Did I make a mistake rolling a magWarden (magden)?

Joxer61

Ok, while I wait out the SS tests and all and for the jury to be out on magDK I went and rolled a mag Warden. I mean its a shiney new class, no? THEN I went and had a look here...omg, what did I do? From the few posts I read they basically suck. In both areas. Now granted, I am a PVE player first and mostly and had hoped that this toy of ZOS' would be cool. Did I screw up and the forum is just full of cry-babies or do they truly suck and are the red-headed step child of ESO? Again, from a pve perspective.

Ok, so whats the deal with starting with 1 attack? Is this class meant to be a healer first and foremost? If so, gonna delete before I invest too much time. Cheers for the feedback all!

Asardes

Nope. Mine is just fine weaving hammer strikes in between those rubedite swords he puts in boxes

Joxer61

Asardes wrote: »

Nope. Mine is just fine weaving hammer strikes in between those rubedite swords he puts in boxes

Oh snap that's not what I was hoping to hear!

LordMitchell123

For a Magden PvE build, check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMoR1e4wKw4&t=61s I'm going to try this soon.
Myself I didn't have much faith in magden either (that is for pvp tho) but with the right build a friend helped me with, i got waaay further.
Magden is definetly viable for pve and pvp, there just don't seem to be that many 'use this and be OP' type of posts.
Don't give up on it yet

Joxer61

LordMitchell123 wrote: »

For a Magden PvE build, check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMoR1e4wKw4&t=61s I'm going to try this soon.
Myself I didn't have much faith in magden either (that is for pvp tho) but with the right build a friend helped me with, i got waaay further.
Magden is definetly viable for pve and pvp, there just don't seem to be that many 'use this and be OP' type of posts.
Don't give up on it yet

Thanks heaps for that! I have to say after cruising the forums again (its what I do for info) I was starting to get really discouraged about my choice. I mean I want to play a class that makes me fall in love with the game again, its why I came back! I have a lvl50 DK sitting waiting for SS to drop and see what plays out from there so was really hoping Warden would be as fun and viable if not more. We shall see I guess. Cheers !

And there are other vids on youtube as well! THANK YOU!! Spirits lifted!

Reverb

It depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to have fun playing and exploring, doing dungeons, and being in large PvP groups, mag Warden will be more than fine. Normal trials will be easy enough, even vet trials of the rest of your team is very good and isn't going for leader board spot. But it will he almost impossible (currently) for you to pull top dps, and will be very very difficult to be as successful as other classes, or as a stam Warden, in solo or small group PvP.

You can have a lot of fun playing as a mag Warden, but you will have to be carried through competitive content.

Lynx7386

Don't delete. If nothing else, you can always tank or heal with the warden just fine

Joxer61

Reverb wrote: »

It depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to have fun playing and exploring, doing dungeons, and being in large PvP groups, mag Warden will be more than fine. Normal trials will be easy enough, even vet trials of the rest of your team is very good and isn't going for leader board spot. But it will he almost impossible (currently) for you to pull top dps, and will be very very difficult to be as successful as other classes, or as a stam Warden, in solo or small group PvP.

You can have a lot of fun playing as a mag Warden, but you will have to be carried through competitive content.

Yea, pvp will be few and far between, just not my jam. But plan on doing the dungeons and all that other pve goodness with guildies, maybe some group pvp at some point, who knows? But leadership boards and all that...am far to new to the gme to even think down that road, I'll let the big boys do that crazy stuff! Just want to be viable...and fun!

Joxer61

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Don't delete. If nothing else, you can always tank or heal with the warden just fine

Yea, thanks to vid above I have found other vids with great builds/advice and info! Actually excited to level it now! Cheers!

Joxer61

@LordMitchell123 Just wanted to say a huge THANKS for linking that vid, and it took me to several others that showed how the class is very viable in most of the pve content that I will be doing! I tend to be a bit of a min/max'er so down the track I can try and squeeze all I can out it but right now am really enjoying the whole frosty theme and all of it, its a nice change from burn,burn,burn! Cheers mate!!

Ley

I enjoy playing my MagDen. It's not my most effective character but the skills feel a bit different and I enjoy it. I don't regret any of my characters, I assume that as meta shifts some will be better than others.

LordMitchell123

Awsome to hear you're excited @Joxer61 I'm happy I could help you in finding your way to something you enjoy. I'm actually quite curious myself now for those other vids so I'll be on yt tonight.
I hope you keep enjoying the warden as much as I do!

Princess_Ciri

Magicka Wardens don't suck at all.

Most people who hate on Magicka Wardens suck at playing DD so they see their failings at playing the class = the class being bad. But as u can see from the videos linked, Magden DDs can be just as viable at end game as any other class.

And anyone who says magdens need to be carried through competitive content, I know this isn't true. There are a few very good magden DD players out there who contribute a lot to their group.

Sharee

All this talk about this and that sucking is mostly grossly exaggerated.

I mean, if you read the forums, you would think this or that "sucking" would score a 15-20 on a scale from 1 to 100.
In reality, things score 92-97. But since it's not a 99 or 100, they "suck". Take it with a grain of salt. All classes are fine, except in extremely competitive environment like hunting for world firsts or such.

