So Morrowind is just a DLC now...

Avrael

Maybe im a bit late to this... maybe not, i honestly dont know, im not that active atm.

Before and at release of Morrowind, many people were dissapointed that they didnt got Morrowind with Eso+, because its not a DLC but a "Chapter". And they made a REALLY big deal out of this, like "Oh ofc its not a DLC, look at how big it is, we cant just give that away in your monthly subscribtion that costs a goddarn lot anyways for the few things you get (mainly crafting bag... noone would use Eso+ if not for the crafting bag.)"

And now, POOF! Battlegrounds in the maingame (which is a good thing, but still...) and the entire Chapter reduced to just a DLC. Its in the DLC-Tag in the Crown-Store now. Im not 100% sure, but i guess this will make it appear in the Eso+ sub now, please correct me if im wrong. And i wouldnt honestly know what would be worse, if it IS now in Eso+, or if its not... both options are bullsh*t after their big hype about "NOT A DLC, NOT IN ESO+, YOU HAVE TO BUY THIS AS AN EXTRA GAME!".

Summerset still is a Chapter. There still is a Chapter-Tag in the Crown-Store, and Summerset is in there. So for how long, a year? Then its reduced to a DLC too and we could have had it with Eso+?

Im really quite p*ssed about this. And not even because i had to pay for both as full games each, to be honest most of the stuff they brought was quite worth it for an active player, but, BUT, whats the breakpoint here is that they didnt intend this from the beginning (at least they didnt tell us), and just squeeze it in now. Thats a really treacherous and sneaky marketing tactic that doesnt reflect well on Zenimax at all. Its quite up there on EA and Activision Level, and no developer wants to be even near that ever if they value selfrespect and their players/customers.

Its really not (only) because of the money i now feel i at least partly "wasted", even if i would have buyed it nontheless back then just to have the stuff at that point in time and not just... now, but essentialy for the respectless marketing towards us players. Thats not ok imo. I feel really stabbed in the back. If they would have told us: "Hey yo sup b, you can buy this to get it now, or wait a year and then we will put it in Eso+" Still, probably everyone back then would still have buyed it. But the exact opposite happened. "Nah this is no DLC, are you crazy? You wont get this in Eso+" And now they doing exactly that, the thing they almost *** themselves about back then.

And yes, i know im complaining a lot over a lot of things, but mainly gameplay related. That they adapt this marketing perspective now is sadly another whole story.


Edit: One good thing about this is, you now can buy the stuff from the Morrowind Collectors Edition without buying the whole thing again... thats pretty neat, i hoped they would bring this, just the stuff without the chapter... oh excuse me, DLC, again. So not ALL is bad... but the negative things overweigh so much sometimes...

Aliyavana

It seems like buying chapters are just early access before they hit the crown store and eso plus. Anyone that cares enough for the game and wants to experience the chapter anyways will buy it full price or before it hits the crown store, and those that can wait will wait for it to lower or be bought on the crown store

PlagueSD

That's what happens when content has been out for a year. I expect the same thing to happen to Summerset next year. Jewelcrafting and Psijic Order will be part of the base game.

This is normal MMO life-cycle. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

Rohamad_Ali

Then you'll be even angrier to hear I was one of those people complaining and I got it for free just by waiting .lol

Avrael

Aliyavana wrote: »

It seems like buying chapters are just early access before they hit the crown store and eso plus. Anyone that cares enough for the game and wants to experience the chapter anyways will buy it full price or before it hits the crown store, and those that can wait will wait for it to lower or be bought on the crown store

Yes, again, im not angry that they did this, but that they did this now, without telling us anything AND making a huge deal about it at release that its NOT A DLC! They lied to us and to themselves.

Leandor

Check the crown store price for warden class. You still have to pay extra for the full morrowind experience and be honest: are you, after a year, still doing something else in morrowind except grinding world bosses and farming furniture recipes?

Your aggravation is not unfounded, but wouldn't you think that by now, it's not really worth the effort?

Iselin

Avrael wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

It seems like buying chapters are just early access before they hit the crown store and eso plus. Anyone that cares enough for the game and wants to experience the chapter anyways will buy it full price or before it hits the crown store, and those that can wait will wait for it to lower or be bought on the crown store

Yes, again, im not angry that they did this, but that they did this now, without telling us anything AND making a huge deal about it at release that its NOT A DLC! They lied to us and to themselves.

The only people who made a big deal out of not being a DLC were the forum white knights. ZOS made a big deal out it not being an expansion but they remained conspicuously silent on the "isn't this just a new name for a DLC that isn't included with ESO+" question because of course, that's what chapters are.

Knootewoot

It is pretty common for an expansion to go free and be part of te current game if you sub.
Look at all the WOW expansions. I never bought one, but i have access to all except the latest.

Avrael

Leandor wrote: »

Your aggravation is not unfounded, but wouldn't you think that by now, it's not really worth the effort?

