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To Zenimax: pve is ok, but when is gonna come the turn for pvp?
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Till now the strategy of release new DLC every 3/ 4 months with new pve zones did work well to keep players always bussy, but this will not work forever, the people will eventually get tired of "always the same" and they will reclaim real innovations.
Also there is a small portion of the population that is still waiting for some miracle in the pvp, the potential is there, but i think from the marketing perspective it is risky to invest effort and resoucerments in something that they know it may not work with the experience they have already with Imperial City.
I think they really have to start brainstorming if they want to keep the ship afloat. In my opinion there is already enough of pve content, specially for new players and it is time to say if we can not make pvp fun at once, then we have to start with small steps but with a real impact in the game.
If it would be me, i would take what we have already that is Cyrodiil and i would remake it. In the case of the Battlegrounds, they are ok, but are not so much fun. I remember my days in WoW and the most simplest bgs were my favourites, for example Alterac Valley, Arathi Basin, Eye of the Storm and Warsong Gulch.
Battlegrounds in my opinion could be one of the most strong pilars of this game. They don't have to be something new that you never seen before, they have to be just "fun", the same as Cirodill, where the 90% of the time you are stuck in loading screens, mounting running in your horse, dead and waiting while besieging the castles.
Edited by teladoy on April 18, 2018 8:46AM Also there is a small portion of the population that is still waiting for some miracle in the pvp, the potential is there, but i think from the marketing perspective it is risky to invest effort and resoucerments in something that they know it may not work with the experience they have already with Imperial City.
I think they really have to start brainstorming if they want to keep the ship afloat. In my opinion there is already enough of pve content, specially for new players and it is time to say if we can not make pvp fun at once, then we have to start with small steps but with a real impact in the game.
If it would be me, i would take what we have already that is Cyrodiil and i would remake it. In the case of the Battlegrounds, they are ok, but are not so much fun. I remember my days in WoW and the most simplest bgs were my favourites, for example Alterac Valley, Arathi Basin, Eye of the Storm and Warsong Gulch.
Battlegrounds in my opinion could be one of the most strong pilars of this game. They don't have to be something new that you never seen before, they have to be just "fun", the same as Cirodill, where the 90% of the time you are stuck in loading screens, mounting running in your horse, dead and waiting while besieging the castles.
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✭✭✭✭✭Brian Wheeler (PvP lead) said on ESO Live they're not looking to add things to Cyrodiil until they've got a better handle on stability issues. He also hinted at more stuff this year in regards to information about PvP.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Great timing. Wait until Battlegrounds are added to the base game and then ask when PvP is going to get some attention!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PVP has been slowly taking the center stage on balancing for a while now. Nerfs to proc sets, nerfs to individual systems which have far reaching consequences and so on.
No, we need more PVE focused patches. PVP has allready shown that we're no closer to pleasing that audience than we were a while ago. People remember 1.6 fondly (I could be wrong, but I believe that was the patch that seems the most beloved) but I'm sure you could find nerf threads from that time period too.
Truth is, PVP cannibalizes the game in small ways. I can almost guarentee you the changes to heals so they dont benefit from crit modifiers is PVP-centric.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Having an opinion is fine. That PvP was neglected for so long (and yes, I appreciate the changes finally coming with Update 18) isn’t something you can really defend other than by saying “it’s not important to me”. There are many people still who enjoy PvP. It has a place in the game and therefore should be looked after just as PvE is.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Having an opinion is fine. That PvP was neglected for so long (and yes, I appreciate the changes finally coming with Update 18) isn’t something you can really defend other than by saying “it’s not important to me”. There are many people still who enjoy PvP. It has a place in the game and therefore should be looked after just as PvE is.
Except it really hasn't.
How many freaking nerfs have been made for the sake of PVP now? The fact that proc sets cant crit, the -entire- introduction of poisons.
PVP in PVE games cannibalizes development and balance. PVE in PVP games cannibalizes development and balance. Until the two are seperated, anything we do for PVP is going to come at the cost of litterally everything else. ZOS is finally realizing that tanking the rest of the game for the sake of one game mode isn't a good buisness strategy.
Not to mention the fact that I've seen no evidence that if ZOS makes a new battleground every update, that'd be enough for the PVP audience. It's a cycle without end. If nobody is pleased, it's not worth puting the effort in.
