Stam NB bleed build?

Zeromaz

I have Master axes on my NB and i was wondering if anyone had a solid bleed build setup suggestions. I’m having problems fitting all of my skills i want to use. I also have the Master battleaxe and Asylum battleaxe. What gear and skills could i use for stamina NB pvp with bleeds

Vapirko

Master axes, nirnhoned main hand, Infused/sharp off hand or charged if you really wanna proc that bleed and run rending slashes. You can run a 2H axe backbar but idk if the 2H axe bleed stacks with the dw bleed. I’d proably choose the master bow backhand for the obvious damage boost and also poison injection dot. Even jsut with rending slashes, axe bleed, and poison injection you have three really strong dots.

Zeromaz

True. Good point on the bow. I will be missing major brutality though. The DW and 2H bleeds do stack and i was under the impression that Charged trait won’t increase chance on bleeds, as they are not a status effect.

Vapirko

Zeromaz wrote: »

True. Good point on the bow. I will be missing major brutality though. The DW and 2H bleeds do stack and i was under the impression that Charged trait won’t increase chance on bleeds, as they are not a status effect.

Charged will increase the chance of the axe bleed from the twin blade and blunt I think. Major brutality is sort of an issue with this setup. You’d be limited to pots or somehow using shrouded daggers, as the NB major brutality skill kinda sucks. Drop the bow then and go 2H backbar, rally never hurts for the heal. Once summer set hits you can really experiment with 2h wpns. Sloads semblance is of much interest if it doesn’t get nerfed.

Zeromaz

While the bow would be nice... what about infused Master 2H backbar with weapon damage glyph and Carve bleed to proc it. DW nirn and sharpened Master axes with poisons? I hate to use poisons on a DW bar though since i’m replacing 2x enchants instead of just 1.

Might be better off going nirn/infused with oblivion dmg enchant and disease

MisterBastahrd

Zeromaz wrote: »

I have Master axes on my NB and i was wondering if anyone had a solid bleed build setup suggestions. I’m having problems fitting all of my skills i want to use. I also have the Master battleaxe and Asylum battleaxe. What gear and skills could i use for stamina NB pvp with bleeds

Dual master axes, nirnhoned and infused, specifically from the Stinging Slashes set, which gives increased bleed damage, along with the Blooddrinker set Rending slashes all the things. Pair with what ya want.

OdinForge

Master DW front
Agility or endurance
Defensive medium armor set on body
Master bow or master 2h axe back
Troll king
Cat or orc

Is what I'd try first for solo PvP.

You'd get brutality either from pots, from flying blade, power extraction or from rally. Should meet up with me in-game so I can test master dw, I still don't have a set.

Koensol

Vapirko wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

True. Good point on the bow. I will be missing major brutality though. The DW and 2H bleeds do stack and i was under the impression that Charged trait won’t increase chance on bleeds, as they are not a status effect.

Charged will increase the chance of the axe bleed from the twin blade and blunt I think. Major brutality is sort of an issue with this setup. You’d be limited to pots or somehow using shrouded daggers, as the NB major brutality skill kinda sucks. Drop the bow then and go 2H backbar, rally never hurts for the heal. Once summer set hits you can really experiment with 2h wpns. Sloads semblance is of much interest if it doesn’t get nerfed.

As far as I know... No it doesn't. Bleed isn't a status effect.

RajinPVP

Zeromaz wrote: »

While the bow would be nice... what about infused Master 2H backbar with weapon damage glyph and Carve bleed to proc it. DW nirn and sharpened Master axes with poisons? I hate to use poisons on a DW bar though since i’m replacing 2x enchants instead of just 1.

Might be better off going nirn/infused with oblivion dmg enchant and disease

Charged trait is for status chance on weapon enchantments and sadly wont work on passives. Anyways.. I kinda agree with you... heavy build with master dw+2h axe weapons. It works pretty well on duels and open world pvp. 5-1-1 5x hundings, 1x kena, 1x domi, 3x agility ,2h infused with weapon damage enchant, dw with nirn main and sharp on offhand with double damage poison. But as you might noticed this have shity stam regenen but its manageable with heavy attack rotations..

