Kicking, Pugs and queue finder

Stewart1874

So, got kicked from a PUG as a DD, re-queue get put back in the same game and unsurprisingly get instantly kicked. Now I can't queue for another dungeon for 15 minutes.

Explain how this is fair? Dungeon finder needs to be changed so as if kicked you're banned from re-entering that lobby again otherwise the system needlessly punishes you.

Total BS. Ridiculous system.

Vercingetorix

Getting kicked should not apply the timer penalty to you. Only choosing to abandon a group should do this. People will argue that trolls will simply "force" others to kick them so the troll can avoid the timer, but at the end of the day, removing the timer on folks who are kicked will HELP more than it will hurt.

Honest folks who are victims of the kick abuse will no longer be hurt by the dungeon finder's system. Sure, it may encourage some poor behavior to force a kick, but chances are that the troll will waste plenty of time trying to force a kick in the first place, thus negating any "benefit" the troll would get from the penalty change.

exeeter702

Stewart1874 wrote: »

So, got kicked from a PUG as a DD, re-queue get put back in the same game and unsurprisingly get instantly kicked. Now I can't queue for another dungeon for 15 minutes.

Explain how this is fair? Dungeon finder needs to be changed so as if kicked you're banned from re-entering that lobby again otherwise the system needlessly punishes you.

Total BS. Ridiculous system.

I feel like there are missing elements to this entire claim.

First of all you didnt get instant kicked the first time, since you requeued right away. Which means you were in the dungeon for at LEAST 15 minutes. Then you were put back in the same group and were instantly kicked and thus got the 15 min timer.

How about actually explaining what happened in your group the first time during that 15 (minimum) minute experience. Was it vet or normal? Contrary to populat belief, in non vet dungeons, you have to REALLY be a liability or problem for 3 people to agree to remove you.

In vet randoms, its entirely possible that certian players get instant kicked if they are below 160 cp and you get a dlc vet dungeon. Since you said you were a DD, that rules out the all so frequent ignorant class role discriminatory vote kick when you queue as healer or tank on anything but templar / dk respectively.

Seeing as you ommitted the entirety of your first exchange in the dungeon, one has to assume they deemed you unfit for the group. But alas getting vote kicked should never be an immediate choice (resulting in an instant 15 min penalty) but should be a decision based on performance or attitidue which generally will be apparent by the time your 15 min lockout is refreshed.

The only issue here is that the system should not put you in the same group that kicked you.

Vercingetorix

exeeter702 wrote: »

Contrary to populat belief, in non vet dungeons, you have to REALLY be a liability or problem for 3 people to agree to remove you.

I challenge that claim considering the fact that I often get kicked before I even get a chance to even port into the dungeon since it often fails to auto-port the entire group into the dungeon. Folks immediately assume AFK or poor skill due to not instantly being in the dungeon right away, which is ridiculous.

exeeter702

Vercingetorix wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Contrary to populat belief, in non vet dungeons, you have to REALLY be a liability or problem for 3 people to agree to remove you.

I challenge that claim considering the fact that I often get kicked before I even get a chance to even port into the dungeon since it often fails to auto-port the entire group into the dungeon. Folks immediately assume AFK or poor skill due to not instantly being in the dungeon right away, which is ridiculous.

That is hardly the norm, as most non vet dungeons can be completed with relative ease. Of course it can happen but if you fail to port on due to instqnce full, its because some one left or was voted out and the group requeued and found you before the previous player was fulled ported out of the instance.

And sorry but getting vote kicked should absolutely put the timer on you. Frankly, i find it cathartic when a player gets vote kicked for being terrible or toxic only to be placed back into the same group whom knows better and kicks them again instead of said player getting into a new group who might be more tolerant of bad attitudes or doesnt care about carrying dead weight. Im not labeling the OP as that type of player im just saying those people exist and are often found in group finder queues.

The op failed to comment in any way as to why they were kicked the first time. Since he had to have been in said dungeon for at least 15 minutes which generally rules out any level or other instinctual prejudices, something happened that made the 3 other players agree to kick him. If the intial kick was isntant he would have never been able to requeue immediately.

Stewart1874

exeeter702 wrote: »

Stewart1874 wrote: »

So, got kicked from a PUG as a DD, re-queue get put back in the same game and unsurprisingly get instantly kicked. Now I can't queue for another dungeon for 15 minutes.

Explain how this is fair? Dungeon finder needs to be changed so as if kicked you're banned from re-entering that lobby again otherwise the system needlessly punishes you.

Total BS. Ridiculous system.

I feel like there are missing elements to this entire claim.

First of all you didnt get instant kicked the first time, since you requeued right away. Which means you were in the dungeon for at LEAST 15 minutes. Then you were put back in the same group and were instantly kicked and thus got the 15 min timer.

How about actually explaining what happened in your group the first time during that 15 (minimum) minute experience. Was it vet or normal? Contrary to populat belief, in non vet dungeons, you have to REALLY be a liability or problem for 3 people to agree to remove you.

In vet randoms, its entirely possible that certian players get instant kicked if they are below 160 cp and you get a dlc vet dungeon. Since you said you were a DD, that rules out the all so frequent ignorant class role discriminatory vote kick when you queue as healer or tank on anything but templar / dk respectively.