PVPers are the reason PVP isn't geting new stuff. Your never happy. You complain, you coerce, you cajole, and even when the nerfs come. What's that line from fortunate son? "But when you ask them how much should I give, the only answer is more, more more."Edited by Doctordarkspawn on April 18, 2018 9:22AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Having an opinion is fine. That PvP was neglected for so long (and yes, I appreciate the changes finally coming with Update 18) isn’t something you can really defend other than by saying “it’s not important to me”. There are many people still who enjoy PvP. It has a place in the game and therefore should be looked after just as PvE is.
But PvP hasn't been neglected for so long. There's been dueling and battlegrounds plus constant attention to performance and balancing. The trouble is that whenever ZOS introduce something new that PvPers have been asking for it immediately gets trashed by players with comments like "IC? That's not proper PvP", "Dueling? Not proper PvP", "Battlegrounds? Not proper PvP". This thread is a classic example, Update 18 is bringing Battlegrounds to the base game in a few weeks and yet the OP is asking when PvP will get some attention!7 -
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✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Having an opinion is fine. That PvP was neglected for so long (and yes, I appreciate the changes finally coming with Update 18) isn’t something you can really defend other than by saying “it’s not important to me”. There are many people still who enjoy PvP. It has a place in the game and therefore should be looked after just as PvE is.
But PvP hasn't been neglected for so long. There's been dueling and battlegrounds plus constant attention to performance and balancing. The trouble is that whenever ZOS introduce something new that PvPers have been asking for it immediately gets trashed by players with comments like "IC? That's not proper PvP", "Dueling? Not proper PvP", "Battlegrounds? Not proper PvP". This thread is a classic example, Update 18 is bringing Battlegrounds to the base game in a few weeks and yet the OP is asking when PvP will get some attention!
Imperial City needs a rework. It's a cool concept trown into the binI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Having an opinion is fine. That PvP was neglected for so long (and yes, I appreciate the changes finally coming with Update 18) isn’t something you can really defend other than by saying “it’s not important to me”. There are many people still who enjoy PvP. It has a place in the game and therefore should be looked after just as PvE is.
But PvP hasn't been neglected for so long. There's been dueling and battlegrounds plus constant attention to performance and balancing. The trouble is that whenever ZOS introduce something new that PvPers have been asking for it immediately gets trashed by players with comments like "IC? That's not proper PvP", "Dueling? Not proper PvP", "Battlegrounds? Not proper PvP". This thread is a classic example, Update 18 is bringing Battlegrounds to the base game in a few weeks and yet the OP is asking when PvP will get some attention!
Imperial City needs a rework. It's a cool concept trown into the bin
Yeah the reason Imperial City wont get that is because it's been summarily abandoned because it was a flawed concept.
Again, not enough interest in it to justify it. A rework wont make that interest just magically appear.1 -
teladoy✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Having an opinion is fine. That PvP was neglected for so long (and yes, I appreciate the changes finally coming with Update 18) isn’t something you can really defend other than by saying “it’s not important to me”. There are many people still who enjoy PvP. It has a place in the game and therefore should be looked after just as PvE is.
Do you think that add the Battlegrounds to the base game with update 18 is a change in pvp? Do you think that belongs to part of the essence of pvp?
In my opinion it does not. Battlegrounds should be from the beginning open to everyone and this was only a tactic to sell more. They knew that eventually they had to make it free to everybody if we want to see more players on it.
I think many are not understanding what I'm trying to say, many players quit doing videos in youtube because they just got bored of the unbalance and in my opinion that was not the problem, the reason why they quit, i think it was because they just had no fun anymore.
WoW had always unbalanced issues, but the Battlegrounds and pvp were damn fun and there is the secret of success, the real question at the end is: it is fun or not.
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
Who are you to determine whether or not I posted an opinion? I don't see an Opinion Police badge on your profile
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
Who are you to determine whether or not I posted an opinion? I don't see an Opinion Police badge on your profile
Overwatch is a bad game
Eh, I didn't play it for very long but I had fun while it lasted.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
Who are you to determine whether or not I posted an opinion? I don't see an Opinion Police badge on your profile
Overwatch is a bad game
Eh, I didn't play it for very long but I had fun while it lasted.
I've never played it in my life, just like some have never tried PvP in this game but still want it removed4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
Who are you to determine whether or not I posted an opinion? I don't see an Opinion Police badge on your profile
Overwatch is a bad game
Eh, I didn't play it for very long but I had fun while it lasted.
I've never played it in my life, just like some have never tried PvP in this game but still want it removed
Why do you keep harping on this? Do you think that only someone who has never played PVP is ever going to criticize it?
Show me someone who has never played PVP, and I'll show you someone who has and does not like it. This is a fallacy.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on April 18, 2018 9:25AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
Who are you to determine whether or not I posted an opinion? I don't see an Opinion Police badge on your profile
Overwatch is a bad game
Eh, I didn't play it for very long but I had fun while it lasted.
