When did u like ESO the most? [question for veterans]

f047ys3v3n

Launch - 1.5

Content was much better balanced in the pre-soft cap removal and pre-champ point days. Ultimate use being part of fight mechanics and dynamic in recharge rate was also far better. The soft caps allowed for dps's to have what would now be 30k health this allowed healing to be reactive to the situation as well as there was an actual health buffer to work with. Now the fights can be, what was it you said on eso live, fights of attrition? That is garbage design. You are supposed to die when you make a mistake. Not when RNJesus strikes you down with 3 randomly coinciding attacks or a bunch of sequential enemy CC's that paralyze you forever.

Part of things being better balanced was also that cheat engine was not in widespread use then. Another part was that a groups dps was not as wildly dependent on adding up 7 or 8 set and group buffs putting together a cross guild group for a late night vet run is just not worth the bother even if their were enough guilds left to try it. It is just shocking the differences in dps you now see between players who are doing similarly well on mechanics and have functional and rational builds.

If your not looking at the content balance but rather the balance of classes and resources DB and one tamriel were probably best. Ability and class balance was pretty good at that time. One Tamriel also was a great update for grouping and making all content relevant.

From both a class, resource, and content balance standpoint, Morriwind and everything post has been complete garbage. Everyone also hates the full heavy resource garbage that makes combat suck. It is amazing to me that now, a year post Morrowind, this stuff has not improved at all. If anything, it has become worse every update.

Lastly, from the standpoint of casual play and questing, the game has become better every update. Those teams do great work unlike he who shall remain nameless since I have been threatened with the ban hammer for talking about his poor quality work.

Mojomonkeyman

Launch - 1.5

The removal of softcaps also removed a huge layer of skilled gameplay. It was even more diverse back then since pushing the extremes (or procs) wasn't necessarily the best way to go.

Chaos2088

3.0 (Morrowind) - current patch

Some of the combat changes are questionable, but each time we get something/an update. It changes the game for the better, in my opinion.

starkerealm

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Back before ZOS turned its back on the PvP community and you could actually have 100s of players on screen fighting with no lag.

@Yolokin_Swagonborn, I'm not 100% sure, but I think it was the guys using CE to get ahead that screwed that particular pooch for you. Oh, and the goldsellers zipping through walls. Cyrodiil performance took a serious hit when the anti-cheat systems started rolling out.

Juhasow

Getern wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

All the time since PC launch, I didn't play the beta. I've always enjoyed the game equally, and have never had any issues with the changes over the last four years.

Aw @Tandor
Showing up everywhere and posting neutral opinion. I could never understand that, no offence but u are always posting something in that weird way. More like just to be here and write literally anything, than actually posting something constructive.

1. You did even wierder thing since You're thread creator and You're not giving any opinion which sounds like You are the person that have neutral opinion. More like You're here just to see what others think without thinking anything specific by Yourself and just commenting others opinions.
2. There is nothing wierd in liking game similarly since launch which is opinion of the same value as any other ones and if something is wierd here it's the fact that You didnt put that as one of the options to vote on.
3. I also didnt voted because there is no option matching the time period I liked game the most.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Launch - 1.5

starkerealm wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Back before ZOS turned its back on the PvP community and you could actually have 100s of players on screen fighting with no lag.

@Yolokin_Swagonborn, I'm not 100% sure, but I think it was the guys using CE to get ahead that screwed that particular pooch for you. Oh, and the goldsellers zipping through walls. Cyrodiil performance took a serious hit when the anti-cheat systems started rolling out.

Server Side checks could have been a very big part of it but ZOS has never honestly leveled with the PvP community on why our whole experience was essentially destroyed.

Other game companies use Anti-cheat software such as VAC or Punkbuster but for some reason, ZOS refused to ban even blatant cheaters then allowed them to get right back in the game with a new account and a similar name (to save their own notoriety). It was simply disgusting behavior that could have been avoided had ZOS handled it differently.

Ratzkifal

Hard to say. I liked pvp the most when IC was new, but Battlegrounds were a nice addition, so even in only one aspect it's already hard to tell which I liked the most.