To be honest, no... nothing in Eso is worth discussing anymore because we should just expect the worst... but still, i cant help myself, i still think MAYBE they will find on a better path someday, for all of us, but so far that pretty much didnt happen. Weapon color changing and jewelery crafting were 2 big positives the last months, but both things that should have been in the game much earlier, before every DLC imo, but i guess its ok as long as it did come now. But not a lot more very exiting things have happened in a long time. In fact, more bugs are piling up then anyone could count in a lifetime.

Epona222

Also I pre-ordered, and got a load of stuff that I thought would be exclusive to pre-orders. No, it's now all in a bundle that can be purchased with crowns - although - get this - the Morrowind chapter is not included - it says that in the small print.

I mean why bother pre-ordering ANYTHING if I can later get the content on ESO+ and buy the pre-order bundle with the crowns from my ESO+?

Shot yourselves in the foot there Zeni, there is NO reason to buy any chapter, or pre-order anything, because if you hold out you'll just get it later with your sub and your sub crowns. I was in beta and subbed since launch and feel ripped off that I paid for what was actually 1 year unadvertised early access to MW when you said it wouldn't be available with ESO+, and even my preorder bonuses aren't sacrosanct.

Taking me down a back alley, smacking me in the head, and nicking my wallet would be more honest

Avrael

Knootewoot wrote: »

It is pretty common for an expansion to go free and be part of te current game if you sub.
Look at all the WOW expansions. I never bought one, but i have access to all except the latest.

Well yes, but did they say at the release of the first expansion something like "You will NEVER get this in your subscribtion, dont even dream about it!" ... i honestly dont know, i dont play WoW, i know nothing about it, but i would be suprised if they did something like that. Like Zenimax did. Not quite in this tone, but you know what i mean. They made it very clear they didnt intend Morrowind as a DLC.

sylviermoone

Avrael wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Your aggravation is not unfounded, but wouldn't you think that by now, it's not really worth the effort?

To be honest, no... nothing in Eso is worth discussing anymore because we should just expect the worst... but still, i cant help myself, i still think MAYBE they will find on a better path someday, for all of us, but so far that pretty much didnt happen. Weapon color changing and jewelery crafting were 2 big positives the last months, but both things that should have been in the game much earlier, before every DLC imo, but i guess its ok as long as it did come now. But not a lot more very exiting things have happened in a long time. In fact, more bugs are piling up then anyone could count in a lifetime.

What exactly do you consider to be a better path? Should they continue to develop the game, release new content every 3 months, and just give everything to everyone for nothing? I don't know....seems to me that's a great strategy....if your goal is to go out of business.

So, now you know that the current Chapter will broken up and rolled into the Crown Store in a year. If you want it "for free" (it isn't free, you still have to purchase the parts or have an active subscription), you can wait a year and get it "for free". If you want to play while it's new, you can purchase it when it's released.

The fact is that there are ongoing costs associated with game upkeep and development. There are loads of people that work at ZOS and depend on that company making money to support their families. Paying for an expansion yearly is pretty standard in the MMO world, and it's also pretty standard to roll that into the base game when the next expansion is released.

TL;DR: Nothing to see here, folks. Please move along.....

MLGProPlayer

This is how every MMO does it.

Avrael

sylviermoone wrote: »

What exactly do you consider to be a better path? Should they continue to develop the game, release new content every 3 months, and just give everything to everyone for nothing? I don't know....seems to me that's a great strategy....if your goal is to go out of business.

A better path would be fixing major bugs and mistakes before releasing new content that you cant enjoy to the fullest because of the bugs and mistakes. And maybe make the game subscription only again, so they make money but can focus on more important things then new boring quests that follow old or stupid patterns and beautiful citys that you will visit exactly once and that only if you do questing and PvE. I personally would rather pay 12€ a month for the game........ which i do anyways because of Eso+, for a few bugs to get fixed instead of entire Summerset.

Beardimus

It's £20 a year. Honestly.....

I know everyone's budgets different for for a $€£¥ per hour of play we do pretty well.

And yeah a year later stuff is cheaper. That's standard for everything in life.

As for adding stuff to base game like BG. That's good for us all, healthy Pop is better.

TelvanniWizard

That´s why I didn´t buy Summerset. Next year I´ll get it for free.

Cously

I didn't see Morrowind ESO+ coming but was pretty clear to me would devalue over time. I recently bought Skyrim Special Edition very cheap on a Steam sale. This is absolutely predictable.

Matei

I dont pay for ESO+ but prefer to pay for a chapter that i like

Preyfar

I don't mind that it's DLC now. I more mind that ZOS made such a big deal about removing their original plans for the game of "get all the content free with subscription" and promising major quarterly updates to the game, but weren't able to do that, then had to scale back dramatically. Add in the major focus to the crown store at times and their priorities just feel... odd

Linaleah

I'm used to this being a thing in MMO's with subscription, to be honest. i bought vvardenfel when I did, becasue I wanted to play it then not a year or more later. same for summerset. if you are willing to wait to play it? cool, your life, your choices. it doesn't mean that chapters themselves are not worth buying, period, just becasue they will be rolled into base game/DLC style purchases after a while.

