When I first read about undo I thought about the Battle Roar passive. Will you have the amount of resources you had 4 seconds ago, or will you gain the resources from using the ultimate? I guess I know the answer. While I understand why it works this way, ZOS and their consistency (sarcasm) with things amazes me
When I first read about undo I thought about the Battle Roar passive. Will you have the amount of resources you had 4 seconds ago, or will you gain the resources from using the ultimate? I guess I know the answer. While I understand why it works this way, ZOS and their consistency (sarcasm) with things amazes me
Well, as Merlin said earlier it is pretty consistent. It gives you the resource from battle roar but then it's effect kicks in and your resources are reset to what they were 4 seconds ago. Way before you've used an ultimate to get resources.
Carbonised wrote: »When I first read about undo I thought about the Battle Roar passive. Will you have the amount of resources you had 4 seconds ago, or will you gain the resources from using the ultimate? I guess I know the answer. While I understand why it works this way, ZOS and their consistency (sarcasm) with things amazes me
Well, as Merlin said earlier it is pretty consistent. It gives you the resource from battle roar but then it's effect kicks in and your resources are reset to what they were 4 seconds ago. Way before you've used an ultimate to get resources.
And also @Feanor
Battle Roar is a large part of DK sustain/regen. For mDKs, it's even the literally /only/ source of class sustain, at least until we now get the very small sustain from combustion.
I'd say using any form of ultimate that essentially negates your Battleroar is about as much gimping yourself as you could possibly do.
You can use Undo and: Get resources back, change location
Or use just about any other ultimate and: Get resources back and get the /actual/ effects of an ultimate, usually high damage
Can't see any scenario at all where the first of those options is the preferable one for a DK.
Sure, it's not an overpowered ulti for any other class as well, but that's beside the point, no other class get any actual /drawbacks/ for using this ulti, whereas the DK gets the mass majority of their class sustain/regen negated by using this.
That's what I mean by bad design.
Savos_Saren wrote: »Battle Roar should still apply to Undo AFTER using it. What if your resources were lower 4 seconds ago? Then it would be useful.
exeeter702 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »When I first read about undo I thought about the Battle Roar passive. Will you have the amount of resources you had 4 seconds ago, or will you gain the resources from using the ultimate? I guess I know the answer. While I understand why it works this way, ZOS and their consistency (sarcasm) with things amazes me
Well, as Merlin said earlier it is pretty consistent. It gives you the resource from battle roar but then it's effect kicks in and your resources are reset to what they were 4 seconds ago. Way before you've used an ultimate to get resources.
And also @Feanor
Battle Roar is a large part of DK sustain/regen. For mDKs, it's even the literally /only/ source of class sustain, at least until we now get the very small sustain from combustion.
I'd say using any form of ultimate that essentially negates your Battleroar is about as much gimping yourself as you could possibly do.
You can use Undo and: Get resources back, change location
Or use just about any other ultimate and: Get resources back and get the /actual/ effects of an ultimate, usually high damage
Can't see any scenario at all where the first of those options is the preferable one for a DK.
Sure, it's not an overpowered ulti for any other class as well, but that's beside the point, no other class get any actual /drawbacks/ for using this ulti, whereas the DK gets the mass majority of their class sustain/regen negated by using this.
That's what I mean by bad design.
Amd there is nothing wrong with that. The ultimate, belonging to a universally availble skill line not being particularly ideal for 1 of the 5 classes is not poor design. Not everything needs to be designed with unquestionable viability for every class.
I suppose there is an argument that can be made for ultimates being the exception to that rule, but realistically what would you do? Even halving the effect of battle roar when activated by undo would be grossly overtuned. The big point here is helps more builds than it hurts DKs in specific scenarios. Its ok to not have an immediate realistic need for a single ultimate in the game.
Savos_Saren wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »When I first read about undo I thought about the Battle Roar passive. Will you have the amount of resources you had 4 seconds ago, or will you gain the resources from using the ultimate? I guess I know the answer. While I understand why it works this way, ZOS and their consistency (sarcasm) with things amazes me
Well, as Merlin said earlier it is pretty consistent. It gives you the resource from battle roar but then it's effect kicks in and your resources are reset to what they were 4 seconds ago. Way before you've used an ultimate to get resources.
And also @Feanor
Battle Roar is a large part of DK sustain/regen. For mDKs, it's even the literally /only/ source of class sustain, at least until we now get the very small sustain from combustion.
I'd say using any form of ultimate that essentially negates your Battleroar is about as much gimping yourself as you could possibly do.
You can use Undo and: Get resources back, change location
Or use just about any other ultimate and: Get resources back and get the /actual/ effects of an ultimate, usually high damage
Can't see any scenario at all where the first of those options is the preferable one for a DK.
Sure, it's not an overpowered ulti for any other class as well, but that's beside the point, no other class get any actual /drawbacks/ for using this ulti, whereas the DK gets the mass majority of their class sustain/regen negated by using this.
That's what I mean by bad design.
