5k Wep/Spell Hybrid Templar PTS Build

JackDaniell

This may truly be the patch for Hybrids, Finally I have good damage and sustain! 5050 Weapon/Spell Damage and 1900/1700 Stam/Mag Recovery. Pelinals, Shacklebreaker, and Slimecraw are the ingredients. Enjoy the build guys!

OGLezard

Can we get some pvp action for the build? Maybe show us some pve?

It all sounds good but I would like to see it in action

Lynx7386

What can this setup parse on dummies?

Gohavoc

i wanna see but so blurry

GeorgeBlack

Cant wait to check it out.
If you dont mind a spoiler. What weapons do you use?

JackDaniell

OGLezard wrote: »

Can we get some pvp action for the build? Maybe show us some pve?

It all sounds good but I would like to see it in action

This is a PTS build so i cant really do much pvp on it, i do however have an older version of this spec that is not as strong. There is over 25 mins of pvp footage starting at the halfway point of this vid!

MisterBigglesworth

Uh oh, better nerf it

DragonLane555

Is there a war to tweak this to be a PvE DPS Build?

Nolic1

I think it could be made into a PvE build but would need some tweeks to work in PvE. But I love your hybrid builds you really take the time to make the builds work and as stated above I try to alter them to be more PvE related.

mr_wazzabi

JackDaniell wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Can we get some pvp action for the build? Maybe show us some pve?

It all sounds good but I would like to see it in action

This is a PTS build so i cant really do much pvp on it, i do however have an older version of this spec that is not as strong. There is over 25 mins of pvp footage starting at the halfway point of this vid!

Wrong vid bro. You just reposted the updated build vid

casparian

It's really cool, but I fear it will lose a ton of weapon damage once the patch goes live, since it relies so much on Infused weapon damage glyphs. Infused glyphs are grossly overpowered and are bound to nerfed in the coming weeks.

runagate

Strangely, I've been using those sets in sub50 pvp on a 2h/frost staff hybrid warden. I was kind of excited for a moment.

xaraan

casparian wrote: »

It's really cool, but I fear it will lose a ton of weapon damage once the patch goes live, since it relies so much on Infused weapon damage glyphs. Infused glyphs are grossly overpowered and are bound to nerfed in the coming weeks.

Yeah, I thought I'd heard it wasn't that it was just OP, but bugged and figuring the totals wrong and ending up making whatever the effect it's amplifying way stronger than it will. Hopefully be fixed by next PTS patch so we can test it as is and see if it really is OP.

I also don't quite understand something on hybrid builds - this isn't for you, just in general comment - why Pelinials? If you are running other sets that are increasing all your stats evenly, then wearing a set to make the higher of two values the same seems unnecessary? Or is there a figure I'm missing in there?

usmcjdking

Lynx7386 wrote: »

What can this setup parse on dummies?

I was able to hit 30k on my sorcerer hybrid build before the offbalance nerfs, which was the peak parse of a hybrid of which I'm familiar with.

This patch he's only seeing 26k due to the offbalance changes.

Next patch (assuming a stam base Hybrid), TBS is looking like it's going to be the winner winner chicken dinner set. It'll be close between shackle and TBS, but Thief mundus brings the abysmally low crit rate up significantly which should result in a higher raid parse than shackle.

Tannus15

usmcjdking wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

What can this setup parse on dummies?

I was able to hit 30k on my sorcerer hybrid build before the offbalance nerfs, which was the peak parse of a hybrid of which I'm familiar with.

This patch he's only seeing 26k due to the offbalance changes.

Next patch (assuming a stam base Hybrid), TBS is looking like it's going to be the winner winner chicken dinner set. It'll be close between shackle and TBS, but Thief mundus brings the abysmally low crit rate up significantly which should result in a higher raid parse than shackle.

why not run pelinial, mechanical acuity and infused weapon damage enchants and warrior mundas?

usmcjdking

xaraan wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

It's really cool, but I fear it will lose a ton of weapon damage once the patch goes live, since it relies so much on Infused weapon damage glyphs. Infused glyphs are grossly overpowered and are bound to nerfed in the coming weeks.