Zeromaz

OdinForge wrote: »

Master DW front
Agility or endurance
Defensive medium armor set on body
Master bow or master 2h axe back
Troll king
Cat or orc

Is what I'd try first for solo PvP.

You'd get brutality either from pots, from flying blade, power extraction or from rally. Should meet up with me in-game so I can test master dw, I still don't have a set.

Yeah we can do that. Add @Zeromaz

Zeromaz

I think i’ll try out DW/Bow. I’ve ran that setup more than any other so i’m comfortable with it.

Nirn mainhand w/ either disease or oblivion enchant, infused offhand with crusher enchant.

Master’s infused bow with weapon damage enchant.

I think i’ll use the DW twin slashes bleed as a suppliment instead of trying to focus on building around bleeds only. While i won’t have a Major Brutality, i can focus on high stam vs going high weapon damage which will make Major Brutality less valuable than on a high weapon damage setup.

Has there been any changes made to Draining Shot in the past 8 months? Before I quit, i loved using this ability. Its so annoying and very good against stam NBs (which seems to be trending since i’ve returned)

Exodium

Following on from these comments, is master dw only worth running if at least one of the weps is an axe? I've got two master daggers and really don't want to do the vdsa grind, but if golding out two master daggers is pointless, then I might have to.

OdinForge

Zeromaz wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Master DW front
Agility or endurance
Defensive medium armor set on body
Master bow or master 2h axe back
Troll king
Cat or orc

Is what I'd try first for solo PvP.

You'd get brutality either from pots, from flying blade, power extraction or from rally. Should meet up with me in-game so I can test master dw, I still don't have a set.

Yeah we can do that. Add @Zeromaz

You're already on my friend list, just look for me when I'm online lol

Zeromaz

Exodium wrote: »

Following on from these comments, is master dw only worth running if at least one of the weps is an axe? I've got two master daggers and really don't want to do the vdsa grind, but if golding out two master daggers is pointless, then I might have to.

No, not at all. Axes just give you an addition passive bleed that isn’t affected by the DW Master’s buff

Zeromaz

OdinForge wrote: »

You're already on my friend list, just look for me when I'm online lol

Oh dang. Sorry bud, i didn’t look at the name. Hope you’ve been well and i’ll see you in-game soon.

Exodium

Zeromaz wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Following on from these comments, is master dw only worth running if at least one of the weps is an axe? I've got two master daggers and really don't want to do the vdsa grind, but if golding out two master daggers is pointless, then I might have to.

No, not at all. Axes just give you an addition passive bleed that isn’t affected by the DW Master’s buff

Oh really?? I thought the master dw buff increase damage of all bleeds placed. So how much extra damage does an extra stack of bleed do from having a 1h axe as opposed to dagger/dagger?

I'll use 2h axe backbar regardless

Zeromaz

DW Masters increases the Twin Slashes bleed and it’s morphs by 1500 per tick. The axe passive bleed you’ll see under DW passives. Its called Twin Blade and Blunt. My tooltip typically sits around 10-11k bleed and i want to say its duration is either 6 or 8 seconds

Lexxypwns

2h+DW

1 masters Axe 1 masters dagger - the improved proc chance on the tbab bleed is less valuable than the crit from dagger since it then becomes more likely you waste ticks by refreshing your bleed too early. Main hand nirn, off hand infused - berserker+Shock glyph. Your CP layout won’t increase the damage on the shock glyph, but proc’ing the concussed status effect will increase your damage 8%
5 shacklebreaker - bit of damage, bit of stam sustain, all the magika you need for cloak
2x Bloodspawn - sustain, defense, more ultis
3x agility - lots more damage and some hidden sustain by means of increasing your max pool significantly
2h Axe of choice - Asylum if you use 2h execute, random infused, maelstrom, whatever, Double DoT poison

Apply your DoTs, weave spammable, burst.