Amd there is nothing wrong with that. The ultimate, belonging to a universally availble skill line not being particularly ideal for 1 of the 5 classes is not poor design. Not everything needs to be designed with unquestionable viability for every class.
I suppose there is an argument that can be made for ultimates being the exception to that rule, but realistically what would you do? Even halving the effect of battle roar when activated by undo would be grossly overtuned. The big point here is helps more builds than it hurts DKs in specific scenarios. Its ok to not have an immediate realistic need for a single ultimate in the game.
So, if a DK’s passive doesn’t apply to this Ultimate- it’s fine?
I guarantee you that Sorcs would be flipping out if their passive, Power Stone, didn’t make Undo 15% cheaper...
Savos_Saren wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »When I first read about undo I thought about the Battle Roar passive. Will you have the amount of resources you had 4 seconds ago, or will you gain the resources from using the ultimate? I guess I know the answer. While I understand why it works this way, ZOS and their consistency (sarcasm) with things amazes me
Well, as Merlin said earlier it is pretty consistent. It gives you the resource from battle roar but then it's effect kicks in and your resources are reset to what they were 4 seconds ago. Way before you've used an ultimate to get resources.
And also @Feanor
Battle Roar is a large part of DK sustain/regen. For mDKs, it's even the literally /only/ source of class sustain, at least until we now get the very small sustain from combustion.
I'd say using any form of ultimate that essentially negates your Battleroar is about as much gimping yourself as you could possibly do.
You can use Undo and: Get resources back, change location
Or use just about any other ultimate and: Get resources back and get the /actual/ effects of an ultimate, usually high damage
Can't see any scenario at all where the first of those options is the preferable one for a DK.
Sure, it's not an overpowered ulti for any other class as well, but that's beside the point, no other class get any actual /drawbacks/ for using this ulti, whereas the DK gets the mass majority of their class sustain/regen negated by using this.
That's what I mean by bad design.
Amd there is nothing wrong with that. The ultimate, belonging to a universally availble skill line not being particularly ideal for 1 of the 5 classes is not poor design. Not everything needs to be designed with unquestionable viability for every class.
I suppose there is an argument that can be made for ultimates being the exception to that rule, but realistically what would you do? Even halving the effect of battle roar when activated by undo would be grossly overtuned. The big point here is helps more builds than it hurts DKs in specific scenarios. Its ok to not have an immediate realistic need for a single ultimate in the game.
So, if a DK’s passive doesn’t apply to this Ultimate- it’s fine?
I guarantee you that Sorcs would be flipping out if their passive, Power Stone, didn’t make Undo 15% cheaper...
You are missing the point. Undo will what its supposed to regardless. Your comparison makes no sense especially on the grounds that power stone and roar are in no way comparable.Savos_Saren wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »When I first read about undo I thought about the Battle Roar passive. Will you have the amount of resources you had 4 seconds ago, or will you gain the resources from using the ultimate? I guess I know the answer. While I understand why it works this way, ZOS and their consistency (sarcasm) with things amazes me
Well, as Merlin said earlier it is pretty consistent. It gives you the resource from battle roar but then it's effect kicks in and your resources are reset to what they were 4 seconds ago. Way before you've used an ultimate to get resources.
And also @Feanor
Battle Roar is a large part of DK sustain/regen. For mDKs, it's even the literally /only/ source of class sustain, at least until we now get the very small sustain from combustion.
I'd say using any form of ultimate that essentially negates your Battleroar is about as much gimping yourself as you could possibly do.
You can use Undo and: Get resources back, change location
Or use just about any other ultimate and: Get resources back and get the /actual/ effects of an ultimate, usually high damage
Can't see any scenario at all where the first of those options is the preferable one for a DK.
Sure, it's not an overpowered ulti for any other class as well, but that's beside the point, no other class get any actual /drawbacks/ for using this ulti, whereas the DK gets the mass majority of their class sustain/regen negated by using this.
That's what I mean by bad design.
Amd there is nothing wrong with that. The ultimate, belonging to a universally availble skill line not being particularly ideal for 1 of the 5 classes is not poor design. Not everything needs to be designed with unquestionable viability for every class.
I suppose there is an argument that can be made for ultimates being the exception to that rule, but realistically what would you do? Even halving the effect of battle roar when activated by undo would be grossly overtuned. The big point here is helps more builds than it hurts DKs in specific scenarios. Its ok to not have an immediate realistic need for a single ultimate in the game.
So, if a DK’s passive doesn’t apply to this Ultimate- it’s fine?
I guarantee you that Sorcs would be flipping out if their passive, Power Stone, didn’t make Undo 15% cheaper...
undo is only really for backing out of a gank death tbh, i dont see any other useful thing for it besides power monster pulls and even then i'm sure slotting resto ulti would be more efficient since thats 6 seconds and cheaper
What a surprise. DKs get overlooked again.
Thankfully this ult would be useless even with battle roar. I moved and got some resources back, wow.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I can't believe that people think this is fine. This ultimate is completely useless for all Dk builds if it doesn't proc Battle Roar.