Integral1900

Mine is a magic one as well, I will also admit that early on I did consider deleting.... but I’m glad I didn’t, this thing is brutal it’s a dps healer hybrid, basicaly a medic with an attitude problem... I keep the bear alive, maintain three buffs and four aoe, mister fuzzy and some heavy attacks do the single target and the aoe does the rest, the warden might not be top of the dps tree but they can do decent single target, good aoe and for relatively little effort be made amazingly robust, stick with it.

kylewwefan

The magic warden is a fun and easy class to play. They’re the jack of all things really. While not really being the best at anything, they’re quite strong at many things. For me, it’s my play how I want to class. Perfect for a normal challenge.

I steer clear of vet stuff with him though. Not tuff enough for vet. Z. Max kind of screwed the pooch on that aspect.

Waffennacht

It's not that Magden is bad ... Ish... When you read about Magden lacking it's in the context of top-end end game comparisons.

Examples are like trials in a group where any other class would be dealing more damage (as dps) or in PvP when you compare top end players facing each other.

It can complete any content, you can and more than likely will have fun and enjoy it. If you play PvP there's just gonna be some players you'll be at a disadvantage, but you can still roflstomp plenty of others.

Comments are directed for players that already have one of each class leveled and are deciding which to use

Tryxus

I rerolled my main to a Magicka Warden when Morrowind dropped... and I don't regret it one bit The class is incredibly fun to play, has many great and pretty animations and can be made really strong no matter what role you choose to play

I mostly play mine as a healer, both in PvE and PvP, but I also occasionally DPS with him as well. Now, honestly, the Magicka DPS isn't as great as some of the other classes out there but it's still very much possible to reach good levels with a MagDen and they're definitely viable for dungeons, trials and veteran content.

Give the class a go and, more importantly, see if you like it. Try to have fun, otherwise what's the point?

Joxer61

@Princess_Ciri and @LordMitchell123 , so just want to ask really quick, and this is for others as well....what skills do you all use for just questing/levelling and such? I have seen the builds on youtube and all but those are mostly lvl 50ish kinda stuffs. I am enjoying the class very much but do struggle with damage and that, and the bear is a tad weak (and its a BEAR!!!) lol. So is more the case of the skills get better once they are higher level/morphed etc.?
All good with that but was just curious as to what works best for low level, they never youtube them kinds of builds do they!! cheers.

Princess_Ciri

@Joxer61

The skills I used when I was levelling my Magden were:

Enchanted growth (the mushroom heal), just because you can use it to heal yourself so it's pretty useful if you are close to dying. You can change this to Lotus Blossom (the 4th skill in Green Balance) or Living Vines when you can unlock them, as both also provide another way to heal that are less expensive.

Force Pulse/Screaming Cliff Racer. The Cliff racer is less expensive so if you are running out of resources, I would use that over force pulse, but force pulse will do a bit more damage.

Deep Fissure. Has nice damage and stuns, so it's good for fighting multiple enemies.

Fetcher Infection. (This is the swarm of bugs you put on people) This is a really strong DoT so if you put it on enemies with lots of health it will help you kill them. Your advanced species passive from Animal Companions also increases your damage done for every ability slotted, so if you have Screaming Cliff Racer, Deep Fissure, Fetcher Infection AND the bear, with this passive fully levelled that's an extra 8% damage.

The last skill I had on my front bar was either inner light (from mages guild) or annulment/harness magicka which you get from the light armour tree.

Then ofc I use the bear ultimate. You can also use meteor if you have mages guild levelled, or the destruction staff ultimate for more AoE, but the bear is pretty good, and keeps aggro off you sometimes, so that's nice.

On my back bar I used Winter's Revenge, Elemental Blockade, Betty Netch, Ice Fortress and the mushroom heal (just so I could level green balance, I didn't use the mushroom heal much since shields are usually better if you are taking damage).

This uses 2 destruction staves, if you are having issues staying alive you could always try and use a restoration staff but I think for questing and levelling, 2 destro staves are better for killing things and give you access to more DoTs and damage.

But yeah you will find that the skills do more damage the more they get levelled, and a large part of it is down to your CP, gear and practice for your rotation. Hope this helps anyway

Joxer61

@Princess_Ciri THANK YOU!!

Asardes

When I level a character I pretty much don't give a damn what I use but I alternate between all the class skills and 2 weapon skill lines on the front bar and don't allocate anything in passives. Grindstorm Arena is so forgiving I can just light and heavy attack everything to death and 40-45 minutes later I'll gain 4-5 levels, or as much as 8 if it's really low, like just out of the tutorial

GreenhaloX

Well, I wouldn't consider a warden class being spank shining new, as Morrowind has been out for a year now. All classes are good toons, as long as you like it. I have both a mag and stam warden, and I enjoy them both. Both are good toons to me and dps just fine as any other toons. Not sure how or if I grasp the concept of some selected few who claim or boasting that warden lack dps. Both of my wardens seem to melt down any adds/mob/bosses just fine. It's what build/set you're wearing and what skills/rotations you are using, similarly to any other toon. There is no mistake about it if you enjoy the toon. If you don't, for whatever reason, then it can possibly be a mistake. Then, go with another toon that you enjoy or like to play.