Don’t stack anything into penetration as bleeds ignore armor, this means you want to stack into weapon damage/stam, DoT/Direct damage(incap and surprise attack are still your big hitters), and crit chance/damage on a bleed build.

% based modifiers such as Exploiter are phenomenal here as well.

Outside of changing Shackle and Bloodspawn for more aggressive options this is pretty much min/maxed for a bleed build that is also not a one trick pony. You could run blood drinker for example but you lose incap and surprise attack damage as well as weave damage plus all your magika sustain

CyrusArya

Lexxypwns wrote: »

2h+DW

1 masters Axe 1 masters dagger - the improved proc chance on the tbab bleed is less valuable than the crit from dagger since it then becomes more likely you waste ticks by refreshing your bleed too early. Main hand nirn, off hand infused - berserker+Shock glyph. Your CP layout won’t increase the damage on the shock glyph, but proc’ing the concussed status effect will increase your damage 8%
5 shacklebreaker - bit of damage, bit of stam sustain, all the magika you need for cloak
2x Bloodspawn - sustain, defense, more ultis
3x agility - lots more damage and some hidden sustain by means of increasing your max pool significantly
2h Axe of choice - Asylum if you use 2h execute, random infused, maelstrom, whatever, Double DoT poison

Apply your DoTs, weave spammable, burst.

Don’t stack anything into penetration as bleeds ignore armor, this means you want to stack into weapon damage/stam, DoT/Direct damage(incap and surprise attack are still your big hitters), and crit chance/damage on a bleed build.

% based modifiers such as Exploiter are phenomenal here as well.

Outside of changing Shackle and Bloodspawn for more aggressive options this is pretty much min/maxed for a bleed build that is also not a one trick pony. You could run blood drinker for example but you lose incap and surprise attack damage as well as weave damage plus all your magika sustain

This is all very solid advice, the one thing I would chime in with tho is that on a heavy stamblade you really don’t need to build sustain at all. I duel and 1vX in the same build and it outperforms pretty much every other class I play in both aspects. Between heavy, nb passives, leeching, and relentless you’re more than covered. The aggressive options are the way to go.

Zeromaz

Thats some pretty good advice @Lexxypwns

I’m curious why you said no pen though if i’m still using surprise attack, incap, and executioner?

Today i messed around with Bone Pirate, Hulking Draugr, Master Axes, Asylum Greataxe and it felt good. The only issue i noticed was too much stamina. I could run out of magicka but never stamina.

I’ll look into Shackle once I get off work.

My abilities I had were Quick Cloak, Twin Slashes, Shadowy Disguise, Surprise Attack, Vigor, Flawless Dawnbreaker

Shuffle, Relentless Focus, Shadow Image, Executioner, Rally, Incap.

Is there any reason to swap any of these out? It all felt decent but I must mention, I haven’t played in 7 months so I could be a little rusty!

Zeromaz

@CyrusArya

I appreciate the advice but i don’t like using heavy armor and probably won’t attempt using it again. Medium is superior!!

Lexxypwns

Zeromaz wrote: »

Thats some pretty good advice @Lexxypwns

I’m curious why you said no pen though if i’m still using surprise attack, incap, and executioner?

Today i messed around with Bone Pirate, Hulking Draugr, Master Axes, Asylum Greataxe and it felt good. The only issue i noticed was too much stamina. I could run out of magicka but never stamina.

I’ll look into Shackle once I get off work.

My abilities I had were Quick Cloak, Twin Slashes, Shadowy Disguise, Surprise Attack, Vigor, Flawless Dawnbreaker

Shuffle, Relentless Focus, Shadow Image, Executioner, Rally, Incap.

Is there any reason to swap any of these out? It all felt decent but I must mention, I haven’t played in 7 months so I could be a little rusty!

Well, if you’re running a bleed spec with 2h Axe, tbab bleed, and rending then about half your damage ignores penetration. This means only your burst benefits from the penetration. While that burst is important it’s more efficient to get your damage from the other sources that affect both your bleeds and your burst

Zeromaz

I see your point. I’ll try it out and see how it goes.