I've never played it in my life, just like some have never tried PvP in this game but still want it removed
Why do you keep harping on this? Do you think that only someone who has never played PVP is ever going to criticize it?
Show me someone who has never played PVP, and I'll show you someone who has and does not like it. This is a fallacy.
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First of all, you don’t play PvP regularly, so I doubt your ability to really have informed judgement on the matter. Secondly, PvP players are really easy to please. A stable Cyrodiil that hasn’t a plethora of bugs and the constant lag issues is all most people want. We don’t need new shinies. It would suffice to just being able to play the game reliably.
Thirdly, the “PvE always gets shafted because of PvP” mantra gets old. The most recent sweeping changes have all been PvE related. Did you hear PvP players scapegoat PvE players because sustain got hit so hard and everyone needs to heavy attack now? Or that classes get homogenized more and more because apparently everyone should be able to tank, heal or DD in PvE?
There have been just as heavy changes that relate to PvE only and affected PvP. It’s just that the PvE crowd conveniently blames PvP because it’s easy.
@Tandor
PvP stands and falls with game performance. New game modes or new stuff is not worth much of you can play it only in slideshow mode. And performance has been the big bane of PvP ever since they released the lighting patch in 1.6. Compared to PvE the efforts certainly have not been constant. Battlegrounds are nice, I acknowledge that. They just didn’t help anything with Cyrodiil.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.4 -
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✭Gotta think like a proper company here though, is the financial effort (staff, time, advertising, maintenance, etc.) worth it to please a minority of the gamer base?
Personally I’d rather they just leave PvP as is because I dont want to pay for it. And to all those who say “some PvP’ers hate PvE” I say this, why are you playing Elder Scrolls, a historically and thematically PvE game then?3 -
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First of all, you don’t play PvP regularly, so I doubt your ability to really have informed judgement on the matter. Secondly, PvP players are really easy to please. A stable Cyrodiil that hasn’t a plethora of bugs and the constant lag issues is all most people want. We don’t need new shinies. It would suffice to just being able to play the game reliably.
Thirdly, the “PvE always gets shafted because of PvP” mantra gets old. The most recent sweeping changes have all been PvE related. Did you hear PvP players scapegoat PvE players because sustain got hit so hard and everyone needs to heavy attack now? Or that classes get homogenized more and more because apparently everyone should be able to tank, heal or DD in PvE?
There have been just as heavy changes that relate to PvE only and affected PvP. It’s just that the PvE crowd conveniently blames PvP because it’s easy.
@Tandor
PvP stands and falls with game performance. New game modes or new stuff is not worth much of you can play it only in slideshow mode. And performance has been the big bane of PvP ever since they released the lighting patch in 1.6. Compared to PvE the efforts certainly have not been constant. Battlegrounds are nice, I acknowledge that. They just didn’t help anything with Cyrodiil.
I'll just adress these in simple shortform.
1. My opinion is no less valid because I dont PVP. This is a fallacy.
2. If it's geting old as a mantra it might want to stop happening. Is it a scapegoat sometimes? Sure. But every steriotype started somewhere. The lastest example was the crit-changes to most healing effects. Tell me truthfully, do you think that extra level of healing is making PVE overpowered? Come now. Once it stops happening, we'll stop shouting it.
3. Performance has -allways- been an issue, for everyone. Welcome to this game. We'd all like to be able to play at a decent framerate. PVP is just exponentially harder on performance, and that isn't going to change. Sorry. But once you have 100 characters on screen, there will be slowdown. Especially on an engine, that is just now geting true quad-core support.
Same crap I see from every PVP thread. Again. PVPers are why PVP gets no attention.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on April 18, 2018 9:39AM0 -
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So, PvP players should just be grateful and accept the state of the game? That’s an peculiar view of things.
Also, yes, healing is an issue in PvE. Or why else do you think that healers get judged by how well they buff the group? Overhealing is what makes PvE healing so easy.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
Who are you to determine whether or not I posted an opinion? I don't see an Opinion Police badge on your profile
Overwatch is a bad game
Eh, I didn't play it for very long but I had fun while it lasted.
I've never played it in my life, just like some have never tried PvP in this game but still want it removed
Why do you keep harping on this? Do you think that only someone who has never played PVP is ever going to criticize it?
Show me someone who has never played PVP, and I'll show you someone who has and does not like it. This is a fallacy.
