Ok, we accept that there will be no balance changes, but at least fix the new sets

Subversus

"ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As mentioned earlier this morning, the current priority is making sure the new item sets are balanced

Sload is beyond broken on the pts.

@ZOS_GinaBruno please, at least stay true to your word and fix sload. That set is absolutely not balanced whatsoever, oblivion damage shouldn’t be in the game to begin with.

Qbiken

In what context is it broken? (I´ll assume PvP)

I´ve been duelling a few people using this set. Everything from proc-blades to heavy bleed-builds with 2x DoT-poisons where Sload´s is a part of their build. In 1v1 I don´t see the set as "broken OP".

However, what concerns me is if multiple "Sload-procs" can stack. This is something I haven´t got a chance to test yet. If it does, that needs to be changed so you get some sort of "immunity" so only one Sload DoT can be active at a time.

I´m not defending the set, but I don´t see it as a huge problem as many wants it to be

reprosal

Stam players just upset now it seems that magicka has a proc set like viper used to be.

Subversus

reprosal wrote: »

Stam players just upset now it seems that magicka has a proc set like viper used to be.

@reprosal

1: I’ve exclusively played magblade/magsorc for the past 6-7 months
2: mag already has the best proc sets in game prior to this patch
3: Do you seriously believe oblivion proc sets should be a part of the game? Lmfao

reprosal

Why shouldn’t they be? Honesty. Would like to know a valid reason other than PvP ‘balance’

Minalan

There are too many nightblades in the game right now, this set is ZOS’s solution to that problem!



In all seriousness, I don’t think you can ‘fix’ this set without deleting it (which they probably should). By definition, oblivion damage is unavoidable in every possible way. If you let cloak suppress that, it’s avoiding the damage.

If they really want this to work, cut the ticks down to two or three. So a nightblade can still get away eventually, it’s currently a death sentence.

Knowing ZOS, they added this set so that new players can win fights against experienced murderblades in Cyrodiil. And it going to work perfectly.

DarkAedin

reprosal wrote: »

Why shouldn’t they be? Honesty. Would like to know a valid reason other than PvP ‘balance’

This makes no sense. We have enough sources of dmg, and oblivion dmg is uber rare for a reason: pvp.
U dont need oblivion dmg in pve, its redundant, there arent any mobs that perma block or stack shields. And this is what oblivion dmg is for.

I love the crowd of "pvp ruins pve" u guys think incorrectly, period. This game's pve is so unballanced that even players prior to max cp are trouncing pve content.
and the opposite of what u think is true;
pve ruins pvp. U remember all those block cost changes? That wasnt bc of pvp, it was bc pve tanks were trivializing this concept and were perma blocking in pve w/o any issues, dps was able to stand in stupid and perma block cast.

Ragnaroek93

1000 Shieldbreaker + infused oblivion glyph + Sload + Snipe (for defile) zerglings inc

Apherius

NB will finally understand what sorc mean by " There is no counter to Shield breaker ", if we use our shield we die ... if we don't use them we die ... the only way to survive is to kill the opponent... and if we can't, we die.

Strider__Roshin

reprosal wrote: »

Stam players just upset now it seems that magicka has a proc set like viper used to be.

Magicka has been having the better proc sets, but it's only the stamina ones that get nerfed. Also Sload's is equally useable by both magicka and stam.

Maulkin

Apherius wrote: »

NB will finally understand what sorc mean by " There is no counter to Shield breaker ", if we use our shield we die ... if we don't use them we die ... the only way to survive is to kill the opponent... and if we can't, we die.

Oh they understood. But when it's not you getting f***d, then it's no problem.

Looking forward to fighting those Stamblades on my Sload/Bone Pirate/Masteraxes StamSorc. It's gonna be fun.

Strider__Roshin

Apherius wrote: »

NB will finally understand what sorc mean by " There is no counter to Shield breaker ", if we use our shield we die ... if we don't use them we die ... the only way to survive is to kill the opponent... and if we can't, we die.

I have a sorc and a Nightblade. My magSorc doesn't have any issues with shield breaker, and my Nightblade welcomes Sload's Semblance

Feanor

Daus wrote: »

reprosal wrote: »

Stam players just upset now it seems that magicka has a proc set like viper used to be.

