Do You Have Access To Sell Through Guild Traders?

Tabbycat

Are you able to sell your items through the guild trader system?

Tandor

A long overdue poll, both in terms of the question it raises and the unbiased way in which the options are worded.

redspecter23

I answered the second option but there really is a lot of difference between 1 and 2. No guild can every guarantee a guild trader every week. Even if they have had one every single week so far, any given week can end the streak. Although I have 2 guilds that bid on traders weekly and they very rarely lose (I've never had a week with no guild trader between them), I can't say that they will always have one.

Avalon

Still need to understand that the polls on here only represent the portion of the playerbase that is serious and hardcore enough about the game to come spend time on the forums. Need to understand that the vast majority of players are casual, and never visit any forums at all.

Tandor

Avalon wrote: »

Still need to understand that the polls on here only represent the portion of the playerbase that is serious and hardcore enough about the game to come spend time on the forums. Need to understand that the vast majority of players are casual, and never visit any forums at all.

You can actually argue that the other way round and say that the players who are serious and hardcore about the game stick to playing it and don't waste half their time on the forums !

I dare say there's a bit of truth in both arguments. Certainly it's right, however, that for whatever reason it's only a very small portion of the playerbase that ever visits forums.

Tabbycat

redspecter23 wrote: »

I answered the second option but there really is a lot of difference between 1 and 2. No guild can every guarantee a guild trader every week. Even if they have had one every single week so far, any given week can end the streak. Although I have 2 guilds that bid on traders weekly and they very rarely lose (I've never had a week with no guild trader between them), I can't say that they will always have one.

No one can predict the future with 100% certainty. You can just go off of your own experience. If a person has been with a guild for 1 week, they can truthfully say that their guild has always had a guild trader if they had one when they joined. And, that would, of course, skew the poll results.

But if your overall experience has been that you've always had access to a guild trader, I'd say that it's probably fine to vote that way. My guilds haven't always had a guild trader, although usually one of them does (I'm only in 3 and one doesn't participate). So I marked the second option as my answer, since that has been my experience.

ArchMikem

My Guildmaster does the best he can. We're not super rich so sometimes he can land the trader in Shor's Stone or the one outside the Hollow City in Coldharbour. But most of the time he's still outbid by someone else. Can't imagine who would want crappy traders like that so badly to outbid others...

Avalon

Should also ask whether their traders are in prime locations, or elsewise. I mean, yeah, sure, Guild X ALWAYS has a guild trader... he's that guy in that one outpost in Cyrodiil... or, Glorgzorgo...

Tabbycat

Avalon wrote: »

Should also ask whether their traders are in prime locations, or elsewise. I mean, yeah, sure, Guild X ALWAYS has a guild trader... he's that guy in that one outpost in Cyrodiil... or, Glorgzorgo...

That's a good point. I should make an effort to shop at the out of the way traders more often. It's been my experience in the past that players who sell out in the middle of nowhere tend to list items at a higher price than players in major cities. I think if those players listed their items at a lower price, more of a bargain, it would encourage more players to travel out of their way to buy. So even though they might lose some profit on the individual sale, they could actually end up selling more items and making more money by undercutting the major hub markets.

Avalon

Tabbycat wrote: »

Avalon wrote: »

Should also ask whether their traders are in prime locations, or elsewise. I mean, yeah, sure, Guild X ALWAYS has a guild trader... he's that guy in that one outpost in Cyrodiil... or, Glorgzorgo...

That's a good point. I should make an effort to shop at the out of the way traders more often. It's been my experience in the past that players who sell out in the middle of nowhere tend to list items at a higher price than players in major cities. I think if those players listed their items at a lower price, more of a bargain, it would encourage more players to travel out of their way to buy. So even though they might lose some profit on the individual sale, they could actually end up selling more items and making more money by undercutting the major hub markets.

