxSTALKERxI

I did further testing. It seems to be a 31.5% damage increase from live to pts on vivec.

Live:
Fire balista 8971 damage against resource npc
Cold harbor treb 24921 with 12441 dot against resource npc

Same toon on PTS against resource npc:
Fire balista 11796 damage against resource npc
Cold harbor treb 32771 with 16386 dot against resource npc

I killed the resource NPC's with a single cold harbor treb.


Have fun...

Also I wonder if that means if you have no CP and you play on vivec you are going to get even more rekt then you do on sotha sil? lol rip new players.

Gnozo

Damage was only increased for CP campaigns

Enslaved

So you chose to play CP campaign. Then some super wise whatever decide you should fight vet level NPCs, for reasons unknown to sober ppl. And seems that was not enough, since next thing is buffing sieges in CP campaigns to same lelevs they hit ppl in nonCP. What is wrong with person who had idea this is good change? If we wanted to play non CP we would play non CP! Stop doing stupid changes no one asked for and fix things that are broken!

Berenhir

Vivec is already a zergy nightmare right now and everybody is playing twister with lingering siege damage. People are rapidly losing any interest in that stupid gameplay, pact isn't even poplocked anymore at 11pm CEST.

It's just sad.

Asmael

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

This thread needs a 'siege damage is too damn high' meme.

@IxSTALKERxI here ya go.

goldenarcher1

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

This thread needs a 'siege damage is too damn high' meme.

Zer0oo

what would be the perfect siege build for the pvp event? Just asking for a friend.

2xskoria+5xsloads+5?

Feanor

@Zer0oo

Vicious Death. It still procs on siege kills, or did they fix that finally?

Berenhir

Zer0oo wrote: »

what would be the perfect siege build for the pvp event? Just asking for a friend.

2xskoria+5xsloads+5?

Vicious Death instead of sloads. You could try if elf bane increased the oil dot.

I'd recommend heartland, just because you will get sieged while sieging yourself.

Also never tested if bloodthirsty works.

Beardimus

Getting hit in the head with a treb / ballista etc probably would really hurt in real life right.

And in game you get an almighty red circle appear warning you to block / roll / ward / move.

People dont like change, but personally things being more realistic, is better.

Sure it slows play, makes it more tactical etc but that's a good thing than just zerging everywhere.

Enslaved

Zer0oo wrote: »

what would be the perfect siege build for the pvp event? Just asking for a friend.

2xskoria+5xsloads+5?

Elf bane gives extra 2 seconds on fire damage, should work on cold fire balistas as well. Sloads proc from sieges, but vicious death does too. Skoria is fine I guess. Nereineth or however its pronounced should work fine too.

Mayrael

Enslaved wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

what would be the perfect siege build for the pvp event? Just asking for a friend.

2xskoria+5xsloads+5?

Elf bane gives extra 2 seconds on fire damage, should work on cold fire balistas as well. Sloads proc from sieges, but vicious death does too. Skoria is fine I guess. Nereineth or however its pronounced should work fine too.

Vicious Death is amazing with meatbags or oils. Does it mean we have now "Siege engeneer" build?

Mojomonkeyman

Beardimus wrote: »

Getting hit in the head with a treb / ballista etc probably would really hurt in real life right.

And in game you get an almighty red circle appear warning you to block / roll / ward / move.

People dont like change, but personally things being more realistic, is better.

Sure it slows play, makes it more tactical etc but that's a good thing than just zerging everywhere.

Yeah, sorry mate i can't imagine you carrying 1+ sieges by your own in real life. Or setting a single one up alone.

I like tactics, too. But sitting on a wall left-clicking isn't exactly that, right?

Anazasi

Berenhir wrote: »

Vivec is already a zergy nightmare right now and everybody is playing twister with lingering siege damage. People are rapidly losing any interest in that stupid gameplay, pact isn't even poplocked anymore at 11pm CEST.

It's just sad.

and yet they still send 60 players in a ball to take a keep.......Great way to reinforce the necessity for smaller groups to be able to defend against the zerg stacking faction.

barshemm

The tests with this thread are with a fire ballista, has anyone tested with a scattershot to see if the damage increase is consistent or if they tweaked each item individually?

Fire ballistas are basically useless in vivec right now, especially weak.

Enslaved

barshemm wrote: »

The tests with this thread are with a fire ballista, has anyone tested with a scattershot to see if the damage increase is consistent or if they tweaked each item individually?

Fire ballistas are basically useless in vivec right now, especially weak.

they would try out scattershot but server would explode.

ezio45

this and the guard changes were stupid, more "innovation" from zos noone asked for, they need to stop doing dumb *** and start fixing things ppl are about

Bergzorn

Let's hope that the current state in no CP is not ZOS' vision of interesting keep battles, and that we will get some tweaks in the future now that a broader player base is affected.

Drakkdjinn

Enslaved wrote: »

So you chose to play CP campaign. Then some super wise whatever decide you should fight vet level NPCs, for reasons unknown to sober ppl. And seems that was not enough, since next thing is buffing sieges in CP campaigns to same lelevs they hit ppl in nonCP. What is wrong with person who had idea this is good change? If we wanted to play non CP we would play non CP! Stop doing stupid changes no one asked for and fix things that are broken!

Nobody in NonCP wants to play with overtuned siege either, but CP siege has been a joke for a long time now.

Berenhir

Bergzorn wrote: »

Let's hope that the current state in no CP is not ZOS' vision of interesting keep battles, and that we will get some tweaks in the future now that a broader player base is affected.

They literally said that the current state in no CP is their vision of siege gameplay

InvitationNotFound

Berenhir wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

Let's hope that the current state in no CP is not ZOS' vision of interesting keep battles, and that we will get some tweaks in the future now that a broader player base is affected.

They literally said that the current state in no CP is their vision of siege gameplay

what the ***. where did they say that?
siege on no cp is the worst type of ***. with every single addon / dlc pvp gets worse and worse. and they are happy with the current state? just wtf...