Magicka has been having the better proc sets, but it's only the stamina ones that get nerfed. Also Sload's is equally useable by both magicka and stam.

Magicka has essentially 3 proc sets now - Skoria, Zaan, and Caluurion. Skoria and Zaan are used by Stam users also for lols. The stam proc sets were so much better for such a long time, it was essentially Skoria for years.

ezio45

reprosal wrote: »

Why shouldn’t they be? Honesty. Would like to know a valid reason other than PvP ‘balance’

its a useless set outside of pvp

ezio45

this set is just bad lol yup shield breaker and sload everything dies

ToRelax

reprosal wrote: »

Why shouldn’t they be? Honesty. Would like to know a valid reason other than PvP ‘balance’

That's the reason. Incidentally it's also the reason for any player accessible oblivion damage in the first place; and a poor one at that.

Jeezye

I didn't realize this set essentially hardcounters nightblade that abuse their cloak spamm. Magblade main here, I'm welcoming this change since I think cloak is pretty OP of a skill and its playstyle is really lame. I neither slot this on my mag nor stamblade.

It is strong in that manner though

Feanor

I’m actually really curious how this will play out. In the case the complaints especially from NBs reach the forums I’ll make sure to reference all the Shieldbreaker L2P posts.

Strider__Roshin

Feanor wrote: »

I’m actually really curious how this will play out. In the case the complaints especially from NBs reach the forums I’ll make sure to reference all the Shieldbreaker L2P posts.

My stamblade welcomes Sload's Semblance, and my magSorc says sorcs complaining about either Sloads' or SB is a L2P issue.

Subversus

reprosal wrote: »

Why shouldn’t they be? Honesty. Would like to know a valid reason other than PvP ‘balance’

Because oblivion damage is already known as the “pvp damage”, hence why the main concern lies within pvp balancing. This set is useless in pve. Like absolute trash tier, but has a godly 4p for pvp and oblivion damage.

It’s clearly designed as a crutch for new players to feel like they can actually do any damage, but that’s what brought the procpocalypse in morrowind to begin with. I guess we’re just going back in time...

Subversus

Minalan wrote: »

There are too many nightblades in the game right now, this set is ZOS’s solution to that problem!



In all seriousness, I don’t think you can ‘fix’ this set without deleting it (which they probably should). By definition, oblivion damage is unavoidable in every possible way. If you let cloak suppress that, it’s avoiding the damage.

If they really want this to work, cut the ticks down to two or three. So a nightblade can still get away eventually, it’s currently a death sentence.

Knowing ZOS, they added this set so that new players can win fights against experienced murderblades in Cyrodiil. And it going to work perfectly.

Thing is I’m actually more afraid of what it’ll do to my sorc than to my magblade. My magblade has hots, a *** ton of them at that. With the proc build I will run next patch (because fucc being honorable anymore, idgaf) I will have even more hots, because funnily enough they also help me sustain.

Sorc, on the other hand, will get absolutely smacked by sload (and shield breaker combos, but even sload alone is disgusting), and that’s what I’m most afraid of.

KingJ

How you expect them to fix a set when they can't even fix there own game. Also I don't accept that there will be no more balancing changes they need to do there damn jobs.

Minalan

Subversus wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

There are too many nightblades in the game right now, this set is ZOS’s solution to that problem!



In all seriousness, I don’t think you can ‘fix’ this set without deleting it (which they probably should). By definition, oblivion damage is unavoidable in every possible way. If you let cloak suppress that, it’s avoiding the damage.

If they really want this to work, cut the ticks down to two or three. So a nightblade can still get away eventually, it’s currently a death sentence.

Knowing ZOS, they added this set so that new players can win fights against experienced murderblades in Cyrodiil. And it going to work perfectly.

Thing is I’m actually more afraid of what it’ll do to my sorc than to my magblade. My magblade has hots, a *** ton of them at that. With the proc build I will run next patch (because fucc being honorable anymore, idgaf) I will have even more hots, because funnily enough they also help me sustain.

Sorc, on the other hand, will get absolutely smacked by sload (and shield breaker combos, but even sload alone is disgusting), and that’s what I’m most afraid of.

