Cutting up motif chapters into pieces and putting them in crown crates.

btoop

Umm yeah, could you not to that? Could you just not?

Gambling/Loot-boxes are already problematic, surely the least you can do is try and make what we get from them somewhat worthwhile instead of increasingly non-worthwhile? I hear customer satisfaction can do much more for repeat purchases than kicking metaphorical dirt into peoples faces.

(Also, allowing for these motifs to be gained through fishing also only solves half the issue by the way, it only makes receiving a motif piece in a crown crate even more valueless and disappointing, continuing the ongoing theme of crown crates becoming increasingly worthless and stuffed with filler junk. You guys should know better than to accept such a non-'solution'.)

Anastian

Dude they already addressed this concern, you can fish the motif pages now.

Carbonised

We already had a debate on this. The full motif is available from fishing too, which is the optimal solution.

So, /thread.

Kiralyn2000

People already complained back when it was first suggested, and those motifs are also available from fishing, apparently.

ZioGio

My understanding is the frustration is not that one has to buy more crates to complete a motif, but, rather, that the single page motif now counts as the blue-or-better item per crate. That means a lesser chance of getting one of the other blue-or-better desired items.

btoop

Anastian wrote: »

Dude they already addressed this concern, you can fish the motif pages now.

Carbonised wrote: »

We already had a debate on this. The full motif is available from fishing too, which is the optimal solution.

So, /thread.

The issue is hardly addressed and no one should accept such a weak excuse as solving things.

The issue isn't about how easily they can or can't be obtained (although I am glad that they haven't yet gone to the extend of making you get all the motif pieces from a crown crate), the issue is how worthless it is in a crate you have to pay for, it brings a whole new meaning to disappointing and valueless.

Carbonised

btoop wrote: »

Anastian wrote: »

Dude they already addressed this concern, you can fish the motif pages now.

Carbonised wrote: »

We already had a debate on this. The full motif is available from fishing too, which is the optimal solution.

So, /thread.

The issue is hardly addressed and no one should accept such a weak excuse as solving things.

The issue isn't about how easily they can or can't be obtained (although I am glad that they haven't yet gone to the extend of making you get all the motif pieces from a crown crate), the issue is how worthless it is in a crate you have to pay for, it brings a whole new meaning to disappointing and valueless.

You just don't get it.

If you're so unhappy about crates, just pretend they don't exist and get the motif the in-game way.

Secondly, the motif pieces are blue rewards, instead of potions and crap food. Don't know about you, but I'd rather get a motif piece than a crown potion I'll just gem convert instantly anyway.

I'm really not someone to defend the crown store usually, but this solution is pretty much the perfect solution possible for this motif, and it gives value to fishing as well, which was needed, so there is literally zero things to complain about regarding this.

So yeah, /thread.

btoop

Carbonised wrote: »

btoop wrote: »

Anastian wrote: »

Dude they already addressed this concern, you can fish the motif pages now.

Carbonised wrote: »

We already had a debate on this. The full motif is available from fishing too, which is the optimal solution.

So, /thread.

The issue is hardly addressed and no one should accept such a weak excuse as solving things.

The issue isn't about how easily they can or can't be obtained (although I am glad that they haven't yet gone to the extend of making you get all the motif pieces from a crown crate), the issue is how worthless it is in a crate you have to pay for, it brings a whole new meaning to disappointing and valueless.

You just don't get it.

If you're so unhappy about crates, just pretend they don't exist and get the motif the in-game way.

Secondly, the motif pieces are blue rewards, instead of potions and crap food. Don't know about you, but I'd rather get a motif piece than a crown potion I'll just gem convert instantly anyway.

I'm really not someone to defend the crown store usually, but this solution is pretty much the perfect solution possible for this motif, and it gives value to fishing as well, which was needed, so there is literally zero things to complain about regarding this.

So yeah, /thread.

Except blue rewards aren't for consumables...

They are for collectables...

Exhibit A courtesy of @RaddlemanNumber7


Exhibit B courtesy of @Troneon


...Therefore they do not replace potions or food.

Additionally, pretending something doesn't exist is a weak excuse that you shouldn't do ZOS the favour of spreading. I'm not anti-ZOS and if I disliked them then I simply wouldn't care about what they done, but I do care, hence why I want to see crown crates actually be something worthwhile.

So yeah, not-/thread.

(Granted that if these were replacing consumables then this would be an improvement but this isn't the case)

driosketch

btoop wrote: »

(although I am glad that they haven't yet gone to the extend of making you get all the motif pieces from a crown crate),

They did already do that. Forum feedback made them walk that back and add the pages in game too. This is why people are saying this discussion is late to the party.

P.S. the original discussion was on the PTS forum, which not everyone had access to. I realize that now. It did, however, also leaked out into the main forums and reddit.

NyassaV

It's still stupid

btoop

driosketch wrote: »

btoop wrote: »

(although I am glad that they haven't yet gone to the extend of making you get all the motif pieces from a crown crate),

They did already do that. Forum feedback made them walk that back and add the pages in game too. This is why people are saying this discussion is late to the party.

Of course they did, I'm not even surprised. It is a shame that people have so easily accepted their 'solution' without a second thought.

billp_ESO

The easy remedy is to never buy crown crates.

If you have to buy crates to play the game effectively, then we've gone P2W.

Lake

Their explanation for originally making them crown crate exclusive was to "increase the perceived value of the blue rewards". Then people complained, so they added it to fishing in-game.

And now, it seems people are complaining that the fact that they're obtainable in-game - is reducing their value as a blue reward?

Ley

Can we please not have this conversation again.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5079845#Comment_5079845

btoop

billp_ESO wrote: »

The easy remedy is to never buy crown crates.

