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Nerf = Lethal Arrow (tracked death recap for 7 days)

generalmyrick
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I tracked my death recaps for 7 days and the number 1 culprit was lethal arrow with 7.8% of all death recap news...

Nerf it, not because it kills me....

Nerf it because its overperforming and, therefore, being used by every stam character with a bow. No diversity! No, sir! :-)

(other notables on my list
2nd place A = puncturing sweep = 4.9%
2nd place B = reverse slice/executioner = 4.9%
3rd place = heavy attack
20th place = sloads)
Edited by generalmyrick on June 14, 2018 4:50PM
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  • Solariken
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    lethal arrow is so high up because it's actually a stealth glitch that's being exploited. You're asking for the wrong nerf.

    Yep you don't need a nerf, you need a fix.
  • generalmyrick
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    lethal arrow is so high up because it's actually a stealth glitch that's being exploited. You're asking for the wrong nerf.

    thanks! elaborate! = help me :-)
    "The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:

    Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
    Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"

    Insight to Agree to Awesome Ratio = 1:6:2.7 as of 7/13/2018

    Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.
  • Juhasow
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    It's not lethal arrow that overperforms. It's general easiness of ganking in this game that is issue. People can repeat brainless one shot combos over and over without any drawbacks or penalties when they'll fail.
  • Drachenfier
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    I tracked my death recaps for 7 days and the number 1 culprit was lethal arrow with 7.8% of all death recap news...

    Nerf it, not because it kills me....

    Nerf it because its overperforming and, therefore, being used by every stam character with a bow. No diversity! No, sir! :-)

    (other notables on my list
    2nd place A = puncturing sweep = 4.9%
    2nd place B = reverse slice/executioner = 4.9%
    3rd place = heavy attack
    20th place = sloads)

    Really? All my death screen recaps look like this:

    Dizzying Swing
    Dizzying Swing
    Dizzying Swing
    Executioner
    Executioner
  • Milvan
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    Yeah, nerf that and Staminas will never step on a trial ever again.
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  • Ankael07
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    What kind of reasoning for nerf is this? You dont even mention what class you are what gear build youre using whatsoever.

    If they nerf LA are you going to complain about the next 1st skill you die the most?
    If you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.
  • DuskMarine
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    I tracked my death recaps for 7 days and the number 1 culprit was lethal arrow with 7.8% of all death recap news...

    Nerf it, not because it kills me....

    Nerf it because its overperforming and, therefore, being used by every stam character with a bow. No diversity! No, sir! :-)

    (other notables on my list
    2nd place A = puncturing sweep = 4.9%
    2nd place B = reverse slice/executioner = 4.9%
    3rd place = heavy attack
    20th place = sloads)

    this attack is probly one of the lowest killers in pvp unless your an exploiter they found a way to glitch spam lethal arrow where it hits you 6 times in a second or 2 practically one shotting you. so you cant nerf something over a glitch.
  • TequilaFire
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    Only 7.8%?
    Can you spell sarcasm? lol
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  • Dredlord
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    Solariken wrote: »
    lethal arrow is so high up because it's actually a stealth glitch that's being exploited. You're asking for the wrong nerf.

    Yep you don't need a nerf, you need a fix.

    /Slowclap

    It has needed a fix for years now. If it cant be fixed it needs to be nerfed. You cant have the game turn into bowscrubs online. While you guys fight over the semantics of it.
  • DDuke
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    Dredlord wrote: »
    Solariken wrote: »
    lethal arrow is so high up because it's actually a stealth glitch that's being exploited. You're asking for the wrong nerf.

    Yep you don't need a nerf, you need a fix.

    /Slowclap

    It has needed a fix for years now. If it cant be fixed it needs to be nerfed. You cant have the game turn into bowscrubs online. While you guys fight over the semantics of it.

    It is also "negatively bugged" multiple many ways, e.g:
    1. A snipe that is being cast can be dodged even before it's in the air if you hit dodge roll during the cast time.
    2. Snipes often disappear (new in Summerset update) mid-air and deal no damage.
    3. You can reveal a NB or someone going into stealth with Bombard before the Snipe lands & it'll still miss.


    So considering there's 3 "negative bugs" against 1 "positive bug", I guess Snipe damage needs to be buffed :trollface:
    Edited by DDuke on June 14, 2018 11:03PM
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  • Recremen
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    It's an execute and a DoT, it's meant to be the killing blow and is slightly more likely to get it just for the fact that it sticks around. The balance is that you can heal through it, unlike two-handed execute or steel tornado. Heck, you can even reflect it with the right skills. Therefore, not a problem. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do when used competently.
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  • DuskMarine
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    Recremen wrote: »
    It's an execute and a DoT, it's meant to be the killing blow and is slightly more likely to get it just for the fact that it sticks around. The balance is that you can heal through it, unlike two-handed execute or steel tornado. Heck, you can even reflect it with the right skills. Therefore, not a problem. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do when used competently.

    thats poison injection lethal arrow is our major defile.
  • Katahdin
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    7.8 % is in no way, shape or form an overwhelming majority. If that's the leading thing that kills you, seems pretty balanced against all the other skills people use
    Edited by Katahdin on June 14, 2018 11:20PM
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  • DuskMarine
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    7.8 % is in no way, shape or form an overwhelming majority. If that's the leading thing that kills you, seems pretty balanced against all the other skills people use

    i think sloads is holding like a 30% on me right now just because of how popular that thing of a set is.
  • Dredlord
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    DDuke wrote: »
    Dredlord wrote: »
    Solariken wrote: »
    lethal arrow is so high up because it's actually a stealth glitch that's being exploited. You're asking for the wrong nerf.

