Please delete magicka warden if you won't buff them

MLGProPlayer

Selling such an underpowered class is unethical. You're selling people a substandard product. Nobody wants P2W, but magicka warden is P2L. Please fix this class. It's been 12 months of being useless in PvE, and now they're useless in PvP too.

Hutch679

Terrible changes to mag warden. Maybe next year.

stileanima

I've posted this in another thread already, but this is from round 1 of PTS testing:



Damage is definitely not bad at all, and with this build it actually does provide some nice utility (granted, this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself which is something that I wish were not the case). Let's wait and see what other changes will come in future PTS cycles before shoving mag wardens aside completely.

Turelus

I won't debate the fact that Magicka Wardens are in a bad place and need some love but... please don't take our characters away because of it. No deletes!

Torbschka

stileanima wrote: »

I've posted this in another thread already, but this is from round 1 of PTS testing:



Damage is definitely not bad at all, and with this build it actually does provide some nice utility (granted, this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself which is something that I wish were not the case). Let's wait and see what other changes will come in future PTS cycles before shoving mag wardens aside completely.

The thing with such parses is, that is the overall buff to la + staves instead of class.

Furthermore, regarding pvp, they are done.

Mureel

stileanima wrote: »

I've posted this in another thread already, but this is from round 1 of PTS testing:



Damage is definitely not bad at all, and with this build it actually does provide some nice utility (granted, this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself which is something that I wish were not the case). Let's wait and see what other changes will come in future PTS cycles before shoving mag wardens aside completely.

What gear is that and is there a rotation or full build video? xD

ascan7

At least i'd like a buff to the bear. The eternal guardian morph is useless, if the bear dies you cast the skill again, what's the point? Make the magicka morph useful, give an aoe component to it for example.

The_Lex

I generally don't gripe about classes, whether over or under performing. In this case, however, I might make an exception. I have been kicking around deleting my magden but decided against it in the hopes of seeing some pve dps buffs in the patch. And by buff, I mean class buff, not weapon/light attack buffs.

I am still hopeful, but not holding my breath.

jypcy

@stileanima have you unlocked the Psijic skill line? I’ve heard elemental weapon is either difficult to weave or broken atm, but it definitely seems to have the potential of becoming a new spammable if that’s resolved. Plus it gets buffed by warden passives, so you might be able to parse higher with it than force pulse if you can get the animation right (and it would open up a monster set/another 5pc bonus if you’re using a perfected destro rn).
Also curious what you’re parsing with to get 100% major resolve/ward uptime haha

Joy_Division

stileanima wrote: »

I've posted this in another thread already, but this is from round 1 of PTS testing:



Damage is definitely not bad at all, and with this build it actually does provide some nice utility (granted, this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself which is something that I wish were not the case). Let's wait and see what other changes will come in future PTS cycles before shoving mag wardens aside completely.

A big problem with Wardens and ESO in general is that everybody has a different definition of "balance."

Speaking for myself, I could not really care less if Wardens did 10K more on a parse than every other spec in the game because I am not an end-game PVE DPS raider. That target dummy parse has zero bearing on my enjoyment and fulfillment of the class. I care about can I hop into PvP and actually score a kill against an opponent who is roughly the same level of skill and experience as me. And for some people, they won't care at all about Cyrodiil because they never set foot there. It's hard to balance

Even on Live, I find in PvP it's a difficult proposition and my magicka warden crutches on one skill that is far stronger than any other class skill, Shimmering Shield. This class only had 4 damage skills: they have to be versatile and multi-functioned in order for them to afford the magicka Wardens the number of options other classes have. They're not. All the Warden gets from them is a stun, and that is going away next patch. No execute, no CC, no damage skills with secondary functions, limited options of attack, ok this works against a target dummy, but how am I going to kill anyone who is halfway decent in cyrodiil?

Even if the PvE sphere (which I do take part in) the guarded optimism is tempered by saying something that absolutely drives me nuts in how ESO has developed: "this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself". I really dislike how our characters and classes have become defined by stuff that's NOT in our class kit. Why roll a Warden if what your bringing to the table is accessible from a more versatile class that can actually kill other people in PvP? So, for me anyway, there's a lot of disappointment for this update and that's not necessarily something that a DPS parse is going to soften the blow

stileanima

Joy_Division wrote: »

stileanima wrote: »

I've posted this in another thread already, but this is from round 1 of PTS testing:



Damage is definitely not bad at all, and with this build it actually does provide some nice utility (granted, this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself which is something that I wish were not the case). Let's wait and see what other changes will come in future PTS cycles before shoving mag wardens aside completely.

A big problem with Wardens and ESO in general is that everybody has a different definition of "balance."

Speaking for myself, I could not really care less if Wardens did 10K more on a parse than every other spec in the game because I am not an end-game PVE DPS raider. That target dummy parse has zero bearing on my enjoyment and fulfillment of the class. I care about can I hop into PvP and actually score a kill against an opponent who is roughly the same level of skill and experience as me.