It's been my experience that it is the exact opposite. They sell for extremely underpriced values, because they know the only people really buying from them, are their own guild members who can search at any bank rather than go out in the boonies. And, when they are at every bank, that puts them in direct competition with the major guilds. If they don't undercut them dramatically, then, NO ONE buys from them. And, the reason they undercut, even in direct competition, is because thousands of players shop at the major traders... a maximum of 500 shops from them, and most times, it is 100-300, and if they price too high, they miss the few who have enough to buy.

If you aren't established on a major trader, you cannot charge that much. Sad thing is, a lot of these guilds don't even search their own stores, they forget they even have those stores... It's bad enough that 4 of the 5 guilds I am in, which label themselves as trade guilds, have 0-3 alchemy reagents, hardly any mats, etc. Btw, the last time I checked (just 2 days ago), there was a total of 3 reagents, and 2 of them were the same, all 3 in one guild. They simply stop selling eventually, because it is pointless to try... players learn that after a few months of having all of their stuff returned, over and over, no matter what price they ask (unless they decide to sell at ridiculously low prices)

zaria

redspecter23 wrote: »

I answered the second option but there really is a lot of difference between 1 and 2. No guild can every guarantee a guild trader every week. Even if they have had one every single week so far, any given week can end the streak. Although I have 2 guilds that bid on traders weekly and they very rarely lose (I've never had a week with no guild trader between them), I can't say that they will always have one.

Is in two guilds who is trade guilds, one always have an trader in Rawl'kwa with one exception, second tend to have trader half the time in places like Orsinium, not in because of trader but because they are nice for dungeons and normal trial farming.

Path

Yes. I am fortunate to be in a fantastic Trading Guild. Adore Angry Unicorn Traders.
Honest people. Great location for vendor. Voice chat (if desired. Not required)

D0PAMINE

Why is the poll private?

Armatesz

Not in a guild so in some aspect don't have to worry about dues. Still so much to do. It is a lie to say you have to be in a guild to make money, or even make large sums of money to boot.

JumpmanLane

Path wrote: »

Yes. I am fortunate to be in a fantastic Trading Guild. Adore Angry Unicorn Traders.
Honest people. Great location for vendor. Voice chat (if desired. Not required)

Yup I’m in AUT and they are a great guild! Prime spot in Rawlka. I’m in Skyvan (which is in Rawlka too). Once or twice Skyvan lost their spot but I remained loyal to them. (Continuing to buy if not sell until they came back to Rawlka).

AUT is my TRADING guild tho. I do my serious, serious business with them. Great guild.

DanteYoda

Yes but we have a very small guild and sometimes we cannot afford the trader fees.

dannymcgr81b14_ESO

I don't like paying a guild to be able to sell stuff so I just don't worry about it. I'm not against the system, I just don't want to deal with it.

Camb0Sl1ce

wish there was an "other" option, but anyway on xbox eu im probably in one of the larger trading guilds on the server. they always have a trader and always able to sell. reason i mentioned other option is because ive been playing on na recently, and i find it irritating how every single trade guild asks for "dues". ive played for years and have never been asked for dues on eu. so i cant sell anything on na because i personally dont want to pay someone 5-10k gold a week so i can have permission to sell.

MLGProPlayer

Everyone has access.

idk

Everyone has the opportunity for access. Some choose to not have access which is a personal decision.

Outside of that the poll and it's results are entertainment value and Zos understands that forum polls are for entertainment value. They are not statistically relevant due to their nature.

Cpt_Teemo

idk wrote: »

Everyone has the opportunity for access. Some choose to not have access which is a personal decision.

Outside of that the poll and it's results are entertainment value and Zos understands that forum polls are for entertainment value. They are not statistically relevant due to their nature.

You do realize that guilds have a cap of 500 members, and most members have more than one account in the same guilds, there are millions of players and only what 180 vendors in game?

180+500 = 90,000

3.5 million - 90,000 = 3.41 million without a trader, and even less if the guilds have multiple accounts by the same people.

MLGProPlayer

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Everyone has the opportunity for access. Some choose to not have access which is a personal decision.

