No changes to befoul cp?

Ihatenightblades

Just get rid of it

Haven't heard a thing about it from community or the eso team.

As someone who enjoys all aspects of pvp i find the befoul cp to be a deal breaker for many when it comes to dueling.

At this point every stam character besides stam blade is running reverb bash build and unless you are a magblade or mag sorc shield stacking there is no counter to it.

Cant heal. Cant fight back or im just gonna die since you can heal and i cant.

At some point its just gonna be reverb vs reverb and whoever has most burst wins.. I understand its needed in big scale fights since people can just outheal all incoming damage with multiple healers.

Maybe there should be 3 seperate battle spirits? One for cyrodil, one for battlegrounds, and one for dueling? Just to make it more balanced?

Dueling honestly doesnt beed a balance it's totally fine the only problem is the befoul cp which is giving people 70% healing debuff on a tree thats so flexible almost everyone runs 60+ pts into befoul.

For dueling i feel we should only allow heal debuffs with skill/sets. You wanna run reverb fine but dont expect to be getting a 70% heal debuff with 100% uptime.

This would give stamina even the option to go medium armor ( lol ya right ) maybe.

We need more people to speak out on befoul i dont think zos hears us just yet

Oakmontowls_ESO

Move befoul to a mage tree so they have to sacrifice damage for it.

Mazbt

Nerf the tree so that the % increase is less or get rid of it entirely. For once I agree with one of your nerf threads.

SquareSausage

The heal debuff is not as much as 70% if the CP is to be believed.

Reverb is 30% reduction.

62 points in befoul gives a 47% boost to your healing reduction abilities.

30*1.47=44% healing debuff.

So generally you will see a 30-44% healing reduction depending on CP with reverb.

Sixty5

The issue is that there is already a stupid amount of healing in PVP from some builds, so befoul needs to exist in some form or another in order to counter those builds.

The problem is that no every build has stupidly high heals or access to stuff like Shields, and they get absolutely rolled over by Befoul.

Honestly I don't really know what the answer is.

sneakymitchell

Health recovery builds dead. Spec to couple health recovery and what? Get turned down 50% from a simple skill or an disease proc and also a set bonus that lets you stand there and proc defiles on every one.

Ihatenightblades

Sixty5 wrote: »

The issue is that there is already a stupid amount of healing in PVP from some builds, so befoul needs to exist in some form or another in order to counter those builds.

The problem is that no every build has stupidly high heals or access to stuff like Shields, and they get absolutely rolled over by Befoul.

Honestly I don't really know what the answer is.

But the pure healing builds can are just doing 1 role

These reverb bash builds are applying the worst debuff you can have in game AND they are doing crazy damage with it.

Atleast healers arent killing anyone you know?

TequilaFire

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

The issue is that there is already a stupid amount of healing in PVP from some builds, so befoul needs to exist in some form or another in order to counter those builds.

The problem is that no every build has stupidly high heals or access to stuff like Shields, and they get absolutely rolled over by Befoul.

Honestly I don't really know what the answer is.

But the pure healing builds can are just doing 1 role

These reverb bash builds are applying the worst debuff you can have in game AND they are doing crazy damage with it.

Atleast healers arent killing anyone you know?

The 2 man DPS/healer is doing a good job of killing though.

Ihatenightblades

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

The issue is that there is already a stupid amount of healing in PVP from some builds, so befoul needs to exist in some form or another in order to counter those builds.

The problem is that no every build has stupidly high heals or access to stuff like Shields, and they get absolutely rolled over by Befoul.

Honestly I don't really know what the answer is.

But the pure healing builds can are just doing 1 role

These reverb bash builds are applying the worst debuff you can have in game AND they are doing crazy damage with it.

Atleast healers arent killing anyone you know?

The 2 man DPS/healer is doing a good job of killing though.

If your struggling on taking on 2 people you arent using any strategy whatsoever.

Try killing healer first.

TequilaFire

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

The issue is that there is already a stupid amount of healing in PVP from some builds, so befoul needs to exist in some form or another in order to counter those builds.

The problem is that no every build has stupidly high heals or access to stuff like Shields, and they get absolutely rolled over by Befoul.

Honestly I don't really know what the answer is.

But the pure healing builds can are just doing 1 role

These reverb bash builds are applying the worst debuff you can have in game AND they are doing crazy damage with it.

Atleast healers arent killing anyone you know?

The 2 man DPS/healer is doing a good job of killing though.

If your struggling on taking on 2 people you arent using any strategy whatsoever.

Try killing healer first.

Who said I was struggling? I am just pointing out some of the best gankers run like that.
They would eat your lunch.

GreenSoup2HoT

Probably reverb and lethal arrow could use some tuning duration wise. 10 seconds is just over the top.

usmguy1234

How about scaling defile depending on how many enemies are around you. The more outnumbered you are the stronger the defile is. The fewer the enemies the weaker it is. Or something similar to this. The problem is defile is too darn strong 1v1 or 1vX but it is absolutely needed to combat ball groups.

geonsocal

i really needed the treasure hunter perk, so - had to put points in something...

befoul sound cool...

Twenty0zTsunami

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Just get rid of it

Haven't heard a thing about it from community or the eso team.

As someone who enjoys all aspects of pvp i find the befoul cp to be a deal breaker for many when it comes to dueling.

At this point every stam character besides stam blade is running reverb bash build and unless you are a magblade or mag sorc shield stacking there is no counter to it.

Cant heal. Cant fight back or im just gonna die since you can heal and i cant.

At some point its just gonna be reverb vs reverb and whoever has most burst wins.. I understand its needed in big scale fights since people can just outheal all incoming damage with multiple healers.

Maybe there should be 3 seperate battle spirits? One for cyrodil, one for battlegrounds, and one for dueling? Just to make it more balanced?

Dueling honestly doesnt beed a balance it's totally fine the only problem is the befoul cp which is giving people 70% healing debuff on a tree thats so flexible almost everyone runs 60+ pts into befoul.

For dueling i feel we should only allow heal debuffs with skill/sets. You wanna run reverb fine but dont expect to be getting a 70% heal debuff with 100% uptime.

This would give stamina even the option to go medium armor ( lol ya right ) maybe.

We need more people to speak out on befoul i dont think zos hears us just yet

"unless you play half the core game classes there is no counter"

gee what do you call half the classes being able to counter it, if not an effective counter?