I mean... I wasn't subscriber at first when I came back. and I ended up buying first 4 DLC's individually at full price. and then they got rolled into a set of 4 at a lower cost. and then each of them went on sale individually, during their respective anniversaries. and... i decided to subscribe and stay subscribed. but you know what? I don't regret buying those DLC's when I did. because i got to play them. then. not much later. exactly when I wanted to.

most things become cheaper with time. exception being certain limited number collectibles and my favorite portable internet radio (grumblegrumble, it used to be 50, why is it 200 now?? ). its up to you to decide, knowing that in all likelihood, the game WILl be cheaper eventually... whether you want to wait. or play right away. but game becoming cheaper/included in a service, etc it doesn't make it a bad thing.

CompM4s

Im not waiting a year to play additional content. Ill pay the extra 20$ for it now.

Joker99

This game’s community is filled with elder scrolls casuals that have no idea how an MMO runs. Please, stop complaining, it’s getting ridiculous already.

TheCyberDruid

Avrael wrote: »

Summerset still is a Chapter. There still is a Chapter-Tag in the Crown-Store, and Summerset is in there. So for how long, a year? Then its reduced to a DLC too and we could have had it with Eso+?

Of course it will be like that. Hey, you only have to wait a year and you can have Summerset just by having ESO+!

hakan

funny you guys say it like there is no way to support game right now ( sub, costumes, dlcs, crates) no one wants anything free. stop hyperboling. lol " they have families too you know" wow genius.

Robo_Hobo

I'm surprised there's so much dislike for this. I thought it was a generally expected thing that expansions become free, or at least part of the subscription, when the next one comes out.

After all, the opposite would be that in three years from now a new player starting the game would see 5 $20 chapters they have to buy for all of the game content, on top of a sub for the rest of the smaller ones.

Imagine if you started World of Warcraft today and had to buy all 7 of their expansions for all of the content on top of the base game and on top of the mandatory subscription. Those ones are more expensive too.

Does the idea of knowing from the start that if you want to play the whole game you would have to buy the base game and then spend another over $100 and a monthly subscription to do so sound like it would be really be a good thing to a new player considering the game?

malchior

It really isn't that bad. I bought Morrowind Digital Collector's upgrade for around $53 AUD. The total number of crowns is 7100.

2100 Collector's
1500 Warden
3500 MW

$50 AUD would have gotten me only 5500 crowns last year. Plus, MW owners got the free mount.

Pixel_Zealot

Well, I can't say I'm surprised.

They called it a chapter so they could make some extra income. Once it died out and the source of income dwindled, they gave it away with ESO+.

They got the money they wanted, so they don't have any obligation to stick to their word (Morrowind being an expansion, instead of a DLC). When people stop buying summerset in a few months, they'll give that away for free too.

I guess we should just be happy that those who didn't buy it don't have to pay for it anymore.

MLGProPlayer

Joker99 wrote: »

This game’s community is filled with elder scrolls casuals that have no idea how an MMO runs. Please, stop complaining, it’s getting ridiculous already.

But even single player games depreciate over time. Most games are $10 on Steam a year after they release.

You'd have to be living under a rock to not know how consumer pricing of goods works.

Sevn

This is a common practice in mmo's. I'm more surprised that so many ESO players had zero clue that a year later it would become available in the CS.

Also, are you guys still arguing over semantics? It's not a chapter, it's an expansion! No it's dlc! Call it whatever you want, won't change a thing about how these updates will be dished out.

Avrael

Sevn wrote: »

It's not a chapter, it's an expansion! No it's dlc! Call it whatever you want, won't change a thing about how these updates will be dished out.

Youre making it sound like we players made a big deal out of it. WE did not, ZOS did. THATS what im going on about!
Im not mad THAT they did this, im mad they did this after making it look like they would never ever do it because it was NOT a DLC and they almost clobbered us with that statement.
With most people i sometimes feel like game developers could sh*t on your plates and you would gracefully eat it and pay for it. Seriously.

notimetocare

Epona222 wrote: »

Also I pre-ordered, and got a load of stuff that I thought would be exclusive to pre-orders. No, it's now all in a bundle that can be purchased with crowns - although - get this - the Morrowind chapter is not included - it says that in the small print.

I mean why bother pre-ordering ANYTHING if I can later get the content on ESO+ and buy the pre-order bundle with the crowns from my ESO+?

Shot yourselves in the foot there Zeni, there is NO reason to buy any chapter, or pre-order anything, because if you hold out you'll just get it later with your sub and your sub crowns. I was in beta and subbed since launch and feel ripped off that I paid for what was actually 1 year unadvertised early access to MW when you said it wouldn't be available with ESO+, and even my preorder bonuses aren't sacrosanct.

Taking me down a back alley, smacking me in the head, and nicking my wallet would be more honest

Keep thinking like that while the rest of us fund you being able to play it free/for crowns. If people did not buy Morrowind we would likely never have seen Summerset