Yeah, I thought I'd heard it wasn't that it was just OP, but bugged and figuring the totals wrong and ending up making whatever the effect it's amplifying way stronger than it will. Hopefully be fixed by next PTS patch so we can test it as is and see if it really is OP.

I also don't quite understand something on hybrid builds - this isn't for you, just in general comment - why Pelinials? If you are running other sets that are increasing all your stats evenly, then wearing a set to make the higher of two values the same seems unnecessary? Or is there a figure I'm missing in there?

The effective weapon power given to the off-attribute is higher than the combined stats given by something like shackle resulting in more reliable skills all the way around instead of reasonably strong primarily skills supported by wildly underperforming off-attribute skills.

On my PVE hybrid effective WP/SP:
Pelinal's 8229/7915
Shackle 8615/5984

xaraan

usmcjdking wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

It's really cool, but I fear it will lose a ton of weapon damage once the patch goes live, since it relies so much on Infused weapon damage glyphs. Infused glyphs are grossly overpowered and are bound to nerfed in the coming weeks.

Yeah, I thought I'd heard it wasn't that it was just OP, but bugged and figuring the totals wrong and ending up making whatever the effect it's amplifying way stronger than it will. Hopefully be fixed by next PTS patch so we can test it as is and see if it really is OP.

I also don't quite understand something on hybrid builds - this isn't for you, just in general comment - why Pelinials? If you are running other sets that are increasing all your stats evenly, then wearing a set to make the higher of two values the same seems unnecessary? Or is there a figure I'm missing in there?

The effective weapon power given to the off-attribute is higher than the combined stats given by something like shackle resulting in more reliable skills all the way around instead of reasonably strong primarily skills supported by wildly underperforming off-attribute skills.

On my PVE hybrid effective WP/SP:
Pelinal's 8229/7915
Shackle 8615/5984

ah, ok, makes sense, I guess I wasn't figuring in the type of armor you are wearing giving one stat the buff vs the other to see what was making one higher and worth raising the other up to

usmcjdking

Tannus15 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

What can this setup parse on dummies?

I was able to hit 30k on my sorcerer hybrid build before the offbalance nerfs, which was the peak parse of a hybrid of which I'm familiar with.

This patch he's only seeing 26k due to the offbalance changes.

Next patch (assuming a stam base Hybrid), TBS is looking like it's going to be the winner winner chicken dinner set. It'll be close between shackle and TBS, but Thief mundus brings the abysmally low crit rate up significantly which should result in a higher raid parse than shackle.

why not run pelinial, mechanical acuity and infused weapon damage enchants and warrior mundas?

Honestly, running mechanical didn't even cross my mind and you are totally right.

But even then outpacing stormfist/zaan + master's daggers is something that mechanical or any other set might not able to do esp with the stat pumping 3pc of agility/willpower.

Hybrid is a lot of fun, it's functional and capable of pulling the required weight and then some more for most endgame content. If anyone is questioning whether it's good enough or not hit me up ingame, I'd be glad to run any 4 man content to display hybrid DPS for ya.

JackDaniell

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Can we get some pvp action for the build? Maybe show us some pve?

It all sounds good but I would like to see it in action

This is a PTS build so i cant really do much pvp on it, i do however have an older version of this spec that is not as strong. There is over 25 mins of pvp footage starting at the halfway point of this vid!

Wrong vid bro. You just reposted the updated build vid

Wow im so sorry. I cant even pretend i dont do these things all the time lol. Heres the actual video with 25 mins of footage!

GallantGuardian

A templar doing more than mediocre damage?... my guess is whatever is doing this good will be nerfed... and probably another nerf to one of our passives and breath of life... then a channel applied to one of our few burst abilities

Just go good measure

JackDaniell

casparian wrote: »

It's really cool, but I fear it will lose a ton of weapon damage once the patch goes live, since it relies so much on Infused weapon damage glyphs. Infused glyphs are grossly overpowered and are bound to nerfed in the coming weeks.

The infused trait is only bugged with certain glyphs, weapon damage is not one of them. As of right now im trading 800 stam for 100 wep damage with the trait so i dont think its overpowered regarding this enchant.

Narvuntien

In a dedicated non-hybrid build you can get 6K weapon damage pretty easily.

I forgot the infused on my back bar when I was doing testing I shoud do that next.