Even on Live, that's a difficult proposition and my magicka warden crutches on one skill that is far stronger than any other class skill, Shimmering Shield. This class only had 4 damage skills: they have to be versatile and multi-functioned in order for them to afford the magicka Wardens the number of options other classes have. They're not. All the Warden gets from them is a stun, and that is going away next patch. No execute, no CC, no damage skills with secondary functions, limited options of attack, ok this works against a target dummy, but how am I going to kill anyone who is halfway decent in cyrodiil?

And even you are qualifying your guarded optimism by saying something that absolutely drives me nuts in how ESO has developed: "this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself". I really dislike how our characters and classes have become defined by stuff that's NOT in our class kit. Why roll a Warden if what your bringing to the table is accessible from a more versatile class that can actually kill other people in PvP?

I agree with you completely about Warden balance concepts, and also hope for some (in my opinion, much needed) changes. Concerning PVE specifically, I'd like to see the class provide some unique utility rather than having to slot specific pieces of gear to bring something valuable to raiding group comp. I was posting only to say that Magicka Warden PVE DPS isn't horrible currently.

Ludof

Magden are crap now compared to all the others, in both PvE and PvP.

Use sorc for PvP, 1000 times easier and stronger...

Dasovaruilos

stileanima wrote: »

I've posted this in another thread already, but this is from round 1 of PTS testing:



Damage is definitely not bad at all, and with this build it actually does provide some nice utility (granted, this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself which is something that I wish were not the case). Let's wait and see what other changes will come in future PTS cycles before shoving mag wardens aside completely.

That is an awesome parse, but it has to be kept in perspective.

There are already parses reaching 51k, 52k with other classes on PTS... And you used the Bear in this one. Take the bear out, like you likely would in a trial, and your DPS will go back to being WAY behind other classes.

This huge number is probably just because of the light attack scaling.

MLGProPlayer

stileanima wrote: »

I've posted this in another thread already, but this is from round 1 of PTS testing:



Damage is definitely not bad at all, and with this build it actually does provide some nice utility (granted, this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself which is something that I wish were not the case). Let's wait and see what other changes will come in future PTS cycles before shoving mag wardens aside completely.

Awesome parse as usual, but sadly, every other class got these same buffs. They're parsing even higher, and with destro ultimate equipped.

Aebaradath

Hutch679 wrote: »

Terrible changes to mag warden. Maybe next year.

At this rate, more like never.

I haven't seen a magDen in a loooooooooooong time now.

Joy_Division

stileanima wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

stileanima wrote: »

I've posted this in another thread already, but this is from round 1 of PTS testing:



Damage is definitely not bad at all, and with this build it actually does provide some nice utility (granted, this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself which is something that I wish were not the case). Let's wait and see what other changes will come in future PTS cycles before shoving mag wardens aside completely.

A big problem with Wardens and ESO in general is that everybody has a different definition of "balance."

Speaking for myself, I could not really care less if Wardens did 10K more on a parse than every other spec in the game because I am not an end-game PVE DPS raider. That target dummy parse has zero bearing on my enjoyment and fulfillment of the class. I care about can I hop into PvP and actually score a kill against an opponent who is roughly the same level of skill and experience as me.

Even on Live, that's a difficult proposition and my magicka warden crutches on one skill that is far stronger than any other class skill, Shimmering Shield. This class only had 4 damage skills: they have to be versatile and multi-functioned in order for them to afford the magicka Wardens the number of options other classes have. They're not. All the Warden gets from them is a stun, and that is going away next patch. No execute, no CC, no damage skills with secondary functions, limited options of attack, ok this works against a target dummy, but how am I going to kill anyone who is halfway decent in cyrodiil?

And even you are qualifying your guarded optimism by saying something that absolutely drives me nuts in how ESO has developed: "this utility comes from skills and gear choices alone rather than from the class itself". I really dislike how our characters and classes have become defined by stuff that's NOT in our class kit. Why roll a Warden if what your bringing to the table is accessible from a more versatile class that can actually kill other people in PvP?

I agree with you completely about Warden balance concepts, and also hope for some (in my opinion, much needed) changes. Concerning PVE specifically, I'd like to see the class provide some unique utility rather than having to slot specific pieces of gear to bring something valuable to raiding group comp. I was posting only to say that Magicka Warden PVE DPS isn't horrible currently.

Yep. Looking over my post, it's conveying a tone I had no intention of conveying. My apologies

Torbschka

I know I sound like a troll, but if this goes live (not only for wardens, there are many good and balanced, thoughtout suggestions for other class es) I'll quit / have a break.

Its not about "nerfing" my class, its about they just dont have a clue how to make classes intetesting/unique, while honestly, all they would habe to do is taking a look in the Forums and take the "1 best idea" for each class ...