If you have to buy crates to play the game effectively, then we've gone P2W.

While this is a nice personal solution, it is unfortunately a laid back solution that also leads to companies thinking that they can keep on pushing without anyone caring.

btoop

Ley wrote: »

Can we please not have this conversation again.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5079845#Comment_5079845

For as long as it is still a problem, it is also still worth a discussion.

Things only get worse by ignoring stuff like this.

btoop

Lake wrote: »

Their explanation for originally making them crown crate exclusive was to "increase the perceived value of the blue rewards". Then people complained, so they added it to fishing in-game.

And now, it seems people are complaining that the fact that they're obtainable in-game - is reducing their value as a blue reward?

Yeah, pretty much actually. They were always something that were reduced in value seeing as usually this is something that would include all the motif pieces but now has instead been cut up just to lazily pad out the crates.

While I appreciate they made them obtainable in game in order to avoid outright exploiting people and forcing them into buying more crown crates in order to get all of something that should be one item (although we should never forget that they tried), this is still something that remains an issue and everyone shouldn't be so easily fooled by their 'solution'.

Turelus

driosketch wrote: »

btoop wrote: »

(although I am glad that they haven't yet gone to the extend of making you get all the motif pieces from a crown crate),

They did already do that. Forum feedback made them walk that back and add the pages in game too. This is why people are saying this discussion is late to the party.

P.S. the original discussion was on the PTS forum, which not everyone had access to. I realize that now. It did, however, also leaked out into the main forums and reddit.

I believe PTS forum is open to all, also the two topics I ran on this were public forums.

btoop I agree with you and would rather not have motif pages in crates, but considering we won the victory we did and got them to add them in game and not be a crate exclusive I am willing to take that victory and not push too much more.

The moment they try that line again though I'll be here to forum warrior.

VaranisArano

Look, realistically ZOS was never going to remove the motif chapters from the crown crates. Sure, we complained on the PTS, but they weren't going to remove them. They want to make blue rewards better, well, this is their idea for how to do that.

I'm honestly sort of okay with motif chapters as blue rewards. I use motifs much more than I use emotes or tattoos, my latest blue rewards. There's a reason I only use the free Crown Crates - the rewards kinda suck, motifs or no.

Fishing may not be your solution, but it certainly is a solution to the main thrust of most complaints on the PTS. Namely, that players would have to buy more crown crates to finish out a motif only available through crown crates. As a master angler, I like it.

Again, it may not solve your problem, but it certainly addressed my problem with motif chapters locked behind crown crates, so I'm satisfied. And motifs are more useful to me than any of the other things they pad out the blue rewards with, so again, I'm sort of okay with that.

Asardes

ZoS 2019 be like: "Unlock the next chapter of Elder Scrolls Online by collecting all 100 pieces of the magic key from the crown crates"

btoop

VaranisArano wrote: »

Look, realistically ZOS was never going to remove the motif chapters from the crown crates. Sure, we complained on the PTS, but they weren't going to remove them. They want to make blue rewards better, well, this is their idea for how to do that.

I'm honestly sort of okay with motif chapters as blue rewards. I use motifs much more than I use emotes or tattoos, my latest blue rewards. There's a reason I only use the free Crown Crates - the rewards kinda suck, motifs or no.

Fishing may not be your solution, but it certainly is a solution to the main thrust of most complaints on the PTS. Namely, that players would have to buy more crown crates to finish out a motif only available through crown crates. As a master angler, I like it.

Again, it may not solve your problem, but it certainly addressed my problem with motif chapters locked behind crown crates, so I'm satisfied. And motifs are more useful to me than any of the other things they pad out the blue rewards with, so again, I'm sort of okay with that.

It isn't that I want the motif pages removed from the crown store or that adding them to fishing didn't solve anything, it is more that the chapters should be included as a complete motif book. Previously, I would only occasionally buy a crown crate when I had some spare crowns left over but now I know my reward from a crate could be as little as just a single slither of a complete crafting style, I have no incentive to do so and I'd much rather hang onto the crowns, even if I have nothing to spend them on for a long while.

AlnilamE

btoop wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

btoop wrote: »

(although I am glad that they haven't yet gone to the extend of making you get all the motif pieces from a crown crate),

They did already do that. Forum feedback made them walk that back and add the pages in game too. This is why people are saying this discussion is late to the party.

Of course they did, I'm not even surprised. It is a shame that people have so easily accepted their 'solution' without a second thought.

The motif is available in-game. That is all the "solution" I need.

I'm never buying another crown crate, regardless of what they choose to stuff in them.

I also refuse to buy crown-exclusive motifs.

I'm voting with my wallet. I don't know what else you expect me to do.

btoop

AlnilamE wrote: »

btoop wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

btoop wrote: »

(although I am glad that they haven't yet gone to the extend of making you get all the motif pieces from a crown crate),

They did already do that. Forum feedback made them walk that back and add the pages in game too. This is why people are saying this discussion is late to the party.

Of course they did, I'm not even surprised. It is a shame that people have so easily accepted their 'solution' without a second thought.

The motif is available in-game. That is all the "solution" I need.

I'm never buying another crown crate, regardless of what they choose to stuff in them.

I also refuse to buy crown-exclusive motifs.

I'm voting with my wallet. I don't know what else you expect me to do.

I can certainly get behind voting with your wallet, it is certainly something I will be doing.

It is just a shame that the problem will still be there and Crown Crates are continuing to decline their rewards values (i.e. as mentioned here, something that would have once been a single item, being cut up into multiple items). Regardless of if we like them and buy them or not, crown crates are here to stay and it is just a shame they can't at least be somewhat worthwhile while being here.