Change Cleanse to a More Powerful Self-Purge

RoamingRiverElk

With the introduction of more and more effects that can be applied to a player character in PvP (from skills, sets, poisons), it has become very difficult to cleanse the right debuff off of oneself - in fact, it is often so pointless to even try that many PvPers who do small group PvP don't even slot it anymore.

Efficient Purge has become outdated. It takes too many tries to get the right debuff off of oneself, which also means that one is left without a counter to certain powerful skills.

The two classes I see suffering the most from this Inefficient Purge are magicka DKs and nightblades. Nightblades because of being marked, and magicka DKs because of the healing debuff.

Therefore one of the Purge morphs should be changed to purge more debuffs off of the player, but this should be balanced with this specific morph only purging effects from two other (possible) groupmates, instead of from six:

Cleanse yourself and your closest 2 groupmates, removing 4 negative effects from yourself and 2 negative effects from 2 groupmates, reducing the duration of any further negative effects by 50% for 6 seconds. [Should cost the same as Efficient Purge to cast]

This way, the purge would still offer some utility for group play as well, and would not be as powerful a tool for using on oneself as the classic templar purge. Efficient Purge would still remain as it is, useful to large groups in both PvP and PvE.

Anazasi

No.

Checkmath

why not giving it an option like you can choose which debuffs should be removed. so everyone in the radius gets a message, which orders you to type the name of two debuffs on you. as soon as you hit enter after writing them down, they will be removed.

RoamingRiverElk

Checkmath wrote: »

why not giving it an option like you can choose which debuffs should be removed. so everyone in the radius gets a message, which orders you to type the name of two debuffs on you. as soon as you hit enter after writing them down, they will be removed.

It should also ask you to CONFIRM after typing your answer in fight. Yes!

Well, it actually wouldn't be a bad idea if we could specify the order of the debuffs to be cleansed somewhere in the user interface before entering combat, but somehow I don't think ZoS would ever implement it like that. ^^

Checkmath

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

why not giving it an option like you can choose which debuffs should be removed. so everyone in the radius gets a message, which orders you to type the name of two debuffs on you. as soon as you hit enter after writing them down, they will be removed.

It should also ask you to CONFIRM after typing your answer in fight. Yes!

Well, it actually wouldn't be a bad idea if we could specify the order of the debuffs to be cleansed somewhere in the user interface before entering combat, but somehow I don't think ZoS would ever implement it like that. ^^

but if there is a fault in the spelling, it wont remove anything at all, so better make sure to write that debuffs up correctly

NyassaV

I feel like changing the base morph to cleanse 3 effects rather than 2 would make it more worth the cost seeing as most abilities apply a few debuffs rather than just 1 or 2.

I wouldn't mind cost reduction to about 3.7k magicka cost morph where it would purge you + one other guy

Checkmath

ok now serious. then would you also mind to allow cleansing ritual of the templar to remove more than 2 debuffs (more than 5 on extended ritual morph).

josiahva

as a magicka DK, I dont use purge at all, its pointless, way too expensive to even consider. I am better off casting a damage spell or some heal or another, as it is I cant really sustain long periods of time so my build is all about burst...purge has no place in it.

NyassaV

Checkmath wrote: »

ok now serious. then would you also mind to allow cleansing ritual of the templar to remove more than 2 debuffs (more than 5 on extended ritual morph).

go for it

ak_pvp

Make purges percentage of total debuffs. Efficient purge can be 25%. Templar ritual morph can be 50%. Stronger with more effects, bit weaker with less.

Easy.

zassasaurus

They definitely need to make purge smart, and target yourself first and actually target people with dots, its really frustrating having to use it 2 or 3 times to purge a dot off someone standing right in front of you.

ToRelax

ak_pvp wrote: »

Make purges percentage of total debuffs. Efficient purge can be 25%. Templar ritual morph can be 50%. Stronger with more effects, bit weaker with less.

Easy.

That just means you don't have a good chance to remove a critical debuff even when you have just one other on you. Much worse than it is now.

ak_pvp

ToRelax wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Make purges percentage of total debuffs. Efficient purge can be 25%. Templar ritual morph can be 50%. Stronger with more effects, bit weaker with less.

Easy.

That just means you don't have a good chance to remove a critical debuff even when you have just one other on you. Much worse than it is now.

Not necessarily. No one really has one singular debuff on them, even from a low effect high burst build like an NB: a snare, a status effect, a dot, and penetration. I regularly see 10+ on me outnumbered. Curse/POTL, mark, a snare, a few dots, poison, root maybe, etc But it becomes weaker against those Xv1 healbots who will instantly purge everything on them because they provide limited offense with insane sustain.

And if it is a problem, it could be something like 1/2 debuff min, maybe so it will always remove on cast, just scale better higher.

ToRelax

ak_pvp wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Make purges percentage of total debuffs. Efficient purge can be 25%. Templar ritual morph can be 50%. Stronger with more effects, bit weaker with less.

Easy.

That just means you don't have a good chance to remove a critical debuff even when you have just one other on you. Much worse than it is now.

Not necessarily. No one really has one singular debuff on them, even from a low effect high burst build like an NB: a snare, a status effect, a dot, and penetration. I regularly see 10+ on me outnumbered. Curse/POTL, mark, a snare, a few dots, poison, root maybe, etc But it becomes weaker against those Xv1 healbots who will instantly purge everything on them because they provide limited offense with insane sustain.

And if it is a problem, it could be something like 1/2 debuff min, maybe so it will always remove on cast, just scale better higher.

Well, I personally mainly use it against Snares and sometimes Backlash, Burning Embers or poisons. The number of debuffs on you is much easier to control with a Sorc.

I'd actually just turn one morph into a self Purge only, maybe a little more expensive than Templar's, but removing at least 4 debuffs, maybe more, so it's at least somewhat reliable.