Outside of that the poll and it's results are entertainment value and Zos understands that forum polls are for entertainment value. They are not statistically relevant due to their nature.

You do realize that guilds have a cap of 500 members, and most members have more than one account in the same guilds, there are millions of players and only what 180 vendors in game?

180+500 = 90,000

3.5 million - 90,000 = 3.41 million without a trader, and even less if the guilds have multiple accounts by the same people.

I have been in multiple trade guilds, at different times, in Rawl'kha (x2), Mournhold (x2), Belkarth (x3), Elden Root (x2), and Vivec City (x1).

Whenever a guild I'm in goes under I just type in zone chat of trader I want "LF X trade guild. Can do X amount of sales per week". 5 minutes later, I have an invite. You can also use your current guilds to gain access to other ones. A ton of my invites came from people I met in my current guilds. Every guild you're in will have multiple members that are in top trading guilds too.

If you don't put in the effort to find a trading guild, then you won't ever find one and you have only yourself to blame.

Cpt_Teemo

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Everyone has the opportunity for access. Some choose to not have access which is a personal decision.

Outside of that the poll and it's results are entertainment value and Zos understands that forum polls are for entertainment value. They are not statistically relevant due to their nature.

You do realize that guilds have a cap of 500 members, and most members have more than one account in the same guilds, there are millions of players and only what 180 vendors in game?

180+500 = 90,000

3.5 million - 90,000 = 3.41 million without a trader, and even less if the guilds have multiple accounts by the same people.

I have had multiple traders at different times in Rawl'kha (x2), Mournhold (x2), Belkarth (x3), Elden Root (x2), and Vivec City (x1).

Whenever a guild I'm in goes under I just type in zone chat of trader I want "LF X trade guild. Can do X amount of sales per week". 5 minutes later, I have an invite. You can also use your current guilds to gain access to other ones. A ton of my invites came from people I met in my current guilds. Every guild you're in will have multiple members that are in top trading guilds too.

If you don't put in the effort to find a trading guild, then you won't ever find one and you have only yourself to blame.

I don't blame anyone but the system they created, its failed since day 1.

MLGProPlayer

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Everyone has the opportunity for access. Some choose to not have access which is a personal decision.

Outside of that the poll and it's results are entertainment value and Zos understands that forum polls are for entertainment value. They are not statistically relevant due to their nature.

You do realize that guilds have a cap of 500 members, and most members have more than one account in the same guilds, there are millions of players and only what 180 vendors in game?

180+500 = 90,000

3.5 million - 90,000 = 3.41 million without a trader, and even less if the guilds have multiple accounts by the same people.

I have had multiple traders at different times in Rawl'kha (x2), Mournhold (x2), Belkarth (x3), Elden Root (x2), and Vivec City (x1).

Whenever a guild I'm in goes under I just type in zone chat of trader I want "LF X trade guild. Can do X amount of sales per week". 5 minutes later, I have an invite. You can also use your current guilds to gain access to other ones. A ton of my invites came from people I met in my current guilds. Every guild you're in will have multiple members that are in top trading guilds too.

If you don't put in the effort to find a trading guild, then you won't ever find one and you have only yourself to blame.

I don't blame anyone but the system they created, its failed since day 1.

Obviously an auction house would be better, but there is no reason for anyone not to be able to get into trading with the current system. It's extremely accessible. It just requires a tiny bit of effort.

idk

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Everyone has the opportunity for access. Some choose to not have access which is a personal decision.

Outside of that the poll and it's results are entertainment value and Zos understands that forum polls are for entertainment value. They are not statistically relevant due to their nature.

You do realize that guilds have a cap of 500 members, and most members have more than one account in the same guilds, there are millions of players and only what 180 vendors in game?

180+500 = 90,000

3.5 million - 90,000 = 3.41 million without a trader, and even less if the guilds have multiple accounts by the same people.

Please do me a favor and provide the numbers to support what I placed in bold? That statement seems questionable. Most players I know do not have multiple accounts, though some do.