Seeing as you ommitted the entirety of your first exchange in the dungeon, one has to assume they deemed you unfit for the group. But alas getting vote kicked should never be an immediate choice (resulting in an instant 15 min penalty) but should be a decision based on performance or attitidue which generally will be apparent by the time your 15 min lockout is refreshed.

The only issue here is that the system should not put you in the same group that kicked you.

I feel like I gave enough detail in my OP as the complaint is about the mechanics of being regrouped with people that don't want to play with you and have actively voted that way once already and then being penalised for the game putting you in the same lobby again. I wasn't instantly kicked in the first instance, I never claimed I was, the instantaneous kicking occurred after I regrouped.

Anyway, I wasn't given a reason why I was kicked. I assume it was because the 2nd boss on (vet) fang lair is hard and they felt I wasn't doing well enough I'm CP 590ish. They might have been right, I've only managed the dungeon once on Vet and it was a tough slog but I do understand what I'm meant to be doing. Anyway, I don't see how any of that adds to the discussion since again, the complaint is mechanics related nothing more.

It seems ridiculous that ZOS haven't addressed this before. Its surely not a massive fix to their system to just add in a filter that removes kickees from being regrouped with their kickers. I've seen it happen a few times in other dungeons and its a frustrating (and ***) experience on both ends.

exeeter702

Stewart1874 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Stewart1874 wrote: »

So, got kicked from a PUG as a DD, re-queue get put back in the same game and unsurprisingly get instantly kicked. Now I can't queue for another dungeon for 15 minutes.

Explain how this is fair? Dungeon finder needs to be changed so as if kicked you're banned from re-entering that lobby again otherwise the system needlessly punishes you.

Total BS. Ridiculous system.

I feel like there are missing elements to this entire claim.

First of all you didnt get instant kicked the first time, since you requeued right away. Which means you were in the dungeon for at LEAST 15 minutes. Then you were put back in the same group and were instantly kicked and thus got the 15 min timer.

How about actually explaining what happened in your group the first time during that 15 (minimum) minute experience. Was it vet or normal? Contrary to populat belief, in non vet dungeons, you have to REALLY be a liability or problem for 3 people to agree to remove you.

In vet randoms, its entirely possible that certian players get instant kicked if they are below 160 cp and you get a dlc vet dungeon. Since you said you were a DD, that rules out the all so frequent ignorant class role discriminatory vote kick when you queue as healer or tank on anything but templar / dk respectively.

Seeing as you ommitted the entirety of your first exchange in the dungeon, one has to assume they deemed you unfit for the group. But alas getting vote kicked should never be an immediate choice (resulting in an instant 15 min penalty) but should be a decision based on performance or attitidue which generally will be apparent by the time your 15 min lockout is refreshed.

The only issue here is that the system should not put you in the same group that kicked you.

I feel like I gave enough detail in my OP as the complaint is about the mechanics of being regrouped with people that don't want to play with you and have actively voted that way once already and then being penalised for the game putting you in the same lobby again. I wasn't instantly kicked in the first instance, I never claimed I was, the instantaneous kicking occurred after I regrouped.

Anyway, I wasn't given a reason why I was kicked. I assume it was because the 2nd boss on (vet) fang lair is hard and they felt I wasn't doing well enough I'm CP 590ish. They might have been right, I've only managed the dungeon once on Vet and it was a tough slog but I do understand what I'm meant to be doing. Anyway, I don't see how any of that adds to the discussion since again, the complaint is mechanics related nothing more.

It seems ridiculous that ZOS haven't addressed this before. Its surely not a massive fix to their system to just add in a filter that removes kickees from being regrouped with their kickers. I've seen it happen a few times in other dungeons and its a frustrating (and ***) experience on both ends.

I got you.

PlagueSD

exeeter702 wrote: »

Stewart1874 wrote: »

So, got kicked from a PUG as a DD, re-queue get put back in the same game and unsurprisingly get instantly kicked. Now I can't queue for another dungeon for 15 minutes.

Explain how this is fair? Dungeon finder needs to be changed so as if kicked you're banned from re-entering that lobby again otherwise the system needlessly punishes you.

Total BS. Ridiculous system.

Contrary to populat belief, in non vet dungeons, you have to REALLY be a liability or problem for 3 people to agree to remove you.

Yep, only way you'll get insta kicked from one of my groups is if your a sorc with BOTH pets out with 12k health queuing as all 3 roles (came in as the tank). Obviously, you just queued up all roles so you could avoid the wait. Enjoy your 15 min timer

Tasear

Stewart1874 wrote: »

So, got kicked from a PUG as a DD, re-queue get put back in the same game and unsurprisingly get instantly kicked. Now I can't queue for another dungeon for 15 minutes.

Explain how this is fair? Dungeon finder needs to be changed so as if kicked you're banned from re-entering that lobby again otherwise the system needlessly punishes you.

Total BS. Ridiculous system.

Did you try requeing? Maybe it puts you in front of the line?

JumpmanLane

When me and my pals que for dungeons it’s usually pick up one guy. We usually argue about insta kicking whoever it is right off the bat. We just need him to get in the que. We usually just ignore them.

One guy started off real snotty like “2 tanks! No healer!” (We just put down any roles like who cares right). INSTANTLY KICKED.

A Pal of mine said hi to some pug. He didn’t respond. Insta kicked! Personally I’d say, don’t pug solo. Just run dungeons with your pals.

Tasear

So skimming over this. I would report this as a bug. It should just keep you in queue if it's the same people.