    Yep you don't need a nerf, you need a fix.

    /Slowclap

    It has needed a fix for years now. If it cant be fixed it needs to be nerfed. You cant have the game turn into bowscrubs online. While you guys fight over the semantics of it.

    It is also "negatively bugged" multiple many ways, e.g:
    1. A snipe that is being cast can be dodged even before it's in the air if you hit dodge roll during the cast time.
    2. Snipes often disappear (new in Summerset update) mid-air and deal no damage.
    3. You can reveal a NB or someone going into stealth with Bombard before the Snipe lands & it'll still miss.


    So considering there's 3 "negative bugs" against 1 "positive bug", I guess Snipe damage needs to be buffed :trollface:

    Impact of the bugs would dictate the best solution.

    You can choose to use bow or not, you cant choose to not be snipe glitched.

    One bug has no counterplay, the other also effects other skills like dark flare and may be working as intended.
  • idk
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    I tracked my death recaps for 7 days and the number 1 culprit was lethal arrow with 7.8% of all death recap news...

    Nerf it, not because it kills me....

    Nerf it because its overperforming and, therefore, being used by every stam character with a bow. No diversity! No, sir! :-)

    (other notables on my list
    2nd place A = puncturing sweep = 4.9%
    2nd place B = reverse slice/executioner = 4.9%
    3rd place = heavy attack
    20th place = sloads)

    There is absolutely zero information in this OP that even suggests the skill is over performing.

    If Zos nerfed skills because you died top it more than any other skill then everything will get nerfed eventually, time and time again.

    Think about that a moment.
    Really, idk
  • DDuke
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    Dredlord wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    Dredlord wrote: »
    Solariken wrote: »
    lethal arrow is so high up because it's actually a stealth glitch that's being exploited. You're asking for the wrong nerf.

    Yep you don't need a nerf, you need a fix.

    /Slowclap

    It has needed a fix for years now. If it cant be fixed it needs to be nerfed. You cant have the game turn into bowscrubs online. While you guys fight over the semantics of it.

    It is also "negatively bugged" multiple many ways, e.g:
    1. A snipe that is being cast can be dodged even before it's in the air if you hit dodge roll during the cast time.
    2. Snipes often disappear (new in Summerset update) mid-air and deal no damage.
    3. You can reveal a NB or someone going into stealth with Bombard before the Snipe lands & it'll still miss.


    So considering there's 3 "negative bugs" against 1 "positive bug", I guess Snipe damage needs to be buffed :trollface:

    Impact of the bugs would dictate the best solution.

    You can choose to use bow or not, you cant choose to not be snipe glitched.

    One bug has no counterplay, the other also effects other skills like dark flare and may be working as intended.

    And you can choose to use bow if you think snipe glitch is impactful enough to make it "overpowered". See how well spamming snipe works out in PvP (spoiler: it doesn't always glitch/bug out).


    Look, I agree the bug needs to be fixed. But in the meanwhile here's some things that can help you play against it:
    1. Monitor your debuffs/combat log. Snipe glitch is a health/animation desync one, but your debuffs (and the damage if you have combat log) still appear on time. The moment you see Poisoned status effect+Major Defile, dodge roll. Sometimes the audio still appears (not always).
    2. Run wings if mDK & keep them up 24/7.
    3. Stay in stealth when you think a bow user might have a clear line of sight on you.
    Edited by DDuke on June 15, 2018 12:00AM
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  • xeNNNNN
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    Juhasow wrote: »
    It's not lethal arrow that overperforms. It's general easiness of ganking in this game that is issue. People can repeat brainless one shot combos over and over without any drawbacks or penalties when they'll fail.

    and this is why I run soul assault as my secondary ult. Purely to delete bowblades.

    I feel no shame from running it, I know what people think and the state of the game just puts me in a position where im basically saying...yeah...I dont care anymore.
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  • Edziu
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    Nerf it because its overperforming and, therefore, being used by every stam character with a bow. No diversity! No, sir! :-)

    well no diversity..maybe its jsut because we dotn have to much stam morph in class skills at all?
    and tbh if you have seen or be in topic on this even in pve people hate lethal arrow for the only spammable in bow and this wont be very bad if we can get something other to bow spammable than this snipe with cast time

    here with no diversity you cant blame players :) blame ZOS as they gived us only this and even warden dont use to often his birds at all but he is using them only because have no cast time for this
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  • klowdy1
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    I tracked my death recaps for 7 days and the number 1 culprit was lethal arrow with 7.8% of all death recap news...

    Nerf it, not because it kills me....

    Nerf it because its overperforming and, therefore, being used by every stam character with a bow. No diversity! No, sir! :-)

    (other notables on my list
    2nd place A = puncturing sweep = 4.9%
    2nd place B = reverse slice/executioner = 4.9%
    3rd place = heavy attack
    20th place = sloads)

    What else are stam characters with a bow going to use? Plus, many stam characters don't even use a bow. And 7.8% is hardly a problematic percentage. Or maybe I am just missing that this is all tongue in cheek.

    Seriously, I was expecting something like 25%. WHAT?!?! PEOPLE USE RANGE ABILITIES IN PVP?!?!
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