The rest of your numbers are incorrect also. Not a single number can be supported.

More than 180 guild traders.
There is not near an average of 3.5 million accounts sold per server which does not even get into active accounts which is all that matters.

Clearly we do not have the millions, even thousands, clamoring for trader access that would happen if anything near what you have stated was correct.

EDIT: and clearly since there are trade guilds with space it seems to not be an issue.

Cpt_Teemo

idk wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Everyone has the opportunity for access. Some choose to not have access which is a personal decision.

Outside of that the poll and it's results are entertainment value and Zos understands that forum polls are for entertainment value. They are not statistically relevant due to their nature.

You do realize that guilds have a cap of 500 members, and most members have more than one account in the same guilds, there are millions of players and only what 180 vendors in game?

180+500 = 90,000

3.5 million - 90,000 = 3.41 million without a trader, and even less if the guilds have multiple accounts by the same people.

Please do me a favor and provide the numbers to support what I placed in bold? That statement seems questionable. Most players I know do not have multiple accounts, though some do.

The rest of your numbers are incorrect also. Not a single number can be supported.

More than 180 guild traders.
There is not near an average of 3.5 million accounts sold per server which does not even get into active accounts which is all that matters.

Clearly we do not have the millions, even thousands, clamoring for trader access that would happen if anything near what you have stated was correct.

According to this site ESO has sold nearly 9m copies of the game accross all 3 platforms,

https://altarofgaming.com/all-mmos-sorted-by-population-2018/

idk

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Everyone has the opportunity for access. Some choose to not have access which is a personal decision.

Outside of that the poll and it's results are entertainment value and Zos understands that forum polls are for entertainment value. They are not statistically relevant due to their nature.

You do realize that guilds have a cap of 500 members, and most members have more than one account in the same guilds, there are millions of players and only what 180 vendors in game?

180+500 = 90,000

3.5 million - 90,000 = 3.41 million without a trader, and even less if the guilds have multiple accounts by the same people.

Please do me a favor and provide the numbers to support what I placed in bold? That statement seems questionable. Most players I know do not have multiple accounts, though some do.

The rest of your numbers are incorrect also. Not a single number can be supported.

More than 180 guild traders.
There is not near an average of 3.5 million accounts sold per server which does not even get into active accounts which is all that matters.

Clearly we do not have the millions, even thousands, clamoring for trader access that would happen if anything near what you have stated was correct.

According to this site ESO has sold nearly 9m copies of the game accross all 3 platforms,

https://altarofgaming.com/all-mmos-sorted-by-population-2018/

6 servers and that site clearly does not say there are 9 million active players. Active players are the only ones that could be counted for this discussion. There data is way outdated by the way.

There are trade guilds with space so it does not seem to be a burgeoning issue.

Lunerdog

Not even remotely interested in guild traders or selling stuff to other players.

I sometimes buy from guild traders, but not very often. I stash what I want to keep and tend to give stuff away that I don't need.

I find constantly grubbing for money to be an ignoble pastime, in game and irl tbh.

Avalon

A couple complications to the numbers guessing going on:

1- People can be in 5 guilds, means that there are a lot of people in multiple trade guilds = less slots for others
2- We cannot just count actives, because there are a lot of guilds out there that never seem to boot inactives, which hold slots

As for just putting in a little bit of effort? That might pass on PC, because when I was on there, just like every other MMO out there, the chat was zooming by constantly! PC players use their keyboards and are no strangers to typing...

Console? Not the same story. I have sat in Stormhaven, near the wayshrine, during busy hours, and watched new messages creep by... sometimes not even a new message for minutes. People pop in, pop out, run by, etc. Now, the Area Voice Chat, though? Constantly people talking. However, VC has a very short range, and with people running by constantly, etc? May as well be that odd guy on the corner spouting out how the end is coming... people will pay about as much attention.

