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All light and heavy attacks need to be dodgeable
Strider__Roshin
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With the addition of Imbue weapons, medium armor builds aren't going to stand a chance in PvP if someone is using a resto or a lightning staff. For the sake of balance all light and heavy attacks need to be dodgeable. There's enough hard counters to dodge rolling in this game as it is.
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All light attacks are dodgeable...
Imbue weapons doesn't effect heavy attacks.
So there isn't an issue here.12 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.PS4 NA DC0 -
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The heavy attacks are not dodgeable
I'm not entirely sure how a "medium" resto/lightning attack would be though.
It's registered as a light attack, but may be undodgeable like a heavy. Something to test0 -
Ankael07✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.If you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
The heavy attacks are not dodgeable
I'm not entirely sure how a "medium" resto/lightning attack would be though.
It's registered as a light attack, but may be undodgeable like a heavy. Something to test
I think I remember hearing one of the PTS streamers mentioning that Medium attacks do not consume the imbued weapons buff. So if a lightning or restro staff locks onto a player, the imbue damage should not proc.2 -
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✭Resto/light medium and heavy are channel and I can confirm that none proc imbued. Only light can, and all staff LA including resto/light one are single target projectile that can be dodged.2 -
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They are supposed to be but they aren'tFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.
It is single target with splash damage. Similar to Soul Trap and that one got fixed to not break cloak with its single target dmg component.0 -
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.
The single target channel is breaking cloak also though. Zergs are starting to use lightning heavy attack spammers to kill off all the zerg surfing nightblades.
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NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.
The single target channel is breaking cloak also though. Zergs are starting to use lightning heavy attack spammers to kill off all the zerg surfing nightblades.
It's and exploit and can be reportedFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.
The single target channel is breaking cloak also though. Zergs are starting to use lightning heavy attack spammers to kill off all the zerg surfing nightblades.
It's and exploit and can be reported
heavy attacking someone with a lightning staff is hardly reportable. anyone purposely cheeseing nightblades this way may cause a lot of grief but i dont think zenimax will take action on it. sheer venom used to pull nightblades out of cloak and it never caused any bans far as im aware.
all thats important is getting the issue to zos and seeing it hopefully fixed this pts rotation.PS4 NA DC2 -
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✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.
The single target channel is breaking cloak also though. Zergs are starting to use lightning heavy attack spammers to kill off all the zerg surfing nightblades.
It's and exploit and can be reported
Its not an exploit its a damage over time which should break clock.2 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.
The single target channel is breaking cloak also though. Zergs are starting to use lightning heavy attack spammers to kill off all the zerg surfing nightblades.
It's and exploit and can be reported
Its not an exploit its a damage over time which should break clock.
It's a bug, not supposed to bring people out of stealth since cloak breaks LoS and it's a channeled ability, therefore it is a bug and an exploitFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info1 -
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✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.
The single target channel is breaking cloak also though. Zergs are starting to use lightning heavy attack spammers to kill off all the zerg surfing nightblades.
It's and exploit and can be reported
Its not an exploit its a damage over time which should break clock.
It's a bug, not supposed to bring people out of stealth since cloak breaks LoS and it's a channeled ability, therefore it is a bug and an exploit
I guess with that logic all the nightblades cheesing disguise to crit all their heals should be banned as well? No where on any of those skills does it say anything about purging dots or making inbound attacks completely miss either. Cloak should be treated like keep doors... you have to not be hit for several seconds to be able to go in to cloak... but once you are in cloak it should be very difficult to bring you out.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
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NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭usmguy1234 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »Lightning heavy attacks breaking cloak shouldnt happen though. Please fix.
If youre talking about the splash damage I dont get the issue here. Cloak only offers single-target projectile and dot immunity whilst lightning HA is AOE.
The single target channel is breaking cloak also though. Zergs are starting to use lightning heavy attack spammers to kill off all the zerg surfing nightblades.
It's and exploit and can be reported
Its not an exploit its a damage over time which should break clock.
It's a bug, not supposed to bring people out of stealth since cloak breaks LoS and it's a channeled ability, therefore it is a bug and an exploit
I guess with that logic all the nightblades cheesing disguise to crit all their heals should be banned as well? No where on any of those skills does it say anything about purging dots or making inbound attacks completely miss either. Cloak should be treated like keep doors... you have to not be hit for several seconds to be able to go in to cloak... but once you are in cloak it should be very difficult to bring you out.
But that's not how it works. Cloak works like any LoS. If I shoot my merciless and it goes off but doesn't actually fire cuz someone LoS'ed then I loose it. Same thing should go with heavy attacks as that is how they work. It requires a LoS for it to function as is how most skills work. Dodge is not an LoS therefore you should be able to hit people with both resto and Lightining heavy attacks even if they are dodging. All the direct counters to dodge are gone. Soul Harvest is dodgable, power lash is dodgable, embers is dodgable, ect ect. So having a heavy attack hit someone through roll is a good counter because heavy attacks don't do a TON of damage but if someone is at 1% health it will finish them rather than just let them roll spam all the way back to a keepEdited by NyassaV on May 2, 2018 6:31PMFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0