Not at all. There are people who have tried PvP who love it, and people who haven't tried it and hate it
There are plenty who have tried it and hate it.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
Who are you to determine whether or not I posted an opinion? I don't see an Opinion Police badge on your profile
Overwatch is a bad game
Eh, I didn't play it for very long but I had fun while it lasted.
I've never played it in my life, just like some have never tried PvP in this game but still want it removed
Why do you keep harping on this? Do you think that only someone who has never played PVP is ever going to criticize it?
Show me someone who has never played PVP, and I'll show you someone who has and does not like it. This is a fallacy.
Not at all. There are people who have tried PvP who love it, and people who haven't tried it and hate it
There are plenty who have tried it and hate it.
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First of all, you don’t play PvP regularly, so I doubt your ability to really have informed judgement on the matter. Secondly, PvP players are really easy to please. A stable Cyrodiil that hasn’t a plethora of bugs and the constant lag issues is all most people want. We don’t need new shinies. It would suffice to just being able to play the game reliably.
Thirdly, the “PvE always gets shafted because of PvP” mantra gets old. The most recent sweeping changes have all been PvE related. Did you hear PvP players scapegoat PvE players because sustain got hit so hard and everyone needs to heavy attack now? Or that classes get homogenized more and more because apparently everyone should be able to tank, heal or DD in PvE?
There have been just as heavy changes that relate to PvE only and affected PvP. It’s just that the PvE crowd conveniently blames PvP because it’s easy.
@Tandor
PvP stands and falls with game performance. New game modes or new stuff is not worth much of you can play it only in slideshow mode. And performance has been the big bane of PvP ever since they released the lighting patch in 1.6. Compared to PvE the efforts certainly have not been constant. Battlegrounds are nice, I acknowledge that. They just didn’t help anything with Cyrodiil.
There have been complaints about performance in Cyrodiil since the game launched (probably in beta too, but I can't comment on that as I wasn't there), not just since patch 1.6. Yet there always seem to be plenty who are complaining about the queues rather than the performance, so it seems popular enough.
PvE will always attract more attention than PvP in games that are PvE-centred, as this one is.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »
Sure they can, else I wouldn't have posted mine
You didn't really post an opinion. You posted speculation on someone elses opinion.Semantics aside, people can play the PVP in this game, and other MMO's, and find it wanting. I personally dont like PVP in MMO's, I prefer something like Overwatch where it's the soul focus of the development.
Who are you to determine whether or not I posted an opinion? I don't see an Opinion Police badge on your profile
Overwatch is a bad game
Eh, I didn't play it for very long but I had fun while it lasted.
I've never played it in my life, just like some have never tried PvP in this game but still want it removed
Why do you keep harping on this? Do you think that only someone who has never played PVP is ever going to criticize it?
Show me someone who has never played PVP, and I'll show you someone who has and does not like it. This is a fallacy.
Not at all. There are people who have tried PvP who love it, and people who haven't tried it and hate it
There are plenty who have tried it and hate it.
There are plenty who don’t like scripted events aka PvE. Does that mean PvE should get no fixes? Of course not. You just choose to essentially screw a segment of the player base because you don’t particularly care for the game mode. Doesn’t make it correct though.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.4 -
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✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Gotta think like a proper company here though, is the financial effort (staff, time, advertising, maintenance, etc.) worth it to please a minority of the gamer base?
Personally I’d rather they just leave PvP as is because I dont want to pay for it. And to all those who say “some PvP’ers hate PvE” I say this, why are you playing Elder Scrolls, a historically and thematically PvE game then?
Seriously. I'll never understand this attitude of I hate pve but I'm choosing to PvP in a game primarily built around pve. PvP centric game? Nope, not interested. They are basically throwing mud on the wall to see what sticks but this is the game you choose for pvp? Baffling.
On top, if all you do is pvp, I find it hard to believe you subscribe, or spend any real funds supporting the game. Why would you? I know I wouldn't. Pure speculation, but what is there to buy for a dedicated pvper? Probably have one, maybe two toons, maybe a few costumes to hide their gear and maybe 2 mounts.
In comparison I own 90% of the costumes, at least 20 mounts and been subbed since day one. Which type of customer would you cater too?
Miss me with I don't pvp, bet your sweet pumpkin pie I do, but after only a couple of hours or so I'm bored shitless, don't know how one could get hooked on it but they do.
Please dont ask how someone can get hooked on pve in a primarily pve game. Didn't even know eso had PvP until I was looking for a heal for my nb many years ago.
And still only issue I have is the vast majority of threads in general discussion are complaints by, you guessed it. They have combat, alliance, PvP, but nope, they flood gen. Irritating it is.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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