What the game needs is a "Find a Guild" interface. Something that will help fill out those guilds who are at 300-400, and have great positions. Unfortunately, I do feel it may have a further problem, though. Because of weekly dues for most of those guilds (still talking console, PC players have a completely different reality), we end up with people who want to be able to sell their stuff, so they need those prime locations/guilds, but are casuals, so might not be able to keep up the 10K a week, or don't know how to play the 'game'.

This is why the universal AH works better, is because it caters to the casuals. They simply look up their item, find the price, and put theirs up for that price, or slightly under, and done. No learning curve needed. In ESO, the trade system is its own game inside the game. Players need to check out other vendors, read through the guild history to see what stuff is selling for, whether there are increases or decreases, decide how much to sell in each stack, which guild to sell it in (because location might make a huge difference), etc etc...

The game is made up of a majority casuals, and a vast minority hardcores. The casuals just want to sell their crap, they don't want to spend hours that they don't have trying to learn how to play the 'game'. They want to throw their stuff on the AH, and get back to playing. Anyone that only has an hour to play each day is not looking to spend most of that hour trying to do the research needed to properly price and place each item. Yet again, console, not PC, so when we go to find prices on stuff, that can be a REAL chore! We don't have add-ons that make it a quick and relatively painless process. It can take 10 minutes just to find a single item for pricing, more if it is in demand and hard to find... insanely more if it is a motif =/

This is why I keep saying it is an issue of selfishness to say no to the AH, either you are saying it because you benefit from the way it is and wouldn't from the AH (because you got in at the right time, or lucky, or spend 8 hours a day playing, whatever); or, because you are on PC and cannot grasp how hard it is for Non-PC players without add-ons; or, several other options, but it always boils down to "I like it just fine! All those others who are the majority in the game can go away!"

And, yes, they are the majority, because casuals are ALWAYS the majority. I used to fight that concept tooth and nail, because I love hardcore games like old Everquest (death penalties rock!), but casuals hate that stuff. Well, after several games, I came to finally accept, casuals are the majority, in every game. And, they do not like anything hardcore just about. Might find a rare one that likes one or two hardcore concepts, but they are rare. Most just want to hop in game, check their mail, go play for an hour or two, throw stuff on the AH, log back out. If they need something, they check the AH, buy it, and move on.

Almost 100% of casuals hate this system, because it requires them to spend entirely too much time in the trader system, instead of playing the actual game. So, they end up doing 1 of 2 things: Quit the game, or ignore the trader system entirely. And if they are required to use it, because they cannot find what they want elsewise, they *** about it nonstop on the mic while in groups. I've been in entirely too many of those groups, with hundreds of players over the 3+ years on console, I've lost count, and I can remember names of the people who liked the system... that's how rare it is to find. I can name the ones who like it. There were THREE that I grouped with... in over 3 years... THREE. All the others ranged from did not like it, to cursing its existence.

As I said, though, PC players might feel differently, because they have add-ons. They change the entire perspective. We had to deal with no buffs, no debuffs, no mini-map, no DPS calculators, etc. We barely had a UI for a while at the start. We had to fight with all our might to get buffs/debuffs with Morrowind (IIRC). If it wasn't for console, that wouldn't have happened, because you guys have add-ons that do it, but finally we got through and convinced people that we need it IN the game, or else we don't have it. The same needs done with the traders. For us, it is an absolute horror if you are a casual.

phaneub17_ESO

Not in a guild, I could probably have made millions from most of my unwanted stuff too. I don't like the hassle of joining up with guilds so most of my stuff either gets vendored, deconstructed, filling in excess in the crafting bag, or hoarded indefinitely on an alt.

Motherball

I used to have 3 trade guilds I could fill with items, but my play has become sporadic and its difficult to meet quotas so I basically gave that whole portion of the game up. Its a shame really, because farming and trading were my favorite parts of the game when I was subbed. Thankfully other games have more streamlined and accessible trade systems.

It just requires a tiny bit of effort.

Its not the amount of effort, it’s the consistency of the effort that has caused me issues. The system is very exclusionary toward casual players, imo