Nightblade Tanking - Hopefully it can be a thing.

leendertp1

RavenSworn wrote: »

siphoning strikes / leeching strikes has to have their cost swapped. I would love for it to revert back pre morrowind but I doubt that'll happen.

This would be amazing. I didn't even ask because I think there is no chance. That's why i asked for resource return on direct damage, imagine how nice it would be getting some stam back while spamming sap essence.

leendertp1

xaraan wrote: »

They will definitely be a better spot for average tanking. Looking at it from my PoV for end game raiding, they still don't offer enough... it seems. I'd like to test it more thoroughly but probably won't be able to until live. But concerned about the 3 second HoT their self heal has on whether it will be enough for vHM MoL when Rhakkat does his gattling gun move or when the Warrior in vHM Hel-Ra does his thousand cuts.

In a lot of other content that type of heal will be enough, but I find that I often spam dragon's blood while getting heals on an argonian (with healing in bonuses) and other bonuses for healing and still need that self heal during those times - even while guarded. So in the end, it's fun to mess with my other tanks, but no other class still comes close to replacing my go-to DK for tanking.

I love tanking on my DK and my Warden and the nightblade on live is fine, but as you say not in the same league. There is no reason the dark cloak heal shouldn't be as good as green dragon blood, its a class skill. I don't think realistically the NB will rival DK's it would just be great if it isn't a huge deal that its a NB instead of a DK.

leendertp1

RavenSworn wrote: »

Alot of players here talk about endgame trials, endgame dungeon... What about starting players? What about players progressing to the cp stage? Changes shouldn't be just for endgame, it should be for all aspects of the game.

Same goes with pvp vs pve. ZoS won't change their ways to divide the two, they want you to play both. So the changes have to impact both playstyles positively, be it a nerf or buff.

I think the heal change and the resource changes above would be more important for lower CP players than experienced players. Resources are harder to manage earlier and you are going to have more panic moments where it would be great to spam a heal.

leendertp1

Some Stuff:



There are my stats with no buffs. With Major and Minor Resolve and Bloodspawn I'm at about 30k resists.





The gear.

So I pulled the first 3 packs in vRom and killed them to see how much Major Force and Off-balance I could get solo.



So the fight took me about 7 minutes. Was never really that scary. But you can see 29% Major Force uptime. You can see the resists there too. Maybe they're a bit low.



Off balance uptime at 22%. Pretty decent for just the tactician passive.



Just wanted to show that too. Stam management was fine really. Even with 2k mag regen, I ran out of magicka more than stamina.

Mannox

I've been tanking all content on my main, a stage 4 vampire Imperial NB, since the game came out. If you thought NB tanking was bad now you don't know the trouble I seen. NB tanking is quite viable for endgame vHM content. I think it is straight up silly for anyone to claim it is weak, pointless and sub par. Or to insinuate that. However, some facts are just true. NBs do not have the same buff spread as other class tanks do. We get some and we can be quite excellent off-healers while tanking. (I've saved countless dungeon and trial runs with healing while tanking). DPS while tanking is about the same as other classes I'd say. Of the original ones I have played and can compare it to. Not including Warden. Improving NB tanking is a good idea but I really think it only needs to be lateral. A better buff spread or debuff spread would be nice. I'm hoping to test out new aoe Maim from shade. If the up-time is good I would like to replace Heroic Slash with another Shadow ability on my bar.

Beardimus

leendertp1 wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

The only reason i'd say yes to NB Tanking is it will lead to Blade nerf's which they need.

the abomination of sorc tank changes are unwanted by me for sure!

Lol, that's the spirit...

Well it will give the TankBlades what they want, like they have SorcTanks just at the expense of DD.

Maybe cloak reduces your damage by 50% but helps reduce block cost

leendertp1

draekab14_ESO wrote: »

I've been tanking all content on my main, a stage 4 vampire Imperial NB, since the game came out. If you thought NB tanking was bad now you don't know the trouble I seen. NB tanking is quite viable for endgame vHM content. I think it is straight up silly for anyone to claim it is weak, pointless and sub par. Or to insinuate that. However, some facts are just true. NBs do not have the same buff spread as other class tanks do. We get some and we can be quite excellent off-healers while tanking. (I've saved countless dungeon and trial runs with healing while tanking). DPS while tanking is about the same as other classes I'd say. Of the original ones I have played and can compare it to. Not including Warden. Improving NB tanking is a good idea but I really think it only needs to be lateral. A better buff spread or debuff spread would be nice. I'm hoping to test out new aoe Maim from shade. If the up-time is good I would like to replace Heroic Slash with another Shadow ability on my bar.

I don't think anyone said they were bad, just not as good. Difficulty I am having with shades is the aoe minor maim doesn't really help and you lose the minor heroism.

ccfeeling

draekab14_ESO wrote: »

I've been tanking all content on my main, a stage 4 vampire Imperial NB, since the game came out. If you thought NB tanking was bad now you don't know the trouble I seen. NB tanking is quite viable for endgame vHM content. I think it is straight up silly for anyone to claim it is weak, pointless and sub par. Or to insinuate that. However, some facts are just true. NBs do not have the same buff spread as other class tanks do. We get some and we can be quite excellent off-healers while tanking. (I've saved countless dungeon and trial runs with healing while tanking). DPS while tanking is about the same as other classes I'd say. Of the original ones I have played and can compare it to. Not including Warden. Improving NB tanking is a good idea but I really think it only needs to be lateral. A better buff spread or debuff spread would be nice. I'm hoping to test out new aoe Maim from shade. If the up-time is good I would like to replace Heroic Slash with another Shadow ability on my bar.

Can u share some youtubes with your NB tank?
Vmol, Vhof, Vas, HM versions, thanks!

I need a tutor likes u!

Brrrofski

Not sure what will change next patch from now. Funnel cost is annoying but I reckon It'll be sustainable.

I honestly don't think I'll slot cloak heal. Funnel, path and sap is plenty of healing. I also run bats on mine.

Yes, I have it as a selfish tank, but I mainly use it for pugging the pledges. It pulls 15k does - so more than the average pug DD. For that purpose, saptank is very, very effective.

RavenSworn

leendertp1 wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

siphoning strikes / leeching strikes has to have their cost swapped. I would love for it to revert back pre morrowind but I doubt that'll happen.

This would be amazing. I didn't even ask because I think there is no chance. That's why i asked for resource return on direct damage, imagine how nice it would be getting some stam back while spamming sap essence.

That was pre-morrowind, that skill alone was the reason why we were kings of resource management.

I see this suggestion as something that can help nb in all aspect, from tanking, to healing to dps.

There is a trend for each class's resource returns. You see the DKs having returns instantly via their ultimate, you see Templar with high recovery rates, sorcs have instant resource exchange while nbs have delayed returns. Take a look at debilitate and leeching/siphoning strikes. It's delayed returns, it shows that ZoS wants us to play the proactive tank, rather than being reactive, like the DK.