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Infused vs. Divines on large pieces in Summerset
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Right now, the current optimal setup for endgame PvE DPS is to use all-Divines on your armor. With the typical Mundus stone of Apprentice/Warrior, this is effectively a buff to your Spell/Weapon Damage.
The alternative is to use Infused on the large armor pieces (head, chest, legs), which increases your max Magicka/Stamina.
On Live, a mix of Infused/Divines results in abilities hitting harder, but all-Divines is better for your light/heavy attacks because their scaling favors Spell/Weapon much more. On the balance, the advantage to your weaves outweigh the (smaller) advantage to how much your abilities are hitting for, which is why all-Divines is currently optimal.
But in Summerset, the scaling of light/heavy attack damage is being changed to match that of abilities. What does this mean? On a test character (Altmer magsorc with 4 sorc abilities on the front bar, Inner Light, and Bound Aegis), running Infused on the large pieces resulted in everything--abilities and staff attacks--hitting slightly harder than (by about 0.2%) all-Divines. This is with Major Sorcery active.
Does this mean that Infused/Divines is always better?
Not necessarily. The exact balance between Infused/Divines vs. all-Divines will depend on the amps available to you. For example, an Altmer nightblade will get 10% max magicka from racial passives and 8% from class passives, but an Argonian templar will get only 3% from racial and nothing from class passives. So whether or not Infused/Divines is better or all-Divines is better will depend on your build. In-combat bonuses can make a difference, too. E.g., if you have high War Horn uptime, you'll have high uptime of the 10% max magicka/stamina from War Horn and would favor Infused more. In short, I don't want to make any sort of blanket statements about Infused/Divines vs. all-Divines and would encourage that people test just how much their abilities and light/heavy attacks are hitting for.
Should I retrait my large pieces of Infused?
Assuming that Infused/Divines does perform better for your particular build (see above), the difference I observed on my magsorc test character was small enough (about 0.2%) that I don't think it would be worth the expenditure of crystals. That said, if you're gearing out a new character and deciding between crafting an Infused chestpiece or a Divines chestpiece, this is something that you might want to consider.
The alternative is to use Infused on the large armor pieces (head, chest, legs), which increases your max Magicka/Stamina.
On Live, a mix of Infused/Divines results in abilities hitting harder, but all-Divines is better for your light/heavy attacks because their scaling favors Spell/Weapon much more. On the balance, the advantage to your weaves outweigh the (smaller) advantage to how much your abilities are hitting for, which is why all-Divines is currently optimal.
But in Summerset, the scaling of light/heavy attack damage is being changed to match that of abilities. What does this mean? On a test character (Altmer magsorc with 4 sorc abilities on the front bar, Inner Light, and Bound Aegis), running Infused on the large pieces resulted in everything--abilities and staff attacks--hitting slightly harder than (by about 0.2%) all-Divines. This is with Major Sorcery active.
Does this mean that Infused/Divines is always better?
Not necessarily. The exact balance between Infused/Divines vs. all-Divines will depend on the amps available to you. For example, an Altmer nightblade will get 10% max magicka from racial passives and 8% from class passives, but an Argonian templar will get only 3% from racial and nothing from class passives. So whether or not Infused/Divines is better or all-Divines is better will depend on your build. In-combat bonuses can make a difference, too. E.g., if you have high War Horn uptime, you'll have high uptime of the 10% max magicka/stamina from War Horn and would favor Infused more. In short, I don't want to make any sort of blanket statements about Infused/Divines vs. all-Divines and would encourage that people test just how much their abilities and light/heavy attacks are hitting for.
Should I retrait my large pieces of Infused?
Assuming that Infused/Divines does perform better for your particular build (see above), the difference I observed on my magsorc test character was small enough (about 0.2%) that I don't think it would be worth the expenditure of crystals. That said, if you're gearing out a new character and deciding between crafting an Infused chestpiece or a Divines chestpiece, this is something that you might want to consider.
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✭I was thinking of going infused on a hybrid build anyway due to prismatic glyphs, but this is nice to see a side benefit from it.0 -
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✭✭frankwchenzo wrote: »the what about Mundus stone? mage vs apprentice ?
Good question, with many max magicka %amps it might be pretty good.
Spell dmg usually gets buffed by 25% with minor+major sorcery.
Max magicka can get buffed a lot more with racials, CP, inner light, NB passive, Bound Aegis etc.
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✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »frankwchenzo wrote: »the what about Mundus stone? mage vs apprentice ?
Good question, with many max magicka %amps it might be pretty good.
Spell dmg usually gets buffed by 25% with minor+major sorcery.
Max magicka can get buffed a lot more with racials, CP, inner light, NB passive, Bound Aegis etc.
Mage mundus isnt buffed by CP0 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭hmmm ye I thinked about is the big pieces in infused will worth it and finally have a kinda answer from someone who's better in maths then me
also tested a little bit with mage mundus and it isnt so bad on magblade, with a rota where I made many mistakes I managed to get a 40k on 3 mil maybe can get 43k or so with better ping and minor force which is bring me to one conclusion which I'll try when I get my main: Will twice born with acuity will worth it with mage and apprentice and maybe with skoria or with kena and domi/skoria? if someone can test it with better ping I'll be glad, its hard for me with 260 ping on pts "The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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✭✭✭✭What about this setup for Stamina PvE Dps:
Redguard
5p. MA
5p. Draugr Hulk
1p. Selene
1p. Domihaus
5-1-1
3x infused
3x divines
Blue Bufffood
I think you can almost reach 50k max. Stamina.
Edited by Sun7dance on April 26, 2018 10:36AMPS5|EU0 -
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✭✭What I am not sure about is infused or study for my tank, on the large pieces. Trirune or Infused for jewellery.0