Emma_Overload

casparian wrote: »

It's really cool, but I fear it will lose a ton of weapon damage once the patch goes live, since it relies so much on Infused weapon damage glyphs. Infused glyphs are grossly overpowered and are bound to nerfed in the coming weeks.

They aren't overpowered for weapon damage. They barely give you the same amount of power as the Arcane and Robust traits. The only overpowered situation I've seen is with the potion enchants on an Argonian.

Kadoin

The question is whether ZOS will allow hybrids to gain so much power after the PTS. I hope they do or it will be a real shame. From what I've seen all of the base classes have equally good potential at being a hybrid, and I don't know about anyone else, but the game feels incredibly boring being a pure mag or stam build. The PTS allows variety right now in almost any way you can think of, even on non-hybrid builds. However, just like the last time with the Morrowind PTS, something tells me when it goes live the variety will be killed one way or another. That would be a shame since right now, even classes that have been nerfed to Oblivion are actually able to stand on somewhat equal footing. If they change it, then I can already see the pigeonholing coming back.

mr_wazzabi

@JackDaniell how would this do with Mechanical Acuity instead of Shacklebreaker?

JackDaniell

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

@JackDaniell how would this do with Mechanical Acuity instead of Shacklebreaker?

Acuity (like the new hybrid DOT set) is a good choice for this build to. Pelinals is the really important set here, so you do have options with what you want to pair it with. If you go for acuity make sure to take the crit into account when you set your CP!

I chose shackle because it offered the most max stat to this spec (after the pelinals bonus ofc).

akray21

I'm thinking Engine Guardian might really help this build. Especially on a NB.

Amdar_Godkiller

Strangely enough, I think the removal of sunderflame and NMG's 5 pc is going to be the biggest hybrid buff, but it will require that you avoid using the Warrior mundus. With the lover mundus and the remaining resistance debuffs, you'll be within 1600 spell penetration and physical penetration of the PVE boss cap. So just 17 CP in piercing and elfborn gets you there. Or 1 Kragh plus 1-2 CP in piercing + 17 CP in elfborn. Lover is too huge of a DPS increase to be ignored though for hybrids currently. Only other option would be sharpened weapons and a lot more CP.

Aebaradath

Tannus15 wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

What can this setup parse on dummies?

I was able to hit 30k on my sorcerer hybrid build before the offbalance nerfs, which was the peak parse of a hybrid of which I'm familiar with.

This patch he's only seeing 26k due to the offbalance changes.

Next patch (assuming a stam base Hybrid), TBS is looking like it's going to be the winner winner chicken dinner set. It'll be close between shackle and TBS, but Thief mundus brings the abysmally low crit rate up significantly which should result in a higher raid parse than shackle.

why not run pelinial, mechanical acuity and infused weapon damage enchants and warrior mundas?

Why can't anyone write or say my name right??

Anyway, OT: Awesome build update. Maybe I'll make a Templar now.

JackDaniell

Kadoin wrote: »

The question is whether ZOS will allow hybrids to gain so much power after the PTS. I hope they do or it will be a real shame. From what I've seen all of the base classes have equally good potential at being a hybrid, and I don't know about anyone else, but the game feels incredibly boring being a pure mag or stam build. The PTS allows variety right now in almost any way you can think of, even on non-hybrid builds. However, just like the last time with the Morrowind PTS, something tells me when it goes live the variety will be killed one way or another. That would be a shame since right now, even classes that have been nerfed to Oblivion are actually able to stand on somewhat equal footing. If they change it, then I can already see the pigeonholing coming back.

I highly doubt ZOS will nerf hybrids, they for a few patches now have enjoyed a slow power creep and summerset just allows us to build them better then in the past (like all builds now) so most specs should see a power buff. If you compare the stats on this build to my morrowind hybrid spec, they are only a few hundred regen better essentialy. Pelinals gets a sort of unique buff on its because it can take special advantage of the new infused traits,but outside of this, has no other advantages over other specs when stacking your stats.

Iselin

Nice video @JackDaniell

I keep meaning to do a Pelinals hybrid. They look like a helluva lot of fun.

Just curious... what abilities would you use for a Pelinal Sorc?