Your magblade will lose cloak, healing or not that is your ONLY real defense against the ridiculous amounts of incoming damage you have to deal with.

It’s not the sloads that kills you, it’s the stam guy who can SEE you now for six full seconds, and leap on top of you, spamming reverse slice and heavy cancelled attacks.

Your Sorc can deal with 6K unavoidable damage if your shields stay up. Healing ward, two or three surge ticks with blood magic, or even mutagen washes it off.

Magblades are going to have to slot mist form or dampen Magicka just to survive. Stamblades are going to have to dodge roll and run like the wind.

Subversus

Minalan wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

There are too many nightblades in the game right now, this set is ZOS’s solution to that problem!



In all seriousness, I don’t think you can ‘fix’ this set without deleting it (which they probably should). By definition, oblivion damage is unavoidable in every possible way. If you let cloak suppress that, it’s avoiding the damage.

If they really want this to work, cut the ticks down to two or three. So a nightblade can still get away eventually, it’s currently a death sentence.

Knowing ZOS, they added this set so that new players can win fights against experienced murderblades in Cyrodiil. And it going to work perfectly.

Thing is I’m actually more afraid of what it’ll do to my sorc than to my magblade. My magblade has hots, a *** ton of them at that. With the proc build I will run next patch (because fucc being honorable anymore, idgaf) I will have even more hots, because funnily enough they also help me sustain.

Sorc, on the other hand, will get absolutely smacked by sload (and shield breaker combos, but even sload alone is disgusting), and that’s what I’m most afraid of.

Your magblade will lose cloak, healing or not that is your ONLY real defense against the ridiculous amounts of incoming damage you have to deal with.

It’s not the sloads that kills you, it’s the stam guy who can SEE you now for six full seconds, and leap on top of you, spamming reverse slice and heavy cancelled attacks.

Your Sorc can deal with 6K unavoidable damage if your shields stay up. Healing ward, two or three surge ticks with blood magic, or even mutagen washes it off.

Magblades are going to have to slot mist form or dampen Magicka just to survive. Stamblades are going to have to dodge roll and run like the wind.

I already stopped using cloak/shade a long while ago on magblade, so as I said this won’t really affect me. I mostly play heavy with mist form, magdk style nowadays in cyro on magblade, mostly because I’m too lazy to transfer sets around and I find heavy to be a far better setup for the current meta, at least in CP. So yeah, this really won’t affect my playstyle personally, especially since I can pull over 4k hps.

I can see how it can affect shield stack magblade that relies on cloak though.

NyassaV

Honestly I can't even get behind the current balance changes. Mag Warden got shafted and the bloodmage play style is less viable in PvP now

Rohamad_Ali

So we've already reached bargaining on the grief scale ? I wanted to be in denial at least another day . Ok then , please finish something .

Subversus

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

So we've already reached bargaining on the grief scale ? I wanted to be in denial at least another day . Ok then , please finish something .

haHAA

No but really this is the sad reality

GreenSoup2HoT

forces my medium stamblade into 100 gank mode.

Subversus

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

forces my medium stamblade into 100 gank mode.

To be fair, all stamblades will go with that playstyle.

Magblades can just reroll to sorc

Lucky28

reprosal wrote: »

Stam players just upset now it seems that magicka has a proc set like viper used to be.

i'm a magicka player and am upset about these proc sets. we got out of one proc meta and into another. the ***? you'd think the first proc meta would be enough for the devs to say "not doing that again" but no, here we are again.

Murador178

Daus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I’m actually really curious how this will play out. In the case the complaints especially from NBs reach the forums I’ll make sure to reference all the Shieldbreaker L2P posts.

My stamblade welcomes Sload's Semblance, and my magSorc says sorcs complaining about either Sloads' or SB is a L2P issue.

Not so sure if u still welcome it when u hit the first time a smallscale group/pug zerg proccing multiple with major defile on u.

Best duel build except pet sorc, will be duroks, sloads, minor defile poison heavy armor mNB(prob skoria as monster set) with max befoul CP. U cant outheal sloads with mutagen/healward/surge together. With the defile stack u would need like 6-7 twillights heals to heal full hp . This set is mainly here to buff Xv1 imo.