MornaBaine

This is a tough question to answer. I liked the game best when there was no cash shop and no gamble boxes. I liked it better when questing was still challenging and hadn't been hopelessly dumbed down. I liked it better when it still required a sub. I was happy about One Tamriel because it suddenly really expanded the game world and the number of people I could play with. Sadly this coincided with a lot of the things I don't like about the game today.

Anysra

3.0 (Morrowind) - current patch

Current. Finally can customize my character as how I want. Without limitations. (Outfit Studio).
I've always had the interest in uniqueness. Now I can do.

I love the way how ESO went through all of this. It was not 'crap' for me though. But it's better and better. Love the way that we can manage to do almost every stuff with new starting friends.

Still hate the Skillbar cap. Could have use more skills there. But well. It's all good for me. And still hate those Crown Crates.

crowfl56

Stovahkiin wrote: »

The time right around Dark Brotherhood holds my best memories I think. Things started going downhill for me once One Tam came around.

IMO, 1 Tam ruined the game. The game needs to go back to people having to earn their way into zones.

Letting any Tom, ***, or Harry into a, what was supposed to be a high level zone, give them the ability to kill any mob and only being level 10 char, is just plain and simple, STUPID.

But as usual the " I want it now" group win. You can't fix STUPID>

ZOS took a wonderful challengening game and made it terrible, WHY????????????

Getern

1.6 - 2.3 (Thieves Guild)

Juhasow wrote: »

Getern wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

All the time since PC launch, I didn't play the beta. I've always enjoyed the game equally, and have never had any issues with the changes over the last four years.

Aw @Tandor
Showing up everywhere and posting neutral opinion. I could never understand that, no offence but u are always posting something in that weird way. More like just to be here and write literally anything, than actually posting something constructive.

1. You did even wierder thing since You're thread creator and You're not giving any opinion which sounds like You are the person that have neutral opinion. More like You're here just to see what others think without thinking anything specific by Yourself and just commenting others opinions.
2. There is nothing wierd in liking game similarly since launch which is opinion of the same value as any other ones and if something is wierd here it's the fact that You didnt put that as one of the options to vote on.
3. I also didnt voted because there is no option matching the time period I liked game the most.

1. I am waiting for better moment, I found some ppl vote intentionally against me for reasons I cant really tell. But specially for you I will pick someting, so you wont be sad no more.
2. Then dont vote, dont comment. Pool was made by me to get "certain" information.
3. Saying that you liked the game all time is not the part of demanded information for me.

Now, about Tandor. Its different story here, whenever I make thread (almost all concerns balance) Tandor come and comments in exacly same way. He doesnt bring anything constructive to the table. Thats kind of pointless IMO.

crowfl56 wrote: »

Stovahkiin wrote: »

The time right around Dark Brotherhood holds my best memories I think. Things started going downhill for me once One Tam came around.

IMO, 1 Tam ruined the game. The game needs to go back to people having to earn their way into zones.

Letting any Tom, ***, or Harry into a, what was supposed to be a high level zone, give them the ability to kill any mob and only being level 10 char, is just plain and simple, STUPID.

But as usual the " I want it now" group win. You can't fix STUPID>

ZOS took a wonderful challengening game and made it terrible, WHY????????????

Becasue it was too difficult for average casual? They literally changed the game, so ppl of "low" skill could do everything and whenever they want. Thats BS, also not rewarding at all. But what can we do?

Zardayne

Launch - 1.5

The beginning..give me back some difficulty in PVE please! Of course I'd like to have the warden upon release as well.

Not only that I think it was like patch 1.6 that crushed hybrid builds which really sucked IMO. Now it's max stam/mag FTW. I hate that.

Mic1007

Hard to judge.

I left soon after launch and only came back with Tamriel Unlimited. Had no income to support a mandatory sub at the time.

I loved the entire time between 1.6 and the launch of Imperial City, and did all the overland quests and a lot of Pledges during that period. Hated the IC days specifically other than IC itself as the patch added useless grinding for mats, and while I enjoyed Orsinium and Thieves Guild, the base game patches were more stale than ever.

I enjoyed the DB patch as Veteran Ranks were finally gone, but not DB itself too much.

Loved the One Tamriel patch, but not the Homestead one, as it complicated crafting. Morrowind had me leave the game for a while. Only came back after Clockwork City.

So, I guess my overall favorite time was the period between 1.6 up until 2.1.4 (IC patch). Not really in your categories.

Valkysas154

Can't believe any one would say 1.5 it almost killed the game on arrival

Hes a flash back of what it was like and remember it was a buy and fee game not a buy to play with a option for free like it is now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3B26h12C4

Zardayne

Launch - 1.5

Valkysas154 wrote: »

Can't believe any one would say 1.5 it almost killed the game on arrival

Hes a flash back of what it was like and remember it was a buy and fee game not a buy to play with a option for free like it is now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3B26h12C4

Listen at 18:12-18:32

This is how a lot of the content is.and then they went and made it all even easier! I can handle bugs upon release and we surely had them but mind numbingly easy..NO!

Truth is I remember when Joe did this vid and even though he had some good points I do feel some of his rage was a bit over the top on some. This game truly had some problems in the beginning so I'm not going to say it was all sunshine and rainbows. Hell I remember running to harvest alchemy stuff and looking at a players head under the ground plucking it before me, etc. I mainly miss the difficulty and hybrid builds.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Launch - 1.5

Valkysas154 wrote: »

Can't believe any one would say 1.5 it almost killed the game on arrival

Hes a flash back of what it was like and remember it was a buy and fee game not a buy to play with a option for free like it is now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3B26h12C4

It was the bugs and developer apathy that hurt 1.5, not the business model. ZOS had millions of people willing to pay them a subscription fee in the days where other games couldnt command that at all.


All they had to do was keep up with the content cycle they promised and address bugs quickly.

They couldn't do either. Things were left broken for months. Day 1 exploits that were reported in beta were launched with the game. None of this was the business model. All of it was poor management.

Zordrage

1.6 - 2.3 (Thieves Guild)

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Valkysas154 wrote: »

Can't believe any one would say 1.5 it almost killed the game on arrival

Hes a flash back of what it was like and remember it was a buy and fee game not a buy to play with a option for free like it is now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3B26h12C4

It was the bugs and developer apathy that hurt 1.5, not the business model. ZOS had millions of people willing to pay them a subscription fee in the days where other games couldnt command that at all.


All they had to do was keep up with the content cycle they promised and address bugs quickly.

They couldn't do either. Things were left broken for months. Day 1 exploits that were reported in beta were launched with the game. None of this was the business model. All of it was poor management.

the sad part is that a good 99% of the MMOs Management is like this

then they wonder why their game failed or barely staying alive lol
i saw SOOOO MANY and i mean MANY mmos Fall because of this SAME thing its not even funny anymore....

What all the devs Fail to understand is this..
After the moment you launch an MMO the NUMBER 1 thing you need to do is:
Bug fixing and adding Content nonstop in a Timely manner
no matter how good your MMO game is if ANY of this 2 is ignored then your MMO will go downhill really fast to a point where its REALLY hard to come back from..
.

Getern

1.6 - 2.3 (Thieves Guild)

Valkysas154 wrote: »

Can't believe any one would say 1.5 it almost killed the game on arrival

Hes a flash back of what it was like and remember it was a buy and fee game not a buy to play with a option for free like it is now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3B26h12C4

To be fair this video is not really valid for me. I mean, I am more of "balance" guy. I dont remember hearing a word about that.

The guy just exposed the bugs. Stuff is annyoing, I get it. But if thats what was killing ur immerion, let it be.

You ppl have to understand, its not typical Elder Scroll game, those who voted for Vanilla Age here, undestand.

Imhotep71

3.0 (Morrowind) - current patch

1T vastly improved my enjoyment of the game. I understand why some wouldnt like it but for me, it is great.

Deyirn

3.0 (Morrowind) - current patch

Morrowind makes the game way more accessible and less of a hassle.

ZioGio

3.0 (Morrowind) - current patch

From my perspective, I'm happy with how the game has progressed since beta. It offers something for everyone.

KRBMMO

Other - Summerset.
ZOS is FINALLY getting to some of the things they promised ages ago. Transmute crystals and jewelery crafting especially are things I am VERY happy about.

Before there were so many broken sets and OP exploits it was ridiculous. The grind for gear due to RNG made me not even want to try to get certain sets. Now at least I can get a gold item and not have it COMPLETELY worthless because it's in some stupid "Prosperous" trait.

Riggsy

When it was subscription only...

boldfacedtype

2.4 (Dark Brotherhood) - 2.7 (One Tamriel)

I mean, I understand 1T, but overland is so easy now you can't even feel good about it, and immersion is basically dead. This is not groundbreaking news but I just rolled a new character and had to manually go to a starter zone instead of running through Vvardenfell for the 2nd time. I haven't been lurking the forums much lately and did not expect that to happen, so pretty disappointing.

But also: for me, it's not Elder Scrolls without DB.

qwyksylver

3.0 (Morrowind) - current patch

If i could i'd select both launch -1.5 and 3.0 to now, during early access and the early times of the game are some of my fondest memories....10min AA runs, naked Hel Ra runs....it was a lot of fun but at the same time the fact that we could do that wasn't the best show of balance. I came back after CwC dropped and have been so pleased with the majority of the changes and the game feels much more developed now. Sure i still have my complaints but overall i'm quite happy with the game atm

Seyser_Koze

Launch - 1.5

I played a couple months after initial release. From August-September 2014 I think it was. I'm just now picking it up again four years later. I thought Cyrodiil was incredible. I was in DF faction and there was a well organized group of people using teamspeak that regularly played PVP every day. Seeing a little bit of teamwork and cooperation turn into game changing victories was so rewarding and fun.

The one glaring thing I remember disliking were the zerg groups that would stand ontop of each other and spam that one aoe destro ability all at once - it made me quit and kept me away for four years. Besides that, I had a great time.

Caligamy_ESO

1.6 - 2.3 (Thieves Guild)

One Tamriel destroyed a lot for me, while it had some interesting improvements to armor sets all over the game the removal of game difficulty, with the feeling off levels being pointless, and not really have any areas to look forward to unlocking just kind of made the game monotonous for me. From level 1 to 50 now is just kind of pointless and makes you feel like you're leveling down in strength most of the time, with the exception of unlocking passives and skills. I didn't like it then, and I still don't.

Adernath

Launch - 1.5

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

There was a period of time right before the console launch where the game seemed to be the most stable and balanced in most aspects. I do kinda miss the challenge Doshia and Mannimarco, as well as Molag Bal presented in those early days. And the veteran zones, where you were sent to other alliances after completing the main quest, were also more challenging. Shame they were so scarcely populated.

While I like that the world is opened up to everyone now it also has eliminated any and all challenge from the overworld content save for world bosses. Basically, in some ways I'm nostalgic about the early days when there were some challenges in the main quests and overworld. Lyris Doppleganger used to be a nightmare. Pretty much anytime one of those snake lady daedra were present I felt my stomach turn. Now they all feel ridiculously easy. Same with dolmens. I feel like they used to be events you actually needed other players to accomplish. Not sure how much of this is my skill as a player increasing with time and how much of it might just be how much they've nerfed them.

So true. I was proud to be able to kill Doshia on my 2nd attempt while so many people failed again and again. The challenging veteran overland content and quests I am missing completely now. There is literally no achievement when you share the same easy content with newbies wherever you go. Today I was healing some newbie players and even they said its no challenge (perhaps to my heals?). The cp increase per expansion makes the old content more and more obsolete.

Back in these days classes felt to had more identity and that your initial choice really does matter. I gladly would give away the possibility of frost staff tanking for class diversity.

Now we have
- AOE which is overwriting itself while you pay the resource cost.
- The weird heavy attack mechanic for sustain.

But of course the later updates also brought many nice features with it. Its just that I don't find the game challenging anymore in regards of the solo content.

MasterSpatula

1.6 - 2.3 (Thieves Guild)

The game changed way too much during the course of the first year for "Launch to 1.5" to be a category unto itself, IMO.

Betsararie

2.4 (Dark Brotherhood) - 2.7 (One Tamriel)

The game played great during the Dark Brotherhood patch. That is where some of my fondest memories are from.

Morrowind was garbage. Killing